Zelenskkky Says He's "Sure" That Ukraine Will Become An EU Member - /r/europe Not So "Sure"

I feel sorry for him, but he and Ukraine need to understand that people never truly supported Ukraine, they just hate Russia. And the latter is a good thing.

Ukraine is much more useful as a designated proxy warzone

They need to sort their shit out first. War aside, they are super corrupt from top to bottom. Everyone creams off the top , scams and bribes endemic. Years of being in the soviet Union left a dirty mark that needs washing out. And Russia still has its fingers there even though they are fighting.

Do you know how Corruption Perception Index is calculated for your “rich western” country to in the end get one number to characterize all of complex cultural, and economic factors?

And even after that the “Ukraine corruption” or “Eastern Europe” is just something that you hear from everywhere without much analysis.

I am not talking that corruption is not present or it's not a problem. I am saying that it's all much more nuanced then what you hear from your surroundings and take it on as your own genuine thought.

At the end of the day you need to understand that it's just you as a perhaps EU citizen having a thought, which I respect. But you also need to understand that your businesses need cheap labor, your politicians need more population, and your children will need a peaceful future.

And all of that goes beyond just mere “corrupt country”. We are no longer living in a piece time, even in EU, and geopolitics is playing ever increasing role. In that case you're keeping your allies close, regardless of their internal problems, as long as they are serving the role you need them to serve.

Just imagine a world where Ukraine is left alone, and Russia takes over. And in an instant you get ten million fresh soldiers at your border. Are you okay with that? Are you ready to invest trillions in your army? Or would you invest billions in Ukraine? That's the political choice now.

I am not trying to change your mind, I'm just saying that there ate much more at stake than just cliched “Ukraine corruption”. And actors well beyong EU citizen get to decide the future.

Sorry for chaotic messaging, downvote if you don't have anything to say. Also I'm not talking about joining tomorrow. I'm talking about giving a chance and a hope to Ukraine. I think hope is important.

Hope is important!

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hello kyriakos

I expected that it implied /u/KI_official stands for KyrIakos_official, turns out it's one of newspapers that submits their own links to r ddit and one dude in the article is fat.

Frick off. We don't want piles of weapons flowing to the EU due to the most corrupt european country entering Schengen.

They let Greece in, and nobody was giving Greece $100B to pay their government wages, so why not ukraine?

I hope zekringesky gets assassinated by some Ukringe military commanders for being an absolutely worthless grifter who basically sold his nation's sovereignty down the potty via gay war to both Russia and now the globalists to become a welfare state. I hope Russia just fricking dominates them so we never hear about it or have our tax dollars sent to third world euryup shitholes again

it's gonna be hilarious when the war is over and ukraine is an official part of globohomo and the mainstream media starts running all of the stories about how the place is full of nazis the way it did pre-2022