@PermaChudRanch's comment on 'TIL that in 1833 Britain used 40% of its national budget to free all slaves in the Empire : todayilearned'

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!britbongs look at the utter ingratitude of these colonials

Paying slave-owners to give up their "property" is clearly worse than saying they get nothing and doing all the rest.

You are right they should have instead continued slavery for a further 60 years, allowed slaves to be continued to be exported from Africa then had a massive civil war over it getting about 700,000 people killed.

Well it would have been more dramatic that way, yes.

How about they try to end the Israel vs. Palestine conflict they caused.

Fun fact: Israel has no right to exist because it should still be the British Mandate of Palestine.

Crazy how many of the "oppressed" countries continue with slavery even without the option to sell to the Brits

You use oppressed in quotation marks and in the same sentence confirm slavery is ongoing in these countries. We still have to call people stupid here.

POC enslaving each other is wypipo's fault :dasrite:

not baller. imperialism is never baller no matter how you try to disguise its intentions. remember, the British always have some other kind of angle — empires never do anything out of kindness.

This is one of the few examples of an empire doing something out of pure altruism. Britain felt like it was their duty to abolish slavery even though that didn't benefit them and cost them and unimaginable some of money. This is a unicorn in terms of imperial actions, there was no gain and a lot of loss and they did it anyway.

:marseyangel:

Instead of buying their freedom you could've just...ya know...freed them.

Edit: You people down voting do realize that you're advocating for compensating slave owners with British tax dollars.

:brainletchest: British tax dollars

Angry Sexy Indian dudes

The British had slaves in Indian until the beginning of the 20th century though.

They like to use the words like "indentured servitude", but it's the same kind of shit

Its very much different. Indentured servant is voluntary. It is essentially a contract to work for a set amount of time (5 years) in exchange for something.

Yet kept indians enslaved until 1947

There is a reason ghandi always spoke highly of British rule in general, his problem was less with the rule and more with the fact indians were not the ones doing it, fair enough obviously, his objection was imperialism rather than the system.

You talk to people as if they must be unaware, i know you are referring to the fixed labour contracts unique to the indians, which is essentially akin to indentured servitude but pretending the numbers of people involved in that which is not really slavery (you can pretend this is universally agreed by historian's if you really want) is the same as it continuing slavery is disingenuous and also pretending this was remotely relevant in 1947 is also disingenuous.

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CMYKFox yiff/yiff Comprehend the concept of love 13d ago #6699247

The british empire is basically one of the only ones in history that damaged itself legitimately trying to do good things and they get shit on for it and treated like the big bad evil empire for all time. The lesson to take from this is to exterminate all your colonies and brutally oppress everyone you can, because no one will give a frick and cucking yourself for foreigners gets you nothing but a bigger cuck chair

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IP_IVIasquerena I/We I’m 100% certain that at least half the mods do not have Faith or the Holy Spirit. CMYKFox 13d ago #6699390

The British ending wife burning in India is cultural imperialism sweety

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PermaChudRanch pink/name PaidToll IP_IVIasquerena 13d ago #6699508

THE BRITISH IMPROVED HUMAN RIGHTS ON INDIA BY LEAPS AND BOUNDS AND ALL THE FRICKING SEXY INDIAN DUDES DO IS WHINE AND B-WORD ABOUT IT

WHITE EXTINCTION IS LONG OVERDUE CARP

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ElverGalarga El/Rey PermaChudRanch 12d ago #6700492

>Ebb and flow of civilization leads to lull in which a power vacuum forms.

>Chingchongs come and forcibly covert you to a Confucian-Commie system

>Years later: "You know that's kinda fricked up" :doomerfront:

> :asianchud: Don u no we civilized you sirry erropeans, you not even have social credit system or high speed trains before we come!

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PermaChudRanch pink/name PaidToll ElverGalarga 12d ago #6700680

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NICE R-SLURRED HYPOTHETICAL HOWEVER IN THIS CASE THE BRITISH BUILT ROADS AND INFRASTRUCTURE AND DID HORRIBLE OPPRESSIVE THINGS LIKE STOP BANDS OF HIGHWAYMEN FROM MURDERING PEOPLE. IF THEY FORCED COMMUNISM ON INDIANS @PermaChudRanch WOULD TOTALLY SYMPATHIZE

WHITE EXTINCTION IS LONG OVERDUE

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ElverGalarga El/Rey PermaChudRanch 12d ago #6700827 Edited 12d ago

I made a poem for u: Double BIPOC gigaBIPOC BIPOC snow BIPOC jewish chad cracker honkey hard-working American jew, BIPOC BIPOC sexy Indian dude injun BIPOC can't forget chinks too

one of the worst things about the reddit age is making an analogy and someone going "STRAWMAN" like yeah neighbor it's an invented comparison for people who can imagine not eating breakfast this morning

The bongs didn't build that much infrastructure, just enough to extract resources, like the hypothetical chink trains

None of this not that simple, yeah they forcefully modernized society which included some objectively good things like not burning women (idk I take that back, maybe good) but they didn't modernize it much, and India was still a shithole when they left, and maybe made worse. Wages dropped during the British period and famines increased.

