EFFORTPOST The Myth of Plastic Recycling :marseyrecycling: :marseyrecycling: :marseyrecycling:

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I have long since known about the impracticality of Plastic Recycling, but i found a good video addressing this issue in a comparative short and summarized format. (15 minutes)

The point of this video and my own belief is not to be an anti-recycling advocate or propagate anti-green sentiment propaganda. I and the video creator still believe we should in fact recycle to the greatest extent possible, but that we should also become fully aware of the horrifying reality standing before us - and that is that plastic has never, even since its inception in the early 1920s been capable of being recycled in any economical or environmentally sustainable sense meaningfully.

There are a great multitude of barriers to complete practical plastic recycling - including economical, practical and physical science related impossible reasons.

For economical reasons, it is because most nation states upon the earth subsidize any plastic or fossil fuel industry they may have, since these are astronomically critical sectors of economy and society, these subsidies

tend to compete painfully against any industry which must consider even the feasibly recycled resin or raw virgin plastic, against fossil remains/oil products from which plastic originates, and often recycled plastic (which contains the cost of labor intensive manpower) loses out.


Now there are industries in places like :marseyflagsouthafrica: South Africa :marseyflagsouthafrica: which have edged out a niche in recycling plastic which can meaningfully be recycled and done so in an economically viable manner. We even have a pretty decent organization advocating this issue- though obviously they sure as shit don't hold any real power or influence. But they do actually highlight and underline the most critical issues we face and actually attempt to offer pratical solutions.

This surprised me as Green hippie types are usually very prone to offer and champion noble but impractically insane idealized solutions.

https://www.plasticrecyclingsa.co.za/

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They actually have a practical grasp upon our declining situations and even attempt understand the practical reality where we have lots of "trash pickers" people who hunt in junkyards for plastic, or pilfer through peoples trash bags before they can be picked up by trash lorries, so that they might fill their giant bags with plastic for recycling plants in the big cities.

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https://www.news24.com/citypress/news/sas-itinerant-waste-pickers-feel-the-pinch-as-covid-19-lockdown-drags-on-20200423

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It's very unglamorous, but many poor safricans make a living from this.

https://www.reuters.com/sustainability/society-equity/how-waste-pickers-are-helping-win-war-plastic-pollution-2023-07-17/

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Now I sure as heck won't be like this Reuters article and claim that our "waste-picker" economy is "winning the war against plastic waste" or anything, but it does actually help in the grand scale of things. Where the average plastic by tons on the global stage is recycled at the pitiable 5% on average, south africa has been recycling at between 7,5% - 15% of our plastic waste (still pitafle but above global average)

However, even this recycling economy, supported on the backs and efforts of "waste-pickers", is only really feasible BECAUSE south africa is so brokenshit poor, and has at least a 25% unemployment rate - meaning that because safricans are so poor and desperate, they are willing to do the most unenviable and difficult jobs of being waste-pickers, which is basically the lowest rung of even south african society.

whereas richer places like Burgerland in all its wealth would find it impossible to compete, trash-pickers or trash-sorters would have to be paid at least minimum wages or have safety regulations against them being exposed to biohazards from junkyards or landfills - in safrica we are so poor, the concept of even regulating trash-pickers here in nonexistent because they are borderline beggers.

Thus even with the economic incentive of not starving, safrica still only manages to collect a tenth of our plastic waste - the rest is dumped in landfills if even that.


THE IMPRATICALITY OF RECYCLING PLASTIC: WHY IS IT HARD?

I go on this Safrican tangent to make you guys realize the sheer magnitude of problems involving ACTUAL recycling plastic, and the logistical barriers that would be involved at every step.

Like the video goes on to explain: Why is it so hard to recycle trash and plastic?

1. There are different types of plastic

https://www.plasticsforchange.org/blog/different-types-of-plastic

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When plastic products are created, they are chemically created with different additives, to give them specific properties - like waterbottles being watertight and firm. Other plastics like plastic bags are intentionally made to be bending and malleable.

