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Psychiatrycels discuss the mayo foid illness fakers / trans question. There's a really good comment from a yt woman explaining what's happening.

https://old.reddit.com/r/Psychiatry/comments/1fh6oya/why_am_i_seeing_an_increase_in_patients_with_the/

Seen here

https://old.reddit.com/r/redscarepod/comments/1fl8vsz/_/

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Other discussions

https://old.reddit.com/r/4tran4/comments/1fkjvvg/wake_up_babe_new_female_hysteria_diagnosis_just/

https://old.reddit.com/r/DrWillPowers/comments/1fj2osd/why_am_i_seeing_an_increase_in_patients_with_the/

I haven't read through those yet. Probably some good cope and seethe. But here's the yt Queen explaining what's going on with these crackas. Basically what many of us say on here daily, but she explains it very well :marseyembrace:

https://old.reddit.com/r/Psychiatry/comments/1fh6oya/why_am_i_seeing_an_increase_in_patients_with_the/ln7y1ij/?context=8

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What about socioeconomic commonalities? Are any of these pts verbalizing dissatisfaction with their living situations, finances, etc.? Are they in toxic or distressing situations? Are they physically socially isolated and most of their human interaction is in digital spaces? Do they have meaningful relationships, hobbies, interests, careers?

Also, have you seen /r/illnessfakers?

I am NOT saying your patients are faking or that anyone is faking. But I think online information has influenced a cohort of dissatisfied and somewhat distressed "walking well" (primarily) women into seeking an identity that simultaneously offers them the dichotomy of fitting in (now they're part of the "sick" community) as well as a sense of otherness (being "different" for having a collection of Dx and all that entails on paper). It's attention seeking but also validating as various symptoms, emotional outbursts, difficult behavior can be filed under the heading of ____ Dx, and if the patient chooses not to adjust behavior, make lifestyle changes, or learn to cope, now they can just blame the Dx.

Some of these patients genuinely feel unhappy, dissatisfied, and are physically unwell. They feel tired, unmotivated, and vaguely hopeless. Many of them are sedentary and stopped playing youth sports (which was helpful when they were younger for myriad reasons). They don't have long term goals or ambitious prospects. They're lonely, usually isolated, and are seeking explanations for why day-to-day life feels difficult and why they can't get along.

The label of a Dx provides entry into a new community. A sense of purpose, belonging, and a reason that can be named to explain / blame any unpleasant behavior or personality issues.

I think this type of patient suggests a larger societal problem where we are raising young people who feel hopeless, overwhelmed, anxious, and alone, are desperate for inclusion but also desperate to be "special."

One of my colleagues says that we've solved many of life's major problems but human wiring hasn't caught up. Most of these patients have always had access to clean water, safe, reliable shelter and food, and have not been raised in a war zone. Decent, average family, free from abuse or any extreme situation. No history of trauma. But human development is based on problem solving and we evolved with fear and anxiety responses to keep up safe and alert. Without "real problems" to solve or "real danger" to evade, modern minds are over analyzing and over worrying about small issues and evoking anxiety type responses. Thus, that one time a person felt dizzy becomes a new complaint and they end up seeing three specialists about it and they develop anxiety about it happening again or signifying a more serious problem. In absence of bigger issues to stress over, minor issues get over emphasized. In a world where medical professionals are beholden to insurance and admin, and terrified of getting sued, it's easier to order more tests and send this person down the path of validation as some diagnosis will eventually be met with the excessive workup.

I think a lot of people want an identity of having overcome a struggle without having faced an actual struggle. It's cool to have overcome hardship. White women from middle class families aren't special now but being "sick" makes you special. It also offers entry into supportive, welcoming spaces and for someone seeking a sense of belonging and otherness, with a reason to explain / excuse shitty behavior, it's ideal. It's the super Walmart of maladaptive coping, it has everything.

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Can we put this Queen in charge of the mayo foid labor camps? She can :marseycracka: them into shape.

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!illnessfakers ping group has been created thanks to the God @The10thManAlt

Join if you like posts about these Queens. @FrozenChosen @_userName I think you gals have posted illness fakers before.

Only true illness enjoyers though. No group spammers :marseyprotestno:

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This is why.

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LMAO

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I think I've been in that basement.

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Even the "LE EPIC EXPLANATION" Is white woman apologia. We need too murder them all

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:#marseysmughips: How? I liked it :marseyindignant:

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It says that society is at fault for how they feel. It isn't. They are responsible for their emotions. Frick off cute twink

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It says that society is at fault

They didn't say that -- in any sense stronger than a sidewalk being at fault for a skinned knee. They said that society has solved so many problems that the intuitive sense for problem scope many people have is broken, causing them to catastrophize over small things.

Caused by society in some sense? Yes.

Society "at fault"? No.

Normally, this would be a pedantic distinction, but your whole point is that you think the commenter thinks society is a valid excuse. But, the rest of their comment makes it clear that they don't think that. They actually think the medical establishment inappropriately coddles that notion in patients and has incentives to do so.

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Yeah but we still need to murder :#marseymerchantfoid:s

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Be nice please :marseytears:

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Sorry cute twink :( I hope you have a good day n_n

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:marseyembrace: :marseythanks: You too :marseyslurpfast:

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It's like BIPOCs are created by shitty communities. Pointing out that's no excuse and the parents suck doesn't fix the problem.

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That's because there is no fix for the problem. Maybe eugenics, but that's a nonstarter

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Even then eugenics needs to point to actual intelligence and behavior genes in a well-defined manner or else it's just more results based social science trying to masquerade as hard science.

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We don't need to do that. Biology has plenty of examples of eugenics. Look at the fox domestication project in Russia for instance. Why wouldn't selective breeding work on humans like other animals?

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I thought she said that they were just bored fatties who latched onto someone else's narrative to