(TOTAL SHITSHOW) THE TRADCATH MAGA COMMUNIST /POL/SHEVIKS OF /R/STUPIDPOL MALFUNCTION OVER BRAPZIL BANNING XITTER AND FIGHTING BALLMUSK, BASED NATIONAL-MARXISTS ARE NOT SURE IF THEY SHOULD SIDE WITH AN AMERICAN BILLIONAIRE OR AN AUTHORITARIAN JUDGE WHO HATES VPNS, A LOT OF 
IN WHAT IS PROBABLY THE MOST SEETHEMAXXED THREAD ON STUPIDPOL IN A LONG TIME, I CANT EVEN EFFORTPOST CAUSE ITS TOO MUCH, ARCHIVE THE COMMENTS BEFORE THE JANNIES COME
https://old.reddit.com/r/stupidpol/comments/1f5bf6i/judge_suspends_x_platform_in_brazil_amid_feud/
On this thread you have:
1. Subreddit tourists absolutely infest the thread and write shitloads of comments with the neurodivergents from the sub over le deplatform Nazis, saying that they're not Marxists and should just admit that they're terminal chud contrarians who oppose current thing, but are not full-blown race realists yet
2. Stupidpolcels love BRICS, but forget that Lulneurodivergent is (currently) allied to judge AleCHADre de GODraes that wants to prosecute those who use VPNs to use Xitter, are you criticizing our third world warriors fighting for a multipolar world against AmeriNATOukrozionazis, comrade? 
3. The absolute state that what was once the subreddit with the biggest user overlap with /r/Drama 
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The absolute state of society when we're having arguments on whether the billionaire narcissist or the corrupt judge is right in banning a shitty fricking app that pretends to be some forum of absolute free speech when it's just a reactionary factory of actual fake news and the worst isms you can think of.
Frick Musk and frick Moraes. Freedom of speech isn't a binary. There's not such thing as absolute free speech. We never had it, and we never will. Twitter is a shit app and anyone pretending that it is, or rather, should be, the main forum of free speech is an absolute r-slur.
But this all betrays the two most important points to take from this debacle. On one hand, the nature and power of trans/multinational corporations and actors who hold so much power and influence over our politics, economy and culture, who aren't beholden to anyone or anything but themselves and a faceless cabal of investors and shareholders. On the other hand, the increasingly more authoritarian measures by so called "liberal democracies" in capitalist states as they struggle to keep all avenues of dissent and opposition to their rotten, decaying system in check.
Congratulations, we're arriving at the prelude to actual, unironic Fascism (genuinely). Expect more and more of these debacles and clashes as we go forward. More Capitalist overreach and erosion of our borrowed liberties and freedoms. The rich will get richer, the police state will grow stronger and we'll grow poorer and less free as the mask of liberal democracy continues to slip.
And don't think even for a second that they won't, eventually, completely rob us of the internet and the freedom it gave us to express ourselves. Capital will engulf all and everything in due time to protect itself, like an organism fighting for its life.
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No one is saying anything remotely like this
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Its owner believes so and so do a whole lot of his sycophants. The man also hasn't been exactly shy about his plans to turn X into an "everything app" and turning X into THE virtual public square.
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What then is the main forum of free speech, in your opinion?
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BUT ITS DANGEROUS
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There is none, so far.
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good thing we at least have
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Eh, more of a curse than a blessing at this point.
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Yeah so? Just dont use it neighbor wtf
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Darn, you're really mad over this, but thanks for the effort you put into typing that all out! Sadly I won't read it at all.
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All of these states just want to try and wield power against what they see as American forces. The EU does this constantly against american tech companies, Canada tried it against Meta because Trudeau loves copying EU policy and got told to frick off. I'd rather have states mad and crying that they can't control social media than some neurodivergent r-slur getting cucked tbh
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The decision was almost exclusively taken by Moraes, the supreme court judge, not Lula. Alexandre de Moraes is not a socialist, far from it. But that's besides the point, really. The point is that trans/multinational corporations and actors like Musk are way too fricking powerful and answer to no one but themselves and their financiers, and the fact that liberal democracies are increasingly becoming more and more reactionary and resorting to authoritarian measures to either, suppress, censor or outright silence voices as they struggle to control speech on the internet which runs contrary to the interests of their ruling classes. They will give you many reasons as to why they're resorting to these draconian measures but the main objective is but one, total control over the flow of information, and not just the virtual kind either. The whole "fighting extremism/fake news/racism/etc." excuse is just a red herring.
So now we're stuck between a rock and a hard place. On one side we have multibillionaires with their techno fiefdoms, privatizing more and more of the internet to themselves, and amassing immense power over the flow of information, the economy, politics and our culture. On the other side we have liberal democracies and their ruling classes increasingly more desperate to employ authoritarian and draconian measures to control the flow of information, in the process depriving us of our liberties and freedoms on trumped-up charges.
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You had a chance to not be completely worthless, but it looks like you threw it away. At least you're consistent.
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I don't want them to answer to tyrants. What's the upside of that?
The problem with giant tech companies is that they're monopolistic: X (and FB, and Insta, Reddit, Apple msg...) should be turned into open protocols like email. Or at least offer a compatibility to open protocols. But that would make tyrannical censorship even harder, so no government is interested in that.
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Just don't use Twitter neighbor π€£π€£π€£π€£
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Lol
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Lol.
It's so funny seeing leftoids shit on supposed neolibs while spouting HuffPo-tier takes like "Le fake news is leading us to Real Existing Fasicism".
I bet this r-slur posts on /r/LateStageCapitalism with the rest of the online commie mouthbreathers.
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Yeah, absolutely, unironically.
Reactionary fake news is just one factor, not the main one. But it's interesting you suggest these "le fake news" are not real or don't have an impact in our society when just a few weeks ago we had a few thousand rightoid troglodytes chimp out in the UK because they read on X and Facebook that it was a Muslim immigrant that had stabbed children, leading to race riots. When even the actual owner of X straight up entertains and promotes shit like "le great replacement theory is real and (((they))) are behind it", or the "Great Reset" nonsense that our elites are totally gonna create a Socialist world order
. This is a man with tens of millions of sycophants by his side and with an audience in the billions.
We have political parties whose campaign slogans take word for word these r-slurred conspiracies into their political programs getting in or close to power all over Europe. The fricking AfD, a party filled to the brim with honest to God Nazis, just won a German state election today campaigning on these same r-slurred, reactionary views and conspiracies. So I'm sorry for being a little bit worried that our society seems to be heading into the shitter, in no small part thanks to these reactionary factories and actors like X and Musk.
If you don't see the sheer reactionary nature of X under Musk then it's because you're either blind and ignorant to it, or you're one of the midwits that takes part in his technochud crusade.
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X is just a communication platform, nobody is forced at gun point to use it or pay a fine (one year's worth of their nation's per capita GDP). If you don't like to communicate freely with other people you can simply not do that.
The tyrant of brazil has infinitely more power over his subjects. He can deprive them of all their rights if he so chooses.
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The problem is how these communication platforms like X and Facebook dominate the flow of information. This is a case of yes, you can technically live without a cell/smartphone today but it's going to be awfully unpractical and will exclude you (or make it very hard) from participating in several, important forums and institutions of our society. If you want to have a presence online you need to use these corporations and their sites/apps.
The solution in your other comment is exactly what I want, too.
I mean yeah, naturally.
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A good government serves its people. This can only be ensured if the people can freely choose their government. And this in turn is only possible if the people can freely form their opinions.
They must be uncensored exactly because they dominate the flow of information.
Uhm.. by "open protocol" I don't mean a protocol that is controlled by the judge-king tyrant of brazil.
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This is a lofty ideal but unfortunately it can't, or rather, isn't allowed to, work in liberal democracy. The game is rigged and our supposed rights only exist and are as tangible as the interests of the ruling classes allow. Therefore, they're not real rights, for the underlying interests behind them are not our own.
I'm not asking for their censorship. Especially considering who would be doing the censorship. I want these forums to be truly public and free. Not owned by narcissistic billionaires with reactionary agendas while at the same time pretending to be a haven of absolute free speech.
I don't mean that either. I'm all about open-source protocols and complete transparency not beholden to any actor be it state or private. For me the internet holds the greatest potential in the pursuit of true, universal emancipation. But that potential is being systematically eroded and chipped away at. Unfortunately this seems to be a losing battle.
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No matter how rigged the game is, enabling the government to hide and punish inconvenient discourse makes it a lot worse.
Really? It seemed to me like you want the judge-king of Brazil to ban his subjects from X under penalty of an average annual income.
Things could be better, but discourse on X/twitter is currently far more free than it was before Musk bought it.
The issues that I suspect you have with X would also arise in a fully decentralized version of it.
I'm optimistic about decentralization. But it's difficult.
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Yeah, almost certainly. Though I don't think they'd be as pronounced.
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Have you owned the libs yet?
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