Mixing these different shit into one giant recycling cauldron :marseyrecycling: :marseyrecycling: :marseyrecycling: and trying to melt them together into one magic giant bar of resin is worthless, because the combined product of plastics with different properties or chemical makeup just generates worthless plastic goop and gunk, worth only as burnable coal.

2nd hand plastic will just never have the same versatility as "virgin" resin plastic, or plastic generated directly from oil and other fossil fuel products.

Thus to meaningfully recycle any plastic shit, you need to sort them - which is a logistical task of great magnitude and WILL require human hands, no factory can in any meaningful sense sort plastic magically into the different types and even if those plastic is recyclable.


2. Many plastics are chemically bonded with other material on the molecular level, making them unsuitable for recycling.

https://stories.undp.org/why-arent-we-recycling-more-plastic

Many plastic products also contain metal, carton, paper and polystyrene which are often impractically impossible to separate.

3. Recycling also degrades plastic with each recycling cycle

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4. Contamination with food remains and chemicals.

Plastic containers for food and poison or cleaning chemicals also cannot be used in recycling for most plants as there are often no meaningful manner in which to separate toxic chemicals from these plastics which will remain even after the furnace of the recycling plant's processing. So basically bottles holding ratpoison or floor cleaning liquid are for safety already almost never capable of being reused EVER.

https://nilu.com/2020/02/can-we-recycle-plastic-without-recycling-the-toxic-pollutants-as-well/

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https://www.sulapac.com/blog/truth-about-plastic-recycling/

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"When plastics are recycled, they can contain a toxic cocktail of chemicals that makes them unfit for food-grade and other consumer uses. Dangerous chemicals make their way into recycled plastic materials from a variety of sources. Greenpeace has identified the following three 'uncontrollable poisonous pathways':

Toxic chemicals in new virgin plastic materials: When plastics are made with toxic chemicals and then recycled, the toxic chemicals can transfer into the recycled plastics."


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I don't know if I have any grand point to make in this post, and it's not my intention of just putting forth a pessimistic doompost :marseydoomer: :doomer: :doomerfemjak: :dinodoomer: with no viable solutions to our global frickup.

But I did want to talk to you darmatards regarding the mammoth nature of the task before us, if we as humanity even decides to ever make plastic recycling a priority. :marseyrecycling:

I recall a funny story in my time at UCT (Univericity of Cape Town) :marseyklennyreading: where every year there were perpetual campaigns by hippes and other environmentalists with new and improved plans involving the University to improve our carbon footprint :marseyfeet: and lower our waste in the form of recycling.

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On campus there would be these fancy multi-bins, divided into categories for waste disposal: plastic, paper, metal, food, ect. There would be Green :marseywatermelon: :marseysouthernbelle7: propaganda campaigns, slogans and posters, encouraging peeps to responsibly think before they threw their trash into the bin, and help sorting our trash for recycling plants in the city.

The end of that year I saw a trash lorry come in and the garbage-men would just simply dump the fricking bins into the garbage-lorry, mixing the carefully sorted bins with apathetic abandon :marseybeanannoyed: :marseybeanannoyed: :marseybeanannoyed: clearly undoing most of our efforts through the year regularly

https://www.news.uct.ac.za/article/-2021-03-05-installation-of-new-bins-part-of-ucts-green-campus-transformation

Later UCT would correct this and make sure to employ palstic/metal recyling collectors to come and pick up the intended recycle shit, and give the food-waste and non-recyclables to the regular trash-lorries :marseyitsallsotiresome:

Additionally safrican students tend to be r-slurred and the 4 bin project eventually got scraped for a two bin, for recyclables and non-recyclables cuz students kept throwing paper into the metal bins or vice versa, but even this STILL GOT FRICKED UP :marseytrollcrazy:


Anyways regular soft drink bottles like coke :marseypepsi: :marseyokaycoke: bottles which are uniform type plastic and don't contain poison are still very practical to collect and recycle just like tin cans, this post is just to highlight the magnitude of the practicality of the recylcing problem.

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As plastic and it's effects on the human body become better understood, the USA might have another asbestos moment and try to reduce using it as much as possible. Wouldn't surprise me if we pivoted towards biodegradable packaging (over the span of decades). The US has already started to use compost/food waste and many municipalities are looking at water recycling, better plastic recycling is another thing that progress is being made with.

The real crisis is with countries like China and the Philippines that just dump it into the ocean.

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Philippines number one!

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:#marseymonke:

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This is the real blackpill. If Europe, both Americas and Africa all phased out all plastic tomorrow and produced 0 waste, you'd only make a dent into the global polution stats as you still have China, India, Philippines, Indonesia etc which absolutely cuck everyone else.

And this is a universal law not exclusive to plastic, if you look at other types of polutants or emissions it's almost always the same

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Chuddies have been consulting the star charts for this for a while. !chuds

If you look closely at demographic data worldwide, you'll find something interesting: Europeans are not the only ones suffering birth rate collapse. In fact, the third world is in worse trouble than we are, and demographic trends will look very different by the end of this century than they do now.

https://imperiumpress.substack.com/p/the-third-world-is-going-to-cop-it-b9e

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Yeah they just legitimately don't give a shit lol. I try pointing this out to my liberal friends whenever they're getting all "environmental" about shit, especially when it comes to global issues like CO2 pollution, that unless we can convince China to "play ball" then nothing they do matters. But they just don't get it. They think these countries will join some international climate accord but they won't, or at least they won't actually follow the rules because nobody is forcing them to.

Sometimes I think nuking China and/or India would be the best thing to do for the environment but I try to keep those intrusive thoughts hidden.

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The cope I've seen is that whites are creating the demand which doesn't explain the country's own consumption and subsequent dumping. It's tiresome.

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Usually i see "but historically the west has done the most pollution :marseyseethe: BIPOCs have the right to pollute otherwise the west has just gained an unfair advantage and the poor oppressed BIPOCs have to pay for it :soycry:

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China is building or planning to build like 50 nuclear plants

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Glass them, simple as. Humanity can survive without 2.5 billion scammers

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But who will make my wolt deliveries then? :marseychonker2:

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Honestly I mostly get west Asians these days.

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And that's why you have to get rid of your plastic straw

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:marseypearlclutch: Those greasy Pinoy c*nts!


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Thats r-slurred. I'll bet you 10,000 dramacoin :marseycoin: that we won't stop using plastics in consumer products within your lifetime

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SEA is famous for its plastic use but I always remember hearing that the US ships off a lot of its plastics to places like the Phillipines for 'recycling/disposal' and that's part of the reason they have such a big share compared to other similar countries.

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The Myth of South Africa

Kaamrev made it up :marseyflagsouthafrica:

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What fakeass country would just call itself after a direction on a continent, that would be like calling yourself North-America or something :marseyclueless: :marseyclueless: :marseyclueless:

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:marseyflagnorthkorea: :marseyflagnorthmacedonia: :marseyflagnortherncyprus: :marseyflagsouthkorea: :marseyflagsouthossetia: :marseyflageasttimor: :marseyflagwesternsahara::#marseyspitmoji:

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Notice how none of thrm are real countries? :marseysmu#g2:

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>:marseyflagnorthkorea:

only real korea

>:marseyflagnorthmacedonia:

gayreks forced them to add north

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not real state, part of :marseyturkroach: they pretend is a state for diplomatic reasons

>:marseyflagsouthkorea:

See :marseyflagnorthkorea:

>:marseyflagsouthossetia:

not real state, part of :ziggerseethe: they pretend is a state for diplomatic reasons

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!chemistry must read thread of the month!

The end of that year I saw a trash lorry come in and the garbage-men would just simply dump the fricking bins into the garbage-lorry, mixing the carefully sorted bins with apathetic abandon :marseybeanannoyed: :marseybeanannoyed: :marseybeanannoyed: clearly undoing most of our efforts through the year regularly

Reminds me of seeing the recycle bin of the student residence where the recycle bins which claims to separate each type of trash are actually just a large rubbish bin with no separation. :marseyannoyed:

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Bongs are so cucked with their 7 different bins


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no way really?

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Trash

Food/compost

Paper

Plastique

Metal (ferrous)

Metal (non-ferrous)

Unloicensed waste


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didnt really read but i heard that cans cant be recycled if there's liquid in them and it might taint the whole bin lol

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I don't know enough about that to comment in general, but tin recycle plants here have to wash the things in giant swimming pool like vats in water, and that shit takes massive cost and time, and i think they all closed

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over here we have huge recycling bins where you can throw different types of recyclables in them (no need to separate them by material) so i'm not sure how they got it to work

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i'm sure people throw random shit in them too lmao

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I used to empty those bottle/can machines as a young lad for work, it was truly worse than the holocaust :marseygas:

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They ship it to a third world country where it's sorted by peasant slaves.

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They can separate plastics by density

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ya but if u look closely you can dump plastics, paper, glass and metal in it

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Glass :marseyjar: is separated by density. Steel is separated by magnetism. Aluminum is separated by eddy currents. Paper :marseymap2: is separated by water :marseylongsurfing: solubility and density.

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:#marseybigbrain:

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Ikr

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Magnets


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With aluminum or iron, it's worth it to recycle because making the stuff from scratch takes immense amounts of energy. (Neither exists in metallic form in nature, except for small amounts in asteroids and stuff.)

Other recyclables are iffier. Landfills are fine. Burning is fine.

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:#marseyraging: did you just mix the polyurethane with the polyethylene grabage?!

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Just throw it in the ocean it's not that hard :marseyfacepalm:

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:marseyflagchina: :marseyflagphillipines: :marseyflagindia:

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NYC and Singapore just burns its trash to produce energy then retrieved the metals for recycling. All large cities should do that instead of landfills. If you filter the ash you can even use that for fertilizer.

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There's corpo research research groups that are trying to extract precious metals and trace minerals from our poo to recycle. Apparently an average city has potentially millions worth of metals in human waste.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/speaking-of-science/wp/2015/03/23/your-poop-could-be-a-literal-goldmine-of-precious-metals/

There's others where people found bacteria in mines and ore veins that actually leeched gold and other metals in their metabolic process. Now they're trying to figure out a way to Industrialise them in ore processing and recycling.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/wbna29915669

https://phys.org/news/2018-02-bacteria-gold-digesting-toxic-metals.html

!chuds !chemistry :marseychemist:

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And then she called off the engagement when she found out the ring was poo gold :#marseygossipsmug:

:marseygiggle::marseygiggle::marseygiggle:

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:#marseysal:

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And we are upcycling our microplastics into humans.

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Me and my fellow plastic supporters when the process is finished

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Sorting plastic is an easy job for unskilled r-slurs

Mashing everything into a mystery meat composition still has tons of uses where strength and appearance aren't critical, like pretty much any place where Styrofoam is used (notwithstanding weight) or filler.


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We have bricks for that :marseybrick:

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So lemme spell this out

In some situations, it's perfectly acceptable to make the bricks out of plastic goo.

A utility shed does not need to be as strong as an apartment complex.


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Not if I make it a tiny :marseytiny5: home. :marseyindignant:

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I collect my 3D printer waste so that I can recycle it into new filament

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welcome back jesus :marseycheerup:

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that's all well and good, but when was the last time you got any kitty?

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im gay

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:marseychonkern#oticeme:

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All i remember about him is his hairline sucks. Did he go bald yet?

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It's ironic that plastic is probably the greatest material ever created by mankind, yet it is going to kill us all. I suppose you can only be resigned to it

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I'm eating so much of it I'm gonna evolve like that new Cronenberg movie Crimes of the Future

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:marseycry:

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I read all of this

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I swear there must be hundreds and hundreds of documentaries made in the last 20 years from all over the world about how recycling is a bunch of bullshit but nothing ever changes

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there is value in recycling, but the issue is that its effects is perpetually overhyped

and since its usually young peeps coming in to replace the champions of green energy, that the lesson needs to be constantly relearned

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If it fits in the can, it goes in the can; if it doesn't, it goes on the side of the road.

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This is science denialism and thus a threat too democracy.

black lives matter

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