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EFFORTPOST Cumskin forcibly evicted from his OWN home to accommodate heya hoyas :marseycherokee: :marseyextinction:. Rightoids melt down :marseychudgenocide:, even Redditors are conflicted :marseyslipperyslope:

https://patriots.win/p/17s5avs7Qm/breaking-the-biden-administratio/c

From an article, pasted below for YOUR convenience :marseyjanny2:

The National Park Service has announced its plans to remove a William Penn statue from “Welcome Park” in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania.

“The National Park Service proposes to rehabilitate Welcome Park to provide a more welcoming, accurate, and inclusive experience for visitors,” a January 5 press release from the Park Service says, asking the public for input on the “proposed design for the rehabilitation of Welcome Park.”

The plan has received some criticism online.

According to US History.org, Penn “founded the Province of Pennsylvania, the British North American colony that became the U.S. state of Pennsylvania.” The site adds of Penn: “The democratic principles that he set forth served as an inspiration for the United States Constitution.”

According to US History.org, Penn became a Quaker, a group that “refused to bow or take off their hats to any man, and refused to take up arms.”

“William Penn was an English Quaker best known for founding the colony of Pennsylvania as a place for religious freedom in America,” Biography.com reports.

What is Welcome Park? According to the Cultural Landscape Foundation, “Situated in East Philadelphia close to the Delaware River, the plaza was conceived as an ‘open air' museum by Venturi, Scott Brown and Associates. The project is the only site in the city dedicated to interpreting the life and ideas of its founder, William Penn.”

Here's what you need to know:

According to the National Park Service's press release, Welcome Park “was designed by the internationally acclaimed design firm Venturi & Scott Brown Associates. The park is located on the site of William Penn's home, the Slate Roof House, and is named for the ship, Welcome, which transported Penn to Philadelphia. The design and construction of Welcome Park was funded by the Independence Historical Trust and was completed in 1982.”

The park service release explains:

The proposed rehabilitation of Welcome Park includes expanded interpretation of the Native American history of Philadelphia and was developed in consultation with representatives of the indigenous nations of the Haudenosaunee, the Delaware Nation, Delaware Tribe of Indians, the Shawnee Tribe, and the Eastern Shawnee Tribe of Oklahoma. The reimagined Welcome Park maintains certain aspects of the original design such as the street grid, the rivers and the east wall while adding a new planted buffer on three sides, and a ceremonial gathering space with circular benches. The Penn statue and Slate Roof house model will be removed and not reinstalled. In a separate and future effort, new exhibit panels will be installed on the south site wall to replace the Penn timeline.

The public “is invited to submit comments on this proposed design for the rehabilitation of Welcome Park for a 14-day period from January 8th – 21st, 2024 through the National Park Service's Planning, Environment and Public Comment (PEPC) at https://parkplanning.nps.gov. Comments submitted through social media, phone calls, email or mail will not be accepted. All public comments must be received through PEPC by midnight Sunday, January 21st, 2024,” the release said.

The Cultural Landscape Foundation explains of Welcome Park:

Comissioned by the Friends of Independence Mall National Historic Park and opened in 1982, the design is laid out as a giant map of the original grid-iron street plan of Philadelphia constructed atop a marble ground plane. It includes miniature representations of significant features related to Penn, including the City Hall statue and his original slate-roof house. Within the plan, individual trees mark the four historic squares that were part of Penn's original utopian plan of 1683.

The park is enclosed by two perimeter walls which are primed with a chronological, interpretive narrative that provides a biography of Penn. His farewell address to the city is engraved on the base of the statue model.

Penn is so closely associated with Philadelphia that a statue of Penn stands on top of City Hall.

Penn “was the son of an admiral and landowner, and he was educated in theology and the law,” Biography.com reports.

According to that site, Penn “was jailed several times for his resistance to the Church of England,” and in 1681, “he received a royal charter to form a new colony in America, to be named Pennsylvania; he envisioned this territory as a peaceful refuge for members of all religious beliefs.”

In the newly named Pennsylvania, Penn formed “the new colony's government, writing its constitution, distributing land to settlers and establishing positive, peaceful relations with the local Indians,” according to Biography.com.

He eventually returned to England, the site reports. According to a biography of Penn on Pennsbury Manor's website, “Penn also navigated a peaceful relationship with the Lenape (Native Americans) in the area. Paying for land, inclusion in the jury system, and learning their language were just a few of the ways Penn approached and solicited the cooperation of the Lenape.”

According to US History.org, “Welcome Park is named for William Penn's ship, the Welcome.”