This is like when the Arabs go "bbbut us conquering part of Europe was good because we actually preserved and advanced culture while Europe was in a dark age" (which is a myth) Like they may have done some good, but them staying put would have been better. In the analogy, maybe chingchongs building a high-speed rail system throughout North America would be beneficial, but I don't think anyone would take that trade

Gommunisim

Marx pointed to the constructive role of British rule in India, on the grounds that India needed some radical re-examination and self-scrutiny.

idk guess Marx agreed w you

Southerners shit their pants about reconstruction and that was essentially the same fricking ethnic group as them doing it. Imagine it it was victorious frogs or sexy Indian dudes, they'd never let it go

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PermaChudRanch pink/name PaidToll ElverGalarga 12d ago #6700902

None of this not that simple

:#soyjakcobson:

making an analogy and someone going "STRAWMAN"

:#soyjakfat:

you: WHAT IF CHINA CAME IN AND MADE EVERYTHING OBJECTIVELY SHIT IN EVERY WAY? WOULDNT YOU BE MAD???

sexy Indian dude yòur analogy sucks peepees

This is like when the Arabs go

REDDIT PHRASING ALSO Ì DONT CARE WHAT ARABS SAY

famines increase

:#soysnooseethe:

OH FRICK Mê ITS THE FRICKING WINSTON CHURCHILL DID BENGAL FAMINE MYTH AGAIN

WHITE EXTINCTION IS LONG OVERDUE AND SEXY INDIAN DUDES ARE ARYAN WHICH MEANS THEYRE WHITE

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ElverGalarga El/Rey PermaChudRanch 12d ago #6700918 Edited 12d ago

lol you mad BIPOClet

OH FRICK MÊ ITS THE FRICKING WINSTON CHURCHILL DID BENGAL FAMINE MYTH AGAIN

lol I didn't say that, they didn't intentionally do that shit, but the bongoloids didn't mitigate them for shit either and were more focused on (((resource extraction))) than not killing people

SEXY INDIAN DUDE YÒUR ANALOGY SUCKS PEEPEES

Saar I am not sexy Indian dude. You must do the sneedful. Your service ticket is now closed, saar

PermaChudRanch pink/name PaidToll ElverGalarga 12d ago #6700937

SEXY INDIAN DUDE OR ANTICOLONIALIST (COMMIE STRAG)

CALL IT

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PermaChudRanch pink/name PaidToll ElverGalarga 12d ago #6700667

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ElverGalarga El/Rey PermaChudRanch 12d ago #6700873

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jesus je/sus :chadjesus:

ElverGalarga 12d ago #6702030

:#marseyme: and @Grue irl

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IP_IVIasquerena I/We I’m 100% certain that at least half the mods do not have Faith or the Holy Spirit. PermaChudRanch 12d ago #6699688

You'd b-word too if someone showed up and forcibly civilized you before you were ready

It's like trying to make orangutans do calculus when they've barely figured out primitive cowtools

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vampiriccapitalist they/them IP_IVIasquerena 12d ago #6700652

orangutans are less violent :marseymilei: than indians though. cuter too.

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StrayanDog they/them IP_IVIasquerena 13d ago #6699428

Thats a L, we need to go back foid :marseyburn:

gigachad_brony they/them that's how you get the hobo stole my baby story IP_IVIasquerena 12d ago #6703501

Nobody in India is going around hating the British for ending wife burning.

We have a 100 other legitimate grievances to despise them for.

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IP_IVIasquerena I/We I’m 100% certain that at least half the mods do not have Faith or the Holy Spirit. gigachad_brony 12d ago #6704989

Then why did it take the British to end it?

gigachad_brony they/them that's how you get the hobo stole my baby story IP_IVIasquerena 11d ago #6707935

Your statement makes no sense in relation to my statement?

RedAero me/mine Ironic effortposting is still effortposting CMYKFox 12d ago #6700521

The other lesson to take from this is that literally all the criticism leveled at any Western power is thinly veiled Marxist "critique", i.e. those with power are always wrong, evil, immoral, and unethical.

I'm not even kidding, that is literally the only underlying thought behind all vaguely leftist moaning of the last century. The powerful can never do anything right, and the weak can never do anything wrong. The most egregious example of this was that time when some cop shot a black girl literally mid-stab, and shitlibs and woke blacks still criticized her(!). Cop = powerful = evil.

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CMYKFox yiff/yiff Comprehend the concept of love RedAero 12d ago #6700634

It's not just that though because there were tons of empires during the age where the british empire was around, most of them were equally powerful or at times more so, and they were all without exception vastly more evil than the british empire was, sometimes to almost cartoonish extremes (if you wrote a character in a movie that did the shit belgian empire did, people would consider it too evil to be believable)

Yet no one ever rags on them for any of that. There's something specifically anti-british going on that I assume is some holdover from american seethe about independence

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RedAero me/mine Ironic effortposting is still effortposting CMYKFox 12d ago #6700777

Yet no one ever rags on them for any of that.

There are lots of factors: scale (Belgium had one irrelevant colony, the UK ran the planet), language (English-speakers are going to be way more exposed to the history of the UK by simple cause of relation), relevancy (Belgium is a tiny, irrelevant nothing today, the UK isn't). But primarily, it's that Belgium lost its power status, therefore there's no current-day power structure to have an emotional attachment to. And don't forget that the people espousing this rhetoric all-but-fetishize small European democracies because they can't tell the difference between social democracy and socialism - which is aided heavily by the language barrier.

It's nothing to do with the British specifically, it's literally entirely to do with projecting (sometimes entirely imagined) power structures (i.e. narrative matters more than fact, see: intersectionality) onto literally everything.

Detective_Fallacy ywn/baw Somewhere on the bell curve CMYKFox 12d ago #6701892

sometimes to almost cartoonish extremes (if you wrote a character in a movie that did the shit belgian empire did, people would consider it too evil to be believable)

Apparently the "too evil to be believable" didn't stop you from believing all the exaggerations of an Irish proto-woke cute twink whose freedom fetish got himself executed in the end.