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I've timed this to go out at midday AEDT and I'll try keep it active until the referendum is called sometime tonight.
Carp aevann pls pin, but if they don't I'm gonna use my limited coins to pin it myself when something happens.
- Sneed- Marcia Langton says reconciliation is dead
- News- last minute Newspoll shows Yes gain by 3 points (still losing tho)
- Sneed- Dutton is literally drumpfh
- Sneed- "Once again, it seems only white men know what's best for Aboriginal peoples"
Anyway, how was voting (if you're doing it on the day)? What result are you expecting? What result do you want?
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I just finished voting #No
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Fingers crossed for dramatics.
Because I got drama blueballs and I might just explode if today fizzles.
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I honestly wish it was closer- the drama if it won the majority vote but lost on states would've been incredible
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Will the results be out tonight?
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The ABC reckoned they'll be able to call it pretty quickly tonight if it's solidly Nobro, because it should become clear pretty quickly that at least 3 states are voting No
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Apparently half the country early-voted so we might find out pretty quickly.
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Does the NT count as a state for this purpose? Also how are the outside territories and other hellholes Australia owns, like Christmas Island, count?
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NT, ACT and all the other random little territories count for the general population count but not the state count
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Is Lord Howe Island a territory or just part of a state?
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Part of NSW apparently
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Oh yeah I would love the,
'THIS IS WHY WE NEED TO BANISH THE
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Sometimes I just upmarsey a comment because I like the gif with it.
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After you've been edging me for months I'm really excited for this. Looking forward to the seethe tomorrow (even if the polls are wrong and it's dramatards seething)
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It's the good thing about all this imo, literally every result is dramatic. No landslide? Yessisters decide they hate Australia. It's close? Seethe from all corners. Yes victory? Total dramatard death.
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No matter who wins we can all laugh at Australia.
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can someone explain what this whole drama is about, been hard to get a straight answer even on here
something about abbos and money?
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Here's a post of mine from a couple months ago, it's a bit out of date but it's the best I can do at a pinch
https://rdrama.net/post/197227/platyaboriginalvoiceposting-effortpostplatyaboriginal-full-explanation-of-the
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nice write up thank you!
so the biggest controversy, if you actually read into it seems to be whether or not this council will come with some giant gib scam by leftoids
yall really aren't that different than us in some ways
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Yep pretty much lol
The problem is that the leftoids absolutely want to do the gibs and absolutely want to use the Voice to lobby for gibs, but they know the gibs are incredibly unpopular so they're essentially stuck with arguing "this referendum isn't about the gibs" ad nauseam
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hide behind MUH RACISM is a classic tactic. lets see how it plays out for them
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Public shaming so rarely affects private behaviour, and no one can verify what you do in the voting booth.
Real life is not Twitter/reddit/ social media, it's amazing how many people and organisations don't get that.
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Yeah and it's probably the main reason why people are voting No. While they cannot just shotgun through legislation on their own it's pretty likely that reparations and other rackets (like having to have a permit for an abbo to inspect your land so you don't disturb holy rocks before you can make improvements on it, at your cost of course) will be proposed at some point.
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Abos need a voice in the Australian Government according to white people. You may think, "Wait, abos can't vote?" And the answer is yes, of course they can. So what does giving them a voice actually mean? No one knows, but it's a good thing and you're a racist if you keep asking questions.
That's the summary of all of the Internet discussions
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So if they can vote, and presumably they're also allowed to run for office do they not already have a voice?
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Wow. Racist.
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They have a voice but they don't have a Voice. Part of the yes campaign is literally this play on words, where they say aboriginals have never had a Voice and it's technically true because they've never had race-exclusive representative body called a "Voice" but it's supposed to create the false impression that they have less of a figurative voice in politics than any other individual.
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Yes but right now it's just a general "australian" voice
They need a special "abo" voice
Real apartheid has never been tried
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Something to do with the peoples choices and voices act or someshit like that
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you mean that one side is good and correct and the other side is evil and wrong? yep i totally see what you're talking about, thanks for clearing that up
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So bascially,
Theres a referendum about enshrining an aboriginal advisory body into the constitution today. Many aboriginal advisory bodies have been tried before but have all been ineffective (and thats not to mention other moneypit projects aiming to help aboriginals that didn't do much). The proposed constitutional amendment is limited in scope, pretty much only saying that there needs to be a voice, that the voice can advise parliament and that parliament has power to change it's composition, procedures and powers. No draft legislation has been released and the prime minister has not explicitly supported any proposed models such as the one proposed in the calma-langton report. Both yes and no have had pretty abysmal campaigns, although yes in particular has been particularly garbage as the official government messaging has been "vote yes because it'll make you feel good". i wish i was joking.
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Arent there bigger things to worry about than this homosexual voice thing. Like abos being r-slurs or the economy etc.
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To add, it's the first constitutional referendum in 24 years, so there's a bit of media buzz about it.
The people don't GAF though, and the enthusiasm gap is highly entertaining.
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Adding to others' answers, the Voice is part of a package of reforms that indigenous rights groups have been pushing for: Voice (race-exclusive shadow parliament) Treaty (land and money gibs that can't be undone by future governments) and Truth (self-flagellation about bad stuff a bunch of long dead Bri'ish people did). It's very obvious that if the Voice is established, it creates momentum for the other two things.
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A treaty would be nice, if only to shut up the 'never ceded' bullshit.
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Inb4 [losing side] calls the referendum rigged
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The YESsisters can't because even the most biased polls have been leaning towards them losing. NOchuds would have an absolute meltdown though, especially the bettors.
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there have been a lot of yessisters saying that "akshually polling is inaccurate and it's only boomers answering and basically yes will get 100% of votes and states". that said, they're probably not gonna say the referendum is rigged, they're probably gonna go for the angle that 60-70% of the population is racist
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Are they really trying to say that polls lean rightoid?
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Bettors?
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I voted last week. Have fun standing in line, chumps!
My predictions:
1. 40-60 split in favour of NO
2. Tassie is the only state to vote YES, everyone else votes NO (Victoria is a MAYBE).
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The white guilt in Tasmania must be insane considering what happened to all the aboriginals there.
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Or maybe it's lessened by not having any of them around to remind them? I mean, I doubt it but it would be convenient.
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Didn't Tasmania delete all their aboriginals as well?
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Yeah, it's pretty much the most successful genocide in history. The only "Tasmanian Aboriginals" around are generally mayos like Bruce Pascoe who claim it because it's impossible to disprove
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that's an extremely white looking guy
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There was a very long queue when I went, but only for out of electorate voters so I got to skip it.
More No people than Yes people outside, which surprised me. Also a pair of fully costumed goths, at cosplay levels with completely painted faces even.
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signage everywhere around the place to vote yes, lots of boomers wearing aboriginal print shirts. nobody there mentioning 'no'
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At one of my local polling centres, I was handed a "Vote No" flyer by a young Asian woman
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Wife her
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I also had a No flyer handed to me by an Asian woman last week. Not young though.
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Can you set me up with her?
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tend to be politically conservative unless they grow up surrounded by in e.g. California/NYC (Sydney might be your comparison?). Presumably because they are .
Here in the most of the women I meet love former president Duterte because he (literally killed) the and .
In they are super easily turned into if you show them the crime rates or bring up college admission discrimination against Asians.
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Dutertardism ravaged the rural Philippines like HRT did to nerd communities.
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I had a nice chat with an old lady handing out 'Yes' pamphlets. She said I was nice to talk to after all the _mean_ things 'No' voters said to her. I didn't tell her I was going to vote 'No'.
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that was very nice of you to not crush her spirit after being polite
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You should have very politely told her that you respect her position and her fighting for it but you've still got to go no.
I'm really good at this when I'm at exactly the right blood alcohol level to be bold but not enough that I have to be too honest.
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also today
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What's this poll?
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https://www.bluebet.com.au/sports/Politics/142/Australian-Referendums/The-Voice-Referendum/The-Voice-Referendum/1192045/All-Markets
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I put $400 into No when it was 1.8 a few months back. Will be eating good.
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zingas life
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What is that trying to say?
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What are YOU trying to say? Hmmm.
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I don't know, I just couldn't understand that title
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The best I can do on mobile.
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In the grizzly darkness of the far future, there is only moid seethe.
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Those look like Russia's Snow Asians than aboriginals though
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They're Eskimos! I thought they would easier on the eye!
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Keep us updated!
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QLD, WA, NT average high-70% No I reckon, maybe pass 80.
VIC, NSW, TAS, ACT average 64% No.
SA roughly in line with national vote, so ~71% No.
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Thank God ACT doesn't count toward the states total.
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They shouldn't be allowed to vote at all
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Is WA chuddy? I know nothing about it.
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