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Silly peasant! You're thinking of what's good for society rather than what's good for the haves! (100)
Stop joking. This is serious. (-13)
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What could possibly be more valuable than educating the next generation? No, that value doesn't make itself known within a quarter, but having an educated populace pays dividends. Unless of course the ruling elite actually want a bunch of dumb slaves, which it certainly seems like they do. (440)
Teacher salaries are determined locally. Only 17 states have state-wide pay schedules for teachers, and those only specify minimums.Blaming a "ruling elite" when this is a local issue just makes you look unserious. (-14)
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They were still teaching from home.ย Pivoting to online learning was a learning process for everyone.ย The teachers didn't frick over anyone.ย Our frickin society did by not prioritizing good ventilation in buildings and universal healthcare and providing paid leave and leaving parents having to try to manage their remote learning students at the same time as full time jobs.ย If you think online learning was bad wait for the impact of a spike of disabled people due to long COVID.ย ย (13)
The teachers unions refused to work in 2021. ย The online learning was bullshit and it negativity impacted poor kids who didn't have rich WFH parents to baby sit then.ย My 3rd grader had online classes. Ridiculous (-13)
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The teachers unions refused to work in 2021. ย The online learning was bullshit and it negativity impacted poor kids who didn't have rich WFH parents to baby sit then.ย My 3rd grader had online classes. Ridiculous (-13)
While I agree that online learning isn't ideal for most age groups, neither is asking people to risk their lives and health because people send their sick kids to school because there is no mandated paid sick leave in the US. It would have been easier to return to in person learning if schools had upgraded their ventilation systems and installed air filtration, and legislation was passed to mandated that people are paid to stay home when they are sick or have sick children to care for (working from home if possible) Spreading disease does not increase productivity, and no one does a good job when they are hopped up on OTC drugs to keep themselves standing upright. This whole situation was a disaster of our own making, because people need money to pay bills, their employers do not pay them and they put their jobs at risk if they call out sick, and people who have children with no stay at home parent or nearby retired family or friends who are OK with watching sick kids (which pre c... (2)
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I know money doesn't grow on trees, but i made this same argument for police officers.If all of a sudden we said police officers in major cities will make, idk, 250k a year (for shits & gigs argument sake)... well heck, i bet all of a sudden we wouldn't have such a shortage. You'd create a ton of competition. Only the best of the best would graduate the academy, and you could hand pick the top candidates. You could weed out the pigs, the ones that shoot at acorns, or the tiny female that resorts to tazer'ing some big burly dude bc she knows she couldn't physically thwart potentially dangerous advances if it came to that. All of a sudden people aren't leaving an extremely dangerous job bc the money is good, so you can then train the next crop much better on dealing/interacting with all sorts of situations.But alas, once again, the money has to come from somewhere, even if it is for the people teaching our youth or the people will call for help. (5)
Police officer is less dangerous than pizza delivery. Cops are already very highly paid and well-protected for little education or skill. The butthole that murdered Daniel Shaver gets paid for the rest of his life because of the 'stress' he got... from murdering an unarmed kid lying on his stomach.I'm all for increasing pay, decreasing their responsibilities, as long as we also drastically reduce the size of departments and outsourcing the shit that doesn't require a dude with a badge and a gun to social workers and qualified individuals. Cops end up doing tons of shit that really doesn't need to fall on them. And mandatory bodycams, they reduce complaints two-fold, both false complaints, and real violations, because everyone knows it's being recorded. (11)
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What a fricking brain dead take! Teachers absolutely need to be paid more.It's not glorified babysitting. It's not liberal indoctrination.It's trying to get students to do the bare minimum needed to be a successful individual in this society. When parents don't help, when administrators always side with these same parents, and when society at large treats your job like a fricking joke. That's where the shitty brain dead takes come from.We need to be paid our fricking worth, BEFORE getting a masters degree! A fricking cashier at a Buc-ee's will be making more than a first and second year teacher before they earn their masters. A FRICKING CASHIER. Higher salaries will not cause inflation, where is the logic there anyway?! Pay teachers for their time, effort, compassion, and patience with dealing with the children Y'ALL failed to parent properly. It is not a teachers job to raise a kid, babysit them or even do more than just educate them! This take can only be made by someone who sees teach... (1)
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If teachers are so smart why didn't they research the pay before they dedicated years of their life and thousands of dollars to become a teacher?
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They thought they would be teaching white kids in the burbs and would get to bang lonely stay at home yoga moms.
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Most teachers are foids (female)
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Homophobia will continue until I'm invited
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Gay dudes aren't banging yoga moms
Correct urself lezzie
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Exactly. Homophobia for assuming the foid teachers aren't doing so
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To be fair a lot of teachers received bachelor's in humanities/biology etc and opted into teaching after the fact when faced with the choice to pursue graduate education or take a low wage job.
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That still sounds like being an r-slur though.
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Yes, but it's different than spending years of their life/thousands of dollars to become a teacher. The reality is they had no plan at all.
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They didn't get degrees in Biology. They got degrees in Teaching Biology.
Biology still requires Calc 1-3 and ODEs, two semesters of Biochem, Genetics, and Comparative Anatomy.
Teaching Biology requires coloring books.
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I've met more than a few BSC-Bio teachers idk what to tell you teaching has better pay and benefits than labwork in a lot of states
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Lab technician jobs are worse than McD's. Possible exception for clinical labs.
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Every medical lab tech I've met was suicidal and overworked.
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I know exactly one guy with a BS in Bio but he does actual science stuff and makes good bucks, so everything I know is skewed
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Don't we call that a pyramid scheme?
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eachers are like the mules in the teacher-pyramid scheme
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Tell me more about your experience in the LTGTBTTTQT community
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I think teachers need to realize all their efforts are minuscule to a child's education in relation to how present a parent is in a kids life. Home schooled kids outperform public school kids by leaps and bounds in virtually every metric and it's because of active parents
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It's not because of parents and it's not because of teachers, it's almost exclusively selection effects.
End of the line that people don't want to face is that education efforts aren't very impactful beyond a fairly low baseline.
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That's according to self selecting studies by groups that are typically pro homeschool
a lot of homeschoolers i met flunked standardized tests or were not allowed to take them because it would embarass their parents
The homeschool kid that does well on the SAT tho... you'll never hear the end of it. Even if it took the parents five tries to conceive a nerd child
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Have you tried growing up around smart people?
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The funny thing is homeschooling doesn't take much time at all, the parents smash out everything for the day within literally 2-3 hours and homeschool chads absolutely destroy public-schoolcels in standardized testing. Literally better grades for half the effort.
Think about how much time at school is wasted on bullshit. You could have mothers doing part time jobs and also homeschooling, and it'd only be the effort of a full time job.
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It's the problem with the "one size fits all" approach. 35% of the kids struggle because of their r-slurred genes. Another 25% gets bored with the teacher repeating for months simple concepts that a non-r-slur could assimilate in 10 minutes.
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you can make ok money as a teacher, just not as a coloring instructor at ps 139 in modern hellscape.
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Yes they are r-slurred, but also, they are a tiny bit correct. Society does undervalue children and does not allocate enough resources towards them. Even if you think teachers are worhless, look at pediatrician salaries or any pediatric subspecialty in medicine.
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There are millions of people who want to play glorified babysitter and far fewer who are able and willing to clean up shit or do backbreaking labor. Pay isn't determined by the council of society deciding what jobs are most valuable
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Hey r-slur, it's a government job. It actually is set by council.
Anyways, free market needs to be influenced sometimes.
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The government should set all government salaries to 25 dollars a year, using their magic price fiat powers. They could save so much money at no cost!
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Durrr hurr government salaries are a pure free market phenomenon durrr haven't you heard about supply and demand??? durrr do you really think the government has any power LOL hurrr
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Obviously the government could choose to pay educators above-market rates, but ing that the government needs to start overpaying teachers is silly and does nothing to help the precious children. See: skyrocketing post-secondary education costs (no improvement in outcomes), skyrocketing healthcare costs (no improvement in outcomes)
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....are you actually laboring under the assumption that college and medical fees went up due to some universal rise in professor's and nurse's salaries???? College tuition is rising because (some) colleges have essentially a monopoly on worthwhile degrees and can bill the government, and hospitals have a monopoly on keeping ppl alive and can bill insurance conglomerates. keeping the consumer insulated from the literal immediate cost of the things they're consuming = out of control pricing
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So you believe that public colleges and hospitals are wildly profitable and hoarding their excess profits? Strange that most colleges are slashing budgets or forced to close departments. Most of the leakage in hospital and post-secondary expenditures is wasteful spending on low value-add staff, of course. You conclude from this that we need to also give K12 some blank checks and they would use this money well and save the children?
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It's from government-subsidized loans, ya dingus.
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Yeah, you fricking idiot, which removes any realistic understanding of cost from the consumer because they suddenly have immediate access to like 100k
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Considering there is a teacher shortage and salaries aren't rising, yes, clearly the wages aren't responding to the market.
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There's a "teacher shortage" where Bumfrick County Middle School is struggling to hire a special ed director with a master's degree for $18000 / yr. There's not a general shortage of teachers.
https://nces.ed.gov/programs/digest/d22/tables/dt22_208.20.asp
Please point me to the great teacher shortage that can be seen in this data.
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This report was recently in the news regarding North Carolina. While some of the BFE counties were the hardest hit, the major metro areas (Charlotte, Triangle and Triad) were also hit.
And in either case, your example makes my point. Why isn't that salary rising to market conditions?
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The red states are pushing through school voucher programs. Public schoolcels are in shambles.
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The seethe coming from unions is hilarious.
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hey are just trying to save their business model, since it seems like there is a lot of competition being allowed into the market.
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Sounds like she's just mad her 3rd grader is a lazy rslur
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I want teachers to be paid less simply because too many teachers I had got away with blogposting for 50% of the lesson. One in particular whined about her low wage despite literally not teaching.
I remember watching one's wedding video one lesson, like she just expected us to give a shit.
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Teacher salaries are determined locally. Only 17 states have state-wide pay schedules for teachers, and those only specify minimums.Blaming a "ruling elite" when this is a local issue just makes you look unserious.:
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The teachers unions refused to work in 2021. ย The online learning was bullshit and it negativity impacted poor kids who didn't have rich WFH parents to baby sit then.ย My 3rd grader had online classes. Ridiculous:
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While I agree that online learning isn't ideal for most age groups, neither is asking people to risk their lives and health because people send their sick kids to school because there is no mandated paid sick leave in the US. It would have been easier to return to in person learning if schools had upgraded their ventilation systems and installed air filtration, and legislation was passed to mandated that people are paid to stay home when they are sick or have sick children to care for (working from home if possible) Spreading disease does not increase productivity, and no one does a good job when they are hopped up on OTC drugs to keep themselves standing upright. This whole situation was a disaster of our own making, because people need money to pay bills, their employers do not pay them and they put their jobs at risk if they call out sick, and people who have children with no stay at home parent or nearby retired family or friends who are OK with watching sick kids (which pre c...:
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Police officer is less dangerous than pizza delivery. Cops are already very highly paid and well-protected for little education or skill. The butthole that murdered Daniel Shaver gets paid for the rest of his life because of the 'stress' he got... from murdering an unarmed kid lying on his stomach.I'm all for increasing pay, decreasing their responsibilities, as long as we also drastically reduce the size of departments and outsourcing the shit that doesn't require a dude with a badge and a gun to social workers and qualified individuals. Cops end up doing tons of shit that really doesn't need to fall on them. And mandatory bodycams, they reduce complaints two-fold, both false complaints, and real violations, because everyone knows it's being recorded.:
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What a fricking brain dead take! Teachers absolutely need to be paid more.It's not glorified babysitting. It's not liberal indoctrination.It's trying to get students to do the bare minimum needed to be a successful individual in this society. When parents don't help, when administrators always side with these same parents, and when society at large treats your job like a fricking joke. That's where the shitty brain dead takes come from.We need to be paid our fricking worth, BEFORE getting a masters degree! A fricking cashier at a Buc-ee's will be making more than a first and second year teacher before they earn their masters. A FRICKING CASHIER. Higher salaries will not cause inflation, where is the logic there anyway?! Pay teachers for their time, effort, compassion, and patience with dealing with the children Y'ALL failed to parent properly. It is not a teachers job to raise a kid, babysit them or even do more than just educate them! This take can only be made by someone who sees teach...:
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