EFFORTPOST The views and opinions of Andrea Dworkin

What's s*x? I wouldn't know. But I've read a lot of opinions about it. Today I'd like to go through the opinions of Andrea Dworkin, a feminist who argued for a rather s*x negative view on the topic. Was she correct or was she hysterical? Let's find out.

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Who is Andrea Dworkin?

Andrea Dworkin is most known for her iconic text Intercourse. She's also fat. In her lifetime, Dworkin remained a controversial feminist figure due to her views which were sometimes regarded as ‘s*x-negative'. However, regardless of whether you agree with her overall conclusions, many of her critiques concerning the problematic aspects of society prove to be quite valuable. Her text is notable for its coarse and direct language, as well as the liberal use of literature to illustrate certain points.

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Andrea Dworkin and s*x

Dworkin views heterosexual s*x as an act of subordination on the part of the woman who is the one getting "fricked". Popular conceptions of intercourse often normalize forms of hostile sexism which subordinate women and remove their agency. Typically, women are viewed as sexual prey that is to be conquered by the dominant male who, in doing so, achieves possession of the woman. Dworkin expresses this slightly more crudely when she writes that intercourse is commonly conceptualized as:

“a form of possession or an act of possession in which, during which, because of which, a man inhabits a woman, physically covering her and overwhelming her and at the same time penetrating her; and this physical relation to her—over her and inside her—is his possession of her. He has her, or, when he is done, he has had her. By thrusting into her, he takes her over. His thrusting into her is taken to be her capitulation to him as a conqueror; it is a physical surrender of herself to him; he occupies and rules her, expresses his elemental dominance over her, by his possession of her in the” act.

Dworkin adds that often the act is “taken to be an act of invasion and ownership undertaken in a mode of predation”. Essentially, all heterosexual s*x is r*pe. How does Dworkin explain this? I'll let her speak:

"A human being has a body that is inviolate; and when it is violated, it is abused. A woman has a body that is penetrated in intercourse: permeable, its corporeal solidness a lie. The discourse of male truth—literature, science, philosophy, pornography— calls that penetration violation. This it does with some consistency and some confidence. Violation is a synonym for intercourse. At the same time, the penetration is taken to be a use, not an abuse; a normal use; it is appropriate to enter her, to push into (“violate”) the boundaries of her body. She is human, of course, but by a standard that does not include physical privacy. She is, in fact, human by a standard that precludes physical privacy, since to keep a man out altogether and for a lifetime is deviant in the extreme, a psychopathology, a repudiation of the way in which she is expected to manifest her humanity. There is a deep recognition in culture and in experience that intercourse is both the normal use of a woman, her human potentiality affirmed by it, and a violative abuse, her privacy irredeemably compromised, her selfhood changed in a way that is irrevocable, unrecoverable. And it is recognized that the use and abuse are not distinct phenomena but somehow a synthesized reality: both are true at the same time as if they were one harmonious truth instead of mutually exclusive contradictions. Intercourse in reality is a use and an abuse simultaneously, experienced and described as such, the act parlayed into the illuminated heights of religious duty and the dark recesses of morbid and dirty brutality. She, a human being, is supposed to have a privacy that is absolute; except that she, a woman, has a hole between her legs that men can, must, do enter. This hole, her hole, is synonymous with entry."

Do you agree with her? Maybe a video will elucidate her points better.

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Andrea Dworkin and FGM

Dworkin also discusses female genital mutilation at length. According to Dworkin, FGM has been used on women around the world to “take away sexual drive and behavioural nonconformity”. At its worst, FGM/C takes the form of infibulation which Dworkin regards as a violation of a civilly inferior group. Infibulation is a procedure whereby the birth canal is stitched closed enough to prevent intercourse and thus, as Dworkin explains, infibulated women “are partially cut open at marriage, and must be fully opened at childbirth - after which they are sewn up again”. For these reasons, Dworkin regards FGM/C as another form of sexual suppression which aims to limit women's autonomy, in some cases through irreversible body modification.

This view has been hotly challenged and remains controversial within the feminist realm. Scholars such as Obioma Nnaemeka claim that the word mutilation conjures imagery of knives and blades which may not necessarily be accurate as in some communities hot water is used instead. Furthermore, the term mutilation may result in negative perceptions of certain groups of people and their cultures. Okorafor, on the other hand, argues that the word mutilation is fitting. On her blog she justifies this by claiming that the word female circumcision falsely “implies that it is the equivalent of male circumcision”. I disagree with Okorafor because I do think it is equivalent and male peepees shouldn't be cut.

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Conclusion

What do you think about the nature of penetration? Is it okay because it feels good? Can incels use this theory to indignify normies? I believe this is all true and more. Men who have s*x are male feminists, and I am a good person because I don't.


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https://exiledonline.com/exterminate-the-men-honoring-andrea-dworkin-a-feminist-who-meant-it-and-paid/ (By John Dolan)

[...] For Fanon and the rest, any interaction between the Oppressor and the Oppressed is to the disadvantage of the Oppressed. That's axiomatic. What that means in Dworkin's simple, obvious reading of the Revolutionary Scriptures is that when men frick women, it's always an act of oppression.

That was where she went too far in the views of her more flexible colleagues. They didn't like having their options reduced. That, in the view of an American striver, was the worst thing you could do to anybody.

Dworkin didn't know a thing about her audience. Didn't know they were talking career and fun when she was talking sacrifice, martyrdom. (It's no accident her heroine was Joan of Arc. Dworkin was a Catholic without knowing it, an old-time Catholic who never suspected it of herself. She and J. K. Toole, another fat loser who died young, are the only Catholic writers to survive, for a while, in modern America.)

Dworkin maintained this strictly orthodox view in her most-hated book, Intercourse (1987), arguing that heterosexual intercourse was r*pe. Oh, and please, don't tell me that's not her argument. I not only read and reread that book but taught it to a group of horrified Berkeley students in 1990. That darn well is what she said. You could tell it by the expression on their little faces — a great moment!

Even the reviewers who praised Dworkin did it in ways intended to alert their readers that they were encountering a nut, someone who was to be admired rather than listened to. Intercourse was “daring,” “radical,” “outrageous” — in other words, beyond the pale. It was something to have on your shelf, or your reading list, as ballast, another sort of street cred. It was never meant to accuse women who fricked men of, to coin a phrase, sleeping with the enemy.

But that was exactly what Dworkin meant, and all she meant. It was so obvious; the real shock is that it took so long for someone in the women's movement to say that and get noticed for it.

The last stage in Fanon's and Guevara's blueprint was the one that put Dworkin out of play forever:

\4. Kill the oppressor.

That's what the revolutionaries said, and they didn't mean it figuratively. They meant get a fricking machete and kill a cop, take his gun and use that on as many of the oppressors as you can get. They were pretty darn clear on this, as clear as a Calvinist ruling out salvation by works. You could not overthrow the oppressor with harsh language, or the evil eye, or moving depictions of slum conditions. You had to kill the bastards. Are we clear?

And Dworkin, as loyal and dumb as the horse in Animal Farm, trotted along to this fatal fourth step — and found herself alone.

She said it, as usual, with simple clarity, in the language of Che Guevara. It must have amazed her that she even needed to say it; it had been so obvious from the start. Her pleas for resistance are couched in a wonderful diction, mixed of Catholic martyr-cult and Fanon's call to jacquerie: “I'm asking you to give up your lies. I'm asking you to live your lives, honorably and with dignity. I'm asking you to fight. I am asking you to organize political support for women who kill men who have been hurting them…They resisted a domination that they were expected to accept. They stand there in jail for us, for every one of us who got away without having to pull the trigger.”

In the end, the most remarkable thing about Dworkin is that there was only one of her. Hundreds of millions of women more sly, raised with the notion of compromise and an immunity to ideology, scrambled away from the inconvenient implications of liberation rhetoric. She alone stood their on her famously arthritic knees, doing her simple best to fight the jihad she'd been fool enough to believe would actually take place.

What if they held a war and only one fat lady sang? You don't need to ask; you've lived through it.

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Dworkin maintained this strictly orthodox view in her most-hated book, Intercourse (1987), arguing that heterosexual intercourse was r*pe. Oh, and please, don't tell me that's not her argument.

Lmao which contrarian r-slur argues this?

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Andrea Dworkin and legendary sword shit author Micheal Moorpeepee

>This may be my history, but I think the social explanation of the "all s*x is r*pe" slander is different and probably simple. Most men and a good number of women experience sexual pleasure in inequality. Since the paradigm for s*x has been one of conquest, possession, and violation, I think many men believe they need an unfair advantage, which at its extreme would be called r*pe. I don't think they need it. I think both intercourse and sexual pleasure can and will survive equality.

>It's important to say, too, that the pornographers, especially Playboy, have published the "all s*x is r*pe" slander repeatedly over the years, and it's been taken up by others like Time who, when challenged, cannot cite a source in my work.

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>When she suggested, in Intercourse, that the conventional s*x act might contribute to sexual inequality, a great many reviewers reacted as if she'd proposed mass castrations.

https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/andrea-dworkin-by-michael-moorpeepee-1574831.html

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Dude this shit is gold if you're a spectator of feminism. Like I started reading bell hooks and I'm like okay, a lot of these takes are at least reasonable even if I don't necessarily agree.

Then I found out just how deeply hated she was because she was a gender conforming, heterosexual, and very culturally traditional southern black woman lol.

Now we have this fat moid r-slur driveling on about how Dworkin didn't hate men. What's next, Marx was a capitalist? :marseyxd:

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bell hooks has a dedicated hate base among black men due to We Real Cool: Black Men and Masculinity, these are typically the people that view The Color Purple(OG) as anti black men. bell hooks was also a landlord which makes commies, especially black men that are Black Panther larping fanboys, sneed.

https://tristangraham300.medium.com/critique-of-bell-hooks-the-will-to-change-and-beyond-cb09d504eb0

https://www.nytimes.com/1986/01/27/us/blacks-in-heated-debate-over-the-color-purple.html

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Tfw James Baldwin, bell hooks, and MLK were all unironic traditionalists in their personal lives :marseyxd: :marseyxd: :marseyxd:

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>Then I found out just how deeply hated she was because she was a gender conforming, heterosexual, and very culturally traditional southern black woman lol.

The trashing will continue until solidarity improves

>The Movement's emphasis on "the personal is political" has made it easier for trashing to flourish. We began by deriving some of our political ideas from our analysis of our personal lives. This legitimated for many the idea that the Movement could tell us what kind of people we ought to be, and by extension what kind of personalities we ought to have. As no boundaries were drawn to define the limits of such demands, it was difficult to preclude abuses. Many groups have sought to remold the lives and minds of their members, and some have trashed those who resisted.

https://www.jofreeman.com/joreen/trashing.htm

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Feminist thinkers, like myself, who wanted to include men in the discussion were usually labeled male-identified and dismissed. We were “sleeping with the enemy.” We were the feminists who could not be trusted because we cared about the fate of men. We were the feminists who did not believe in female superiority any more than we believed in male superiority.

bell hooks wrote this and tbh it was relevant for her entire life. A lot of feminists wear the skin of feminism but they're just the leftist archetype like you said - prescriptivists who not only tell you what to believe, but also how to be. It is not sufficient to believe in the Church of Whatever Feminism Is Today, you also have to take part in the sacraments.

When do you think we went from the view that the political is personal (you vote for people based on your own Freudian sexual inclinations) to the personal being political? And why did we do that when it's way more amusing to chalk absolutely everything up to being horny?

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Moorpeepee

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Libfems insist that all redfem insanity is all metaphorical until enough people call them on it. Then they just memoryhole that radfem.

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Ah John Dolan, a man I haven't thought of in a while. So many good essays by him.

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:#marseydolanmasry:

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