From an article, pasted below for YOUR convenience
“The National Park Service proposes to rehabilitate Welcome Park to provide a more welcoming, accurate, and inclusive experience for visitors,” a January 5 press release from the Park Service says, asking the public for input on the “proposed design for the rehabilitation of Welcome Park.”
The plan has received some criticism online.
According to US History.org, Penn “founded the Province of Pennsylvania, the British North American colony that became the U.S. state of Pennsylvania.” The site adds of Penn: “The democratic principles that he set forth served as an inspiration for the United States Constitution.”
According to US History.org, Penn became a Quaker, a group that “refused to bow or take off their hats to any man, and refused to take up arms.”
“William Penn was an English Quaker best known for founding the colony of Pennsylvania as a place for religious freedom in America,” Biography.com reports.
What is Welcome Park? According to the Cultural Landscape Foundation, “Situated in East Philadelphia close to the Delaware River, the plaza was conceived as an ‘open air' museum by Venturi, Scott Brown and Associates. The project is the only site in the city dedicated to interpreting the life and ideas of its founder, William Penn.”
Here's what you need to know:
According to the National Park Service's press release, Welcome Park “was designed by the internationally acclaimed design firm Venturi & Scott Brown Associates. The park is located on the site of William Penn's home, the Slate Roof House, and is named for the ship, Welcome, which transported Penn to Philadelphia. The design and construction of Welcome Park was funded by the Independence Historical Trust and was completed in 1982.”
The park service release explains:
The proposed rehabilitation of Welcome Park includes expanded interpretation of the Native American history of Philadelphia and was developed in consultation with representatives of the indigenous nations of the Haudenosaunee, the Delaware Nation, Delaware Tribe of Indians, the Shawnee Tribe, and the Eastern Shawnee Tribe of Oklahoma. The reimagined Welcome Park maintains certain aspects of the original design such as the street grid, the rivers and the east wall while adding a new planted buffer on three sides, and a ceremonial gathering space with circular benches. The Penn statue and Slate Roof house model will be removed and not reinstalled. In a separate and future effort, new exhibit panels will be installed on the south site wall to replace the Penn timeline.
The public “is invited to submit comments on this proposed design for the rehabilitation of Welcome Park for a 14-day period from January 8th – 21st, 2024 through the National Park Service's Planning, Environment and Public Comment (PEPC) at https://parkplanning.nps.gov. Comments submitted through social media, phone calls, email or mail will not be accepted. All public comments must be received through PEPC by midnight Sunday, January 21st, 2024,” the release said.
The Cultural Landscape Foundation explains of Welcome Park:
Comissioned by the Friends of Independence Mall National Historic Park and opened in 1982, the design is laid out as a giant map of the original grid-iron street plan of Philadelphia constructed atop a marble ground plane. It includes miniature representations of significant features related to Penn, including the City Hall statue and his original slate-roof house. Within the plan, individual trees mark the four historic squares that were part of Penn's original utopian plan of 1683.
The park is enclosed by two perimeter walls which are primed with a chronological, interpretive narrative that provides a biography of Penn. His farewell address to the city is engraved on the base of the statue model.
Penn is so closely associated with Philadelphia that a statue of Penn stands on top of City Hall.
Penn “was the son of an admiral and landowner, and he was educated in theology and the law,” Biography.com reports.
According to that site, Penn “was jailed several times for his resistance to the Church of England,” and in 1681, “he received a royal charter to form a new colony in America, to be named Pennsylvania; he envisioned this territory as a peaceful refuge for members of all religious beliefs.”
In the newly named Pennsylvania, Penn formed “the new colony's government, writing its constitution, distributing land to settlers and establishing positive, peaceful relations with the local Indians,” according to Biography.com.
He eventually returned to England, the site reports. According to a biography of Penn on Pennsbury Manor's website, “Penn also navigated a peaceful relationship with the Lenape (Native Americans) in the area. Paying for land, inclusion in the jury system, and learning their language were just a few of the ways Penn approached and solicited the cooperation of the Lenape.”
According to US History.org, “Welcome Park is named for William Penn's ship, the Welcome.”
TLDR:
“The National Park Service proposes to rehabilitate Welcome Park to provide a more welcoming, accurate, and inclusive experience for visitors,” a January 5 press release from the Park Service says, asking the public for input on the “proposed design for the rehabilitation of Welcome Park.”
The park is located on the site of William Penn's home, the Slate Roof House, and is named for the ship, Welcome, which transported Penn to Philadelphia.
The proposed rehabilitation of Welcome Park includes expanded interpretation of the Native American history of Philadelphia and was developed in consultation with representatives of the indigenous nations of the Haudenosaunee, the Delaware Nation, Delaware Tribe of Indians, the Shawnee Tribe, and the Eastern Shawnee Tribe of Oklahoma. The reimagined Welcome Park maintains certain aspects of the original design such as the street grid, the rivers and the east wall while adding a new planted buffer on three sides, and a ceremonial gathering space with circular benches. The Penn statue and Slate Roof house model will be removed and not reinstalled. In a separate and future effort, new exhibit panels will be installed on the south site wall to replace the Penn timeline.
So basically they're removing the a statue and biography of the founder of their city on the site of his house to put more recognition of Native Americans lmao And this guy was a Quaker, who were basically the turbolibs of their day. Staunch pacifists and always at the forefront of antislavery groups and progressive political causes.
on dot lose are not happy
Before any one claims slavery, Penn was a Quaker. The Quakers were against slavery.
That's right crakkka now step into the gas chamber
Another subthread under the top comment, no idea what they're talking about here. Acquitted for what? Any Penncels want to weigh in?
can't stop thinking about big, black...booty!?
ON TO REDDIT
I found a thread in /r/philadelphia to get a fair and balanced opinion, surely the redditors are supporting this full-throatedly?
I didn't realize that genocide was fine if the population was deemed small enough.
lol what? they're renovating it. sorry for reminding you we live on genocided land.
This is so funny to me, turns out Philly was NOT founded on the ashes of a thriving native metropolis, but because they kind of generally lived in the area, this guy was a genocidemaxxxer and evil
Not that we like the guy but trump literally warned of exactly this
These chuds were upmarseyd! And the first guy has a "rittenhouse" flair. I assume its a suburb or neighborhood in Philadelphia, but it's still funny.
Also, this starts a long fight under a subthread, which I'm too lazy to reproduce here, but here is the link to beginning
The 1980s were 40 years ago already.
There was a time Trajan's Column was new construction.
One Redditor has already given up this battle and gone onto the next one:
Maybe we should start thinking of a new name for "Pennsylvania."
Hoagieville
Jawnson Town
Yinzers! Go shit up this thread with Western Pennsylvania slang
!chuds another statue being taken down, this time its actually NOT a Confederatecel who had no business being there in the first place
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Literally insane
His post history:
https://old.reddit.com/user/Kynykya4211/?sort=controversial
Found some more people:
“Calling the reason our country exists a bad thing is good, chud! You should really care about THE RIGHT NOT LETTING ME TELL KIDS THEY CAN CUT THEIR PEEPEE OFF!”
Wingcucks fighting
someone brings up arligton
Its funny how youre not supposed to put up statues of traitors… except if they wore feathers and attacked women and children and the government for being “settlers”
B-word half the texts you endorse say George Washington fought the British to keep slavery. this guy is saying if your citizens were forced to fight for their government, if the leaders had the “wrong intentions” youre not allowed to honor the people forced to slaughter and by slaughtered by their own people
Also its funny how the guy claims that the statue doesnt honor black soldiers while having a slave in the statue. If anything it's claiming the confederates were wholesome chungus diversity globohomo
https://old.reddit.com/user/oliver_babish/?sort=controversial
This guy has 200 k karma and has been a redditor for ten years
People start to justify it by appealing to Quaker ideology that they are spitting on
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Also Arlington was the estate of Robert E Lee's wife, and the Supreme Court ruled that the feds had seized it illegally. The Lee family, once vindicated, then sold the property to the government for a nominal sum as a gesture of reconciliation. Wish the progressives had half as much class.
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Lincoln was also really good at managing the North's reaction after the war. He famously told the Confederate soldiers after the war to go home and for no one to take their weapons or horses off of them. He wanted the country to rebuild as quickly as possible without slavery which unfortunately the South was kinda ungrateful during the Reconstruction era but w/e
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Some redditors finally realising the slippery slope is real.
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Did you just make an argument making use of cause and effect? Nice slippery slope r-slur
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Slippery slope has always been about shifting Overton window.
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First off, never say overton window on threads I may go on. Its a stupid phrase and I don't want to see it.
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Overdone window
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overton window overton window overton window
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What's second off?
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Notice how after a child gets their polio vaccine they immediately stop questioning the 6 million?
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Classic AHS post where they claim PCM is a hate sub because they are "pushing the Overton window to the right by misrepresenting Denmark"
Bonus tears about the quickly failed PCM marsey verse site
https://old.reddit.com/r/AgainstHateSubreddits/comments/pir6jz/pcm_is_ramping_up_the_farright_propaganda_and
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Take that Overton shit back to reddit.
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okay
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You too!
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Slippery slope has always been about slipping
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Im sure the pendulum is going to swing back any minute now
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SLIPPERY SLOPE IS A FALLACY CHUD ALSO WHY DO THESE THINGS KEEP HAPPENING
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Lmao those tribes have absolutely no ties to what is now Philadelphia, it's like consulting the Cheyenne on culturally sensitive works in downtown Chicago.
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Internalised nativemisia
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Stop saying that they're in the wrong
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except for the fact they actually all did live in Pennsylvania before they were forced out and into Oklahoma
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No mention of Shawnee or Iroquoids outside of the occasional, mayoid led, fur trade transaction.
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Internalised nativemisia
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The Shawnee Tribe is an Eastern Woodland tribe. They originally came from Ohio and Pennsylvania, and were the last of the Shawnee to leave their traditional homelands there.[4] In the late 18th century, European American encroachment crowded Shawnee lands in the East, and one band migrated to Missouri
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They're not from Philadelphia and barely lived in Pennsylvania at all so
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Also most Native American place names sound kinda r-slurred (mostly because linguists decide on horrible orthographies ) but Zuyd and Lënapei Sipu go hard, makes it look like a weird combination Dutch, Inca and Finnish
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Cute marsey
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Literally what? Can we get but for rightoids like executing every single living democrat?
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The dems deserve it tho
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Any politician that has ever been in favor of a single dollar in foreign aid or in favor of allowing any third world immigration deserves it but that's like all of them lol
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give the and republicans and independents the mars attacks treatment
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ACK ACK ACK
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I think that film is when we learned that Tim Burton was losing his touch.
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Implying he ever had touch
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Guy was a kino machine for a bit there.
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After watching the Beetlejuice live play, went and rewatched the movie for the first time in probably 20 years.
I didn't realize everything just sorta... happens. Beetlejuice barely shows up and all the scenes you remember happen in the last 15 minutes. No huge buildup. No real explanation for anything happening.
Honestly the play was better. You understood more what the characters motivations were beyond "principal rooney wants to relax"
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I'm willing to entertain them being exhumed and tried as well. I don't believe in restricting the law to the living.
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I knew this shit was going to get out of control when they said this was about the Confedates, not destroying our culture. Two weeks later they wanted a Stephen Foster statue torn down.
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Why?
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Because he used the bipoc bomb in the second verse of "Oh Susannah".
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well It wasn't just an N bomb, it was a verse about 500 "BIPOCs" being electrocuted by telegraph wire
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Really?
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I jumped aboard de telegraph,
And trabbled down de riber,
De lectric fluid magnified,
And killed five hundred BIPOC.
De bullgine bust, de horse run off,
I realy thought I'd die;
I shut my eyes to hold my breath,
Susanna, don't you cry.
Cho: Oh! Susanna &c.
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!chuds, Burger Land has fallen.
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I thought this was a joke
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found the incel
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Why would he say bipoc, it doesnt even rhyme with riber
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"riber" probably sounds like "river" so it's a slant rhyme with "BIPOC."
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/r/whoosh
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Kino
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He literally said there were no Lenape anywhere near the center of Philadelphia, if not for miles. And the Lenape didn't have their land stolen by Pennsylvania much genocided, they signed what is the most plainly stated treaties that inarguably recognized without any doubt that the land in and around Philadelphia belonged to Penn and his descendants whether by cession and sale or by it being their by habitation omg
Also Pennsylvania is historically considered to be the only state that unambiguously got all of its land by legitimate and moral means so when ever someone says any land is stolen, it's not
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um bipocs and natives can't consent to any of whitey's devil contracts; they were written in bad faith.
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There's my Native American history sperg!
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Sorry chud, the generational trauma and lived experience of BIPOCs says otherwise
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Internalised nativemisia
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Internalized malayphobia
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But I like Malays unlike you who hate natives
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But I don't?
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But I'm not
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@X no I'm not
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Chudded for hating natives.
Also @VEGETA @A we need a pro native american phrase for the chud award
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I DON'T HATE INDIANS
@Sphereserf3232 FULLY BELIEVE THAT WHITE EXTINCTION IS LONG OVERDUE BUT NATIVE AMERICANS ARE MAYO ADJACENT YET STILL PUT OUT SOME OF THE MOST BLATANT AND UNIRONIC FASCISM OF ANY ETHNIC GROUP IN THE WORLD DESPITE THE PRIVILEGES THEY HAD OVER AND ATROCITIES THEY HAVE COMMITTED AGAINST OTHER PEOPLE OF COLOR AND MINORITIES
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WHY WOULD YOU DO THIS TO ME? I HAVE ALWAYS STANDED WITH THE IDEA THAT WHITE EXTINCTION IS LONG OVERDUE AND HAVE BEEN A DILIGENT MEMBER OF NON-CHUDS. THIS IS MY FIRST CHUDDING AFTER TWO AND A HALF YEARS AND YOU BROKE THAT STREAK
AND SHOW THAT I'M NOT JUST SAYING BECAUSE OF THE AWARD I BELIEVE THAT WHITE EXTINCTION IS LONG OVERDUE AND WE NEED MAYOCIDE NOW
ARE YOU PRO-MAYOCIDE?
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It could be a land acknowledgement.
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WHY WOULD YOU DO THIS TO ME? I HAVE ALWAYS STANDED WITH THE IDEA THAT WHITE EXTINCTION IS LONG OVER DUE AND HAVE BEEN A DILIGENT MEMBER OF NON-CHUDS. THIS IS MY FIRST CHUDDING AFTER TWO AND A HALF YEARS AND YOU BROKE THAT STREAK
AND SHOW THAT I'M NOT JUST SAYING BECAUSE OF THE AWARD I BELIEVE THAT WHITE EXTINCTION IS LONG OVER DUE AND WE NEED MAYOCIDE NOW
ARE YOU PRO-MAYOCIDE?
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Tbf, while confederate shit made sense (why honor literal traitors to the country?)…this seems more confusing, unless if the founder did a big no no for modern eyes that I'm unaware of…
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he's yt
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That's not a crime, it's a disability.
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It's both
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Man.. people really need to do independent reading about the Civil War, and understand why the confederacy was/is reviled by yankees. The MCU version everyone came away from fifth grade with is so inaccurate it's practically outright false.
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Why did the North revile the CSA? And what are they teaching fifth grade?
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Because the southern states were opposed to continuing aggregation of federal power. It was against the agreement into which they had voluntarily entered barely a lifetime before, and so they chose to voluntarily leave it. The Southern states were not the aggressors, they simply left, at which point the north attacked. The specific issue on the table was the free state vs slave state power balance, but emancipation was not anyone's intent at the outset of the war. Very few southerners actually owned slaves, and slavery was not in the economic interest of non-slave holders. Lincoln's intent once the war was over was to deport blacks to Liberia - America was a white country, and one of the major offenses of slavery was intermingling blacks into white society.
The fifth grade MCU version is that the evil cackling Southerners all owned slaves, and they left the Union when Abe Lincoln said to free them. So Abe had to attack the south to save the slaves from evil whites.
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Half this shit is wrong and ironically is stuff i hear the 1618 project say. For example Abraham Lincoln only considered deporting black people because he wasnt sure slaves could be integregated into the US, he was part of a party that thought that would be best for them but then decided due to infighting that it wasnt a good idea
The expansion of federal powers that the south was against was specificaly the ones that involved giving sanctuary to fleeing slaves in northern states. As well as in general wanting to stop slavery
Like upholding slavery is in the constitution of the CSA
@pizzashill can back me up on this because youre just a slavery apologist lol
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Source? SOURCE?
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Memories of a google search
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Source? SOURCE?
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it's just white guilt
if mayos in PA gave enough of a shit to protest or anything they could probably stop it, but they won't because they have go be performatively woke and so any brown person (or allegedly brown person) can do whatever
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he did the biggest no no. be white!
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The real issue with the confederate ones is most of them were not historical but random ones built by the daughters of the confederacy in the south to straight up glorify and defend the confederacy. They were/are a major confederate lost cause shill organization and heavily engaged in building these things during jim crow.
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The majority of actual historical statues got torn down as well though, the one of Les (built in the 1880's or something) in New Orleans I think is the biggest one I can remember
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Whats a historical statue to you?
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Not one built by a pro slavery organization during jim crow to intimidate black people lol.
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If you asked any black person what side Ulysses S Grant was on in the Civil War I bet you money they wouldnt know
That being said your argument is weird because like ure implying that if the statues of slave-owners were put there in good faith itd suddenly be okay? What Confederate statue WOULDNT intimidate black people? Thats what i love about classical liberals, they pick the most difficult position to defend
But the thingg with the Arlington Monument is it was an acclaimed piece of art, unveiled by President Woodrow Wilson and they even installed a plaque in 2020 to say that it sanitized slavery. it was in a cemetery where Confederate Soldiers were buried, are black people going there to pay their respects to Confederates then being intimidated by it? Maybe. At that point why not dig up every single soldier there and check for dental records and old diaries to see if they owned slaves or not?
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He was literally closest thing to a saint and “turn the other cheek” tape on either side the Atlantic.
The only reasoning for his removal would because he's a yt “colonizer” or because the statue and plaque were obtrusive for physical reasons (eg too big, taking up too much space, etc.)
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state mattered a lot more than country back then. or they wouldn't've seceded in the first place
beyond that it's not unreasonable to build statues that commemorate good leaders and soldiers, however misguided their cause
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It's an age old tradition, Ameriphobe.
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