EFFORTPOST Stripmining old Wheel of Woke dramarama for the ghost of Carp (we KNOW you are still lurrrking here Carp and we LOVE youuuu )

Basically the gist was that way back when, during the airing of the 1st season 2 years ago, when were developing between book puritans and the other shitlib wokescold tourists, who were trying to gaslamp the old guard into believing that an adaptation about a media property totally didn't need to fricking follow the lore OR the narrative OR the plot OR the background OR the fantasy rules of that universe which made slapfights even moar fiery

Well since reincarnation is such a huge theme in the Wheel of Time Books, one thematic reocurrance was that the heroes kept finding that world history kept repeating themselves with minor adjustments each reincarnation, or each "turning of the wheel" which was the in-universe character's way of referring to each earthly reset or new life.

In universe the author Jordan would lay it on thick that supposedly Wheel of Time was a magical pseudo reincarnation of modern earth, and that ancient greek myths had already repeated much of teh actions of in-universe heroes.

So as you can imagine many of the cute twink defenders of the Series show took this facet of the books as passport to defend blindly ANY amount of changes to the books, no matter how egregious or how much it deviated from the core themes of the books And when Brandon Sanderson would try to play peacemaker between the growing divide and toxicity in the fandom, by referring to the Series as another turning of the wheel, that was only like adding fuel to the fire!

"I'm not sure if I imagined it or if he actually said it but I believe Sanderson said this isn't the turning of the Wheel we read in the books, but a different turning. Watching the series with that in mind, as though this is the turning after the books and the Dark One is trying things differently makes the series friggin incredible."

"Every change seems purposeful in it's contrast to the books, leaving my jaw dropped and wondering "No...nononono...that wasn't supposed to happen. WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN NOW?!?""

The replies are less than favorable:

"This would make sense except for the fact that all of the characters have the same names/lives. The books don't seem to imply that that would ever be the case. Unless you're saying that the wheel weaves infinitely, so eventually the same exact people would be weaved again… idk it's weird"

"My problem is that I didn't want to watch another turning of the wheel. I wanted to see the turning that Jordan wrote about. I wanted to see Robert Jordan's books come to life on screen."

"t's needed because of how disparate the two versions are. Wheel of Time fans were and are shocked by how different this "adaption" is, especially considering the adaption's created for series we consider to be on the same level as Wheel of Time. Namely LoTR and GoT. Both of those adaption are considered to be a masterclass in adaption and cinema (until GoT ran out of source material). They are extremely faithful in their recreations and pull as many scenes directly from the source as possible, while cutting scenes to shorten the story for film, and in rare occasion adding newly created scenes that fill in the gaps left by cut scenes, but in a truncated manner."

"This is a perfectly valid and extremely common form of adaptation, though, which is why the "another turning of the Wheel" thing is completely unnecessary in the first place IMO. Like, do fans of King's The Shining need in-universe terminology to be able to appreciate Kubrick's film? I've never seen such a thing prior to this."

"The difference is that Kubrick's film stands on its own, with well executed changes and Jack Nicholson, while WoT practically needs a watchers guide to be able to follow what's going on or understand what people are saying. This confuses non book readers while book readers are left frustrated by the poorly executed changes."

"As much as I respect and admire Brandon Sanderson, this is absolutely not a different turning of the wheel. It's not even a portal stone world, and here's why. The One Power works differently in the Wheel of Time show, and if there is one thing that is constant in every turning, in every portal stone world, other than the Creator and the Dark One that is, it's the One Power. The One Power does not change. That is why this is not a different turning of the wheel, it's just really bad fan fiction, if the people making this show can even be called fans. I'm not sure they actually are."

"What has changed about the one power?"

"A lot. To name a few thus far...

Morraine was not able to sense Nynaeve's ability to channel. Her healing everyone in that camp came as a surprise to her. For that matter...her aoe healing and not touching them to do it is also a change.

At the battle of Tarwin's Gap there are a couple of differences showcased. For one, a channeler cannot be burned out through linking. Also, three women to weak to become Aes Sedai and two who have not even begun to train would not have been able to destroy an army like that. Women's power level grows the longer they have been channeling and the more training they receive. Which, going back to a previous point, Nynaeve should not have even been capable of a burst of power of that magnitude when she aoe healed those people. [GIRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRLBOSS MONENT]

The show definitely seems to be going for eliminating the differences between male and female in regards to the One Power, as shown when Morraine indicates that the reason she can't teach Rand about channeling has nothing to do with the gender differences. I can't quite recall the reason she states but I remember it being different. There are other differences but those ones are pretty big."

"just so you know, the community on this sub is actively hostile to this show, even with that framing. If you want to have discussions about it that don't devolve into circular rants about how trash it is, I'd go to /r/WoT or /r/WoTshow."

"It's not the entire community, it's a lunatic fringe that goes out of their way to make the show unfun to talk about so they can circlejerk in peace, and I'm starting to think "Ban them on site" is the prudent course of action."

"Where would you draw the line? Ban anyone who doesn't like the show?"

"Don't tempt me. I just want the brigade / circlejerk to stop, and I've reached out to the Admins for options."

"Have you considered auto-banning users that participate in the hate subs? This sub chose not to use this action against whitecloaks and I think that was a mistake."

The /r/whitecloaks was the giga-chuds spazzing the frick out about all the blackwashing and race-bending and would no nuclear when there were so many black peeps. Not even just pissed that the diversity undermined the themes of later in the books, they just didn't nogs in the show lmoa

And so many were banned and created their own sub - the /r/whitecloaks which hilariously is the most hated faction in the game as they are a parody of religious fanatics who burn alive all witcher and mages in the books, but are overall extremely inept due to their fanaticism, not because they don't have spectacular martial prowess, but because in their zealotry they target all the goodguy mages, giving all the badguys massive leeways and headstarts for their evil plans. They are basically an r-slured spanish inquisition.....so basically the inquisition

Thus the chuds who made /r/whitecloaks are really so on the nose they might be zits.

"I feel like you had a lot of rats fleeing the Whitecloaks ship when that sub got nuked, and a lot of them ended up here…"

"r/whitecloaks. /r/whitecloakstoo. /r/wot4all, just to name three. The list goes on, because they either just don't understand that no one else wants them around while they're acting like this, or they don't care"

The eternal chud banned from over 130 subreddits.....