TLDR:

“The National Park Service proposes to rehabilitate Welcome Park to provide a more welcoming, accurate, and inclusive experience for visitors,” a January 5 press release from the Park Service says, asking the public for input on the “proposed design for the rehabilitation of Welcome Park.”

The park is located on the site of William Penn's home, the Slate Roof House, and is named for the ship, Welcome, which transported Penn to Philadelphia.

The proposed rehabilitation of Welcome Park includes expanded interpretation of the Native American history of Philadelphia and was developed in consultation with representatives of the indigenous nations of the Haudenosaunee, the Delaware Nation, Delaware Tribe of Indians, the Shawnee Tribe, and the Eastern Shawnee Tribe of Oklahoma. The reimagined Welcome Park maintains certain aspects of the original design such as the street grid, the rivers and the east wall while adding a new planted buffer on three sides, and a ceremonial gathering space with circular benches. The Penn statue and Slate Roof house model will be removed and not reinstalled. In a separate and future effort, new exhibit panels will be installed on the south site wall to replace the Penn timeline.

So basically they're removing the a statue and biography of the founder of their city on the site of his house to put more recognition of Native Americans lmao :marseysaluteusa: And this guy was a Quaker, who were basically the turbolibs of their day. Staunch pacifists and always at the forefront of antislavery groups and progressive political causes.

:!brainletmaga: on dot lose are not happy :marseyxd:

:!soyjakmaga: Before any one claims slavery, Penn was a Quaker. The Quakers were against slavery.

:marseytinfoil2: It's all white people. All white history. They want it erased and they want us exterminated. They have the means to do it now, and they are beginning the process.

:marseyagree: That's right crakkka now step into the gas chamber :marseyevilgrin:

Another subthread under the top comment, no idea what they're talking about here. Acquitted for what? Any Penncels :marseyyinzer: :marseynittanylion: want to weigh in?

:marseyobjection: He also was acquitted under jury nullification

:marseyspyglow: Based quakers. Jury nullification is an important tool telling the judiciary and courts that the laws in place are bullshit.
To avoid the risk of jury nullification, I think Biden, Obama, Pelosi, etc. will have to be jailed and executed without a jury trial

:marseymutt: can't stop thinking about big, black...booty!? :marseyshock:

:marseytwerkinit: Wouldn't it be more appropriate to replace Penn's statue with a bronze sculpture of a massive twerking BIPOC?


ON TO REDDIT


I found a thread in /r/philadelphia to get a fair and balanced opinion, surely the redditors are supporting this full-throatedly?

:marseyakshually: Pennsylvania had a native population of 10,000 when William Penn arrived. It was virtually uninhabited, except for a few settlements in river valleys. The current site of Center City was not home to any Lenape villages to my awareness. This is the fetishization of a very tiny population. If we're going to acknowledge those who preceded Penn, the Swedes and the Dutch should be on the same footing.

:marseymalding: I didn't realize that genocide was fine if the population was deemed small enough.

:soyjakanimeglasses: lol what? they're renovating it. sorry for reminding you we live on genocided land.

This is so funny to me, turns out Philly was NOT founded on the ashes of a thriving native metropolis, but because they kind of generally lived in the area, this guy was a genocidemaxxxer and evil :marseypilgrim: :marseyshooting:

:marseychudegg: Insane how quickly it went from Confederate statues in the south, to president statues in New York, to now an anti-slavery religious freedom Quaker in Philadelphia. What's next?

:marseythonk: Not that we like the guy but trump literally warned of exactly this

:marseypearlclutch: These chuds were upmarseyd! And the first guy has a "rittenhouse" flair. I assume its a suburb or neighborhood in Philadelphia, but it's still funny.

Also, this starts a long :marseylongpost: fight under a subthread, which I'm too :marseyantiwork: lazy to reproduce here, but here is the link to beginning

:marseytabletired: I wish cities would simply ADD new statues to underrepresented people rather than tearing every historic statue down.

:marseynerd: This really isn't a historic statue. It went up in the 1980s, and it's just a copy of the one up on city hall, which I'm pretty sure you can see from the park.
It has minimal aesthetic, historical, or educational value, and statues in general aren't really a particularly effective tool for public history education (as evidenced by this thread).
Making whats currently a pretty barren and ironically unwelcoming park a more pleasant public space that offers more complex and current onsite historic interpretation is a good move. I don't see how just jamming more statues onto the site would accomplish that - from what I can tell, the current statue is coming down because its footprint is the best spot to provide space for seating, which is currently lacking.

:marseywise: The 1980s were 40 years ago already.
There was a time Trajan's Column was new construction.

:marseynerd: There are actually metrics in the historic preservation community for deciding what has preservation value based on age and cultural importance.
Nothing about this statue makes the cut. It's not that old, it's not a rare or uncommon example of something, it's not a unique work. It's a really replaceable object.

