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TIL that in 1833 Britain used 40% of its national budget to free all slaves in the Empire : todayilearned

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!britbongs look at the utter ingratitude of these colonials

Paying slave-owners to give up their "property" is clearly worse than saying they get nothing and doing all the rest.

You are right they should have instead continued slavery for a further 60 years, allowed slaves to be continued to be exported from Africa then had a massive civil war over it getting about 700,000 people killed.

Well it would have been more dramatic that way, yes.

How about they try to end the Israel vs. Palestine conflict they caused.

Fun fact: Israel has no right to exist because it should still be the British Mandate of Palestine.

Crazy how many of the "oppressed" countries continue with slavery even without the option to sell to the Brits

You use oppressed in quotation marks and in the same sentence confirm slavery is ongoing in these countries. We still have to call people stupid here.

POC enslaving each other is wypipo's fault :dasrite:

not baller. imperialism is never baller no matter how you try to disguise its intentions. remember, the British always have some other kind of angle β€” empires never do anything out of kindness.

This is one of the few examples of an empire doing something out of pure altruism. Britain felt like it was their duty to abolish slavery even though that didn't benefit them and cost them and unimaginable some of money. This is a unicorn in terms of imperial actions, there was no gain and a lot of loss and they did it anyway.

:marseyangel:

Instead of buying their freedom you could've just...ya know...freed them.

Edit: You people down voting do realize that you're advocating for compensating slave owners with British tax dollars.

:brainletchest: British tax dollars

Angry Sexy Indian dudes

The British had slaves in Indian until the beginning of the 20th century though.

They like to use the words like "indentured servitude", but it's the same kind of shit

Its very much different. Indentured servant is voluntary. It is essentially a contract to work for a set amount of time (5 years) in exchange for something.


Yet kept indians enslaved until 1947

There is a reason ghandi always spoke highly of British rule in general, his problem was less with the rule and more with the fact indians were not the ones doing it, fair enough obviously, his objection was imperialism rather than the system.

You talk to people as if they must be unaware, i know you are referring to the fixed labour contracts unique to the indians, which is essentially akin to indentured servitude but pretending the numbers of people involved in that which is not really slavery (you can pretend this is universally agreed by historian's if you really want) is the same as it continuing slavery is disingenuous and also pretending this was remotely relevant in 1947 is also disingenuous.

!bharatiya penny for your thoughts?

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!historychads the British Empire :marseybowler: was :#based: and I'm tired of pretending it wasn't :marseyindignant:

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Modern days liberals and commies seethe at the UK but without the brits spending the entire 19th century as the one liberal great power in europe, liberalism and socialism would not have had the pull they did now

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https://es.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperiofobia_y_leyenda_negra:_Roma,_Rusia,_Estados_Unidos_y_el_Imperio_espa%C3%B1ol

It's in Spanish (the author is a Spaniard) but the books explains the origins of "Empirephobia", basically why people hate Empires to the point of making shit up for propaganda purposes while glorifying the underdog, regardless if the underdog is a violent savage.

The tradition goes back to ancient Rome with Roman historians criticizing the treatment the army gave the barbarians

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Well commies love empires so long as those empires are ussr and china

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Darn you often have good ideas for my reading list !

I think empires by their very nature break a lot of eggs and reshape the world so thoroughly they can't help but make enemies

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Merci!

Also there's the "leyenda negra" or black legend which she goes into detail.

The Black Legend is this "historical position" of portraying the Spanish Empire as throughly evil. That they genocided all the indians and that the Inquisition burned thousands of people, the film "Elizabeth: the Golden Age" is a good modern example with Felipe II being portrayed as a religious fanatic constantly praying and holding a rosary while walking bowlegged spouting villainous dialogue and Spain shown as Mordor.

Naturally this is bullshit. She explains how the English and the Dutch created the black legend during the war of 80 years while whitewashing their own colonial projects.

!latinx this is what the anglos believe

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Growing up I sometimes did enjoy that we were always portrayed as all powerful baddies. :marseyevilgrin:

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How do you do my fellow European Spaniards

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!eurochads This guy :marseyemojismilemouthtighteyes:

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I'm a white American, it's my wife that's Filipina. I posted pictures with my hand on @Miserere_Mei_Deus :marseyindignant:

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>American

>Praises Sea Mexico

My mistake he belongs with !coomers :marseykneel:

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But seriously though, I love Elizabeth I history but hated how the film slandered Felipe II.

He was one of the best Kings Spain had (technically King of Castile and Aragon), he reigned for 42 years and while a devout catholic he wasn't a religious zealot. He was a patron of arts and science and opened a bunch of academies for the teaching of cartography, mathematics, astronomy (where they would teach the copernican model as well) and even ethnic studies (indigenous languages, history and culture that was being compiled in the New World realms).

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He was also king of Portugal

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Yes, and he loved Portugal and was fluent in Portuguese, he was the only among the "Filipinos" to care for the country

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Pirates of the Caribbean has the most flattering and based portrayal of Spaniards in Hollywood

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:buenpost: If Britain was based :marseymid: the Spaniards are the heroes of European history. Especially given that without them Christendom would've fallen to the muzzies. :marseyconquistadorlove::marseyconquistadorlove::marseyconquistadorlove:

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But Charles Martell was the one who stopped the muzzies at Poitiers.

The House of Habsburg also played a huge role in stopping the ottomans 900 years later.

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It's really incredible how much misinfo :marseymisinformation: :marseydeception: was created just to dunk on Popecels that your average Anglo actually believes to this day. The black legend, that the Catholic Church murdered Galileo for the heliocentric model, that people thought the earth was flat before 1492… there's more too

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>Be Spain

>Invade England

Why don't they like us?

:#ericandre:

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I learned about leyenda negra from Immortal Technique, also that it's true

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So true good chap :marseytea:

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