:marseyeyeroll: Yes, William Penn has absolutely no cultural importance here in Pennsylvania.
And, yes, if you replace things every few decades then they never get old.

One Redditor has already given up this battle and gone onto the next one:

Maybe we should start thinking of a new name for "Pennsylvania."

Hoagieville

Jawnson Town

Yinzers! Go shit up this thread with Western Pennsylvania slang :slapfight:

!chuds another statue being taken down, this time its actually NOT a Confederatecel who had no business being there in the first place :marseyshock: :!marseyshock:

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Tbf, while confederate shit made sense (why honor literal traitors to the country?)…this seems more confusing, unless if the founder did a big no no for modern eyes that I'm unaware of…

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it's just white guilt

if mayos in PA gave enough of a shit to protest or anything they could probably stop it, but they won't because they have go be performatively woke and so any brown person (or allegedly brown person) can do whatever

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unless if the founder did a big no no for modern eyes that I'm unaware of…

:#marseymayo: he's yt

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That's not a crime, it's a disability.

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It's both

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Man.. people really need to do independent reading about the Civil War, and understand why the confederacy was/is reviled by yankees. The MCU version everyone came away from fifth grade with is so inaccurate it's practically outright false.

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why the confederacy was/is reviled by yankees. The MCU version everyone came away from fifth grade with is so inaccurate it's practically outright false.

Why did the North revile the CSA? And what are they teaching fifth grade?

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Because the southern states were opposed to continuing aggregation of federal power. It was against the agreement into which they had voluntarily entered barely a lifetime before, and so they chose to voluntarily leave it. The Southern states were not the aggressors, they simply left, at which point the north attacked. The specific issue on the table was the free state vs slave state power balance, but emancipation was not anyone's intent at the outset of the war. Very few southerners actually owned slaves, and slavery was not in the economic interest of non-slave holders. Lincoln's intent once the war was over was to deport blacks to Liberia - America was a white country, and one of the major offenses of slavery was intermingling blacks into white society.

The fifth grade MCU version is that the evil cackling Southerners all owned slaves, and they left the Union when Abe Lincoln said to free them. So Abe had to attack the south to save the slaves from evil whites.

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Half this shit is wrong and ironically is stuff i hear the 1618 project say. For example Abraham Lincoln only considered deporting black people because he wasnt sure slaves could be integregated into the US, he was part of a party that thought that would be best for them but then decided due to infighting that it wasnt a good idea

The expansion of federal powers that the south was against was specificaly the ones that involved giving sanctuary to fleeing slaves in northern states. As well as in general wanting to stop slavery

Like upholding slavery is in the constitution of the CSA

@pizzashill can back me up on this because youre just a slavery apologist lol

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Source? SOURCE?

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Memories of a google search

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he did the biggest no no. be white!

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The real issue with the confederate ones is most of them were not historical but random ones built by the daughters of the confederacy in the south to straight up glorify and defend the confederacy. They were/are a major confederate lost cause shill organization and heavily engaged in building these things during jim crow.

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The majority of actual historical statues got torn down as well though, the one of Les (built in the 1880's or something) in New Orleans I think is the biggest one I can remember

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Whats a historical statue to you?

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Not one built by a pro slavery organization during jim crow to intimidate black people lol.

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If you asked any black person what side Ulysses S Grant was on in the Civil War I bet you money they wouldnt know

That being said your argument is weird because like ure implying that if the statues of slave-owners were put there in good faith itd suddenly be okay? What Confederate statue WOULDNT intimidate black people? Thats what i love about classical liberals, they pick the most difficult position to defend

But the thingg with the Arlington Monument is it was an acclaimed piece of art, unveiled by President Woodrow Wilson and they even installed a plaque in 2020 to say that it sanitized slavery. it was in a cemetery where Confederate Soldiers were buried, are black people going there to pay their respects to Confederates then being intimidated by it? Maybe. At that point why not dig up every single soldier there and check for dental records and old diaries to see if they owned slaves or not?

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He was literally closest thing to a saint and “turn the other cheek” tape on either side the Atlantic.

The only reasoning for his removal would because he's a yt “colonizer” or because the statue and plaque were obtrusive for physical reasons (eg too big, taking up too much space, etc.)

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state mattered a lot more than country back then. or they wouldn't've seceded in the first place

beyond that it's not unreasonable to build statues that commemorate good leaders and soldiers, however misguided their cause :marseyindignant:

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while confederate shit made sense

>have a dispute

>resolve it with guns

It's an age old tradition, Ameriphobe.

:#marseysaluteusa: :!#marseysaluteconfederacy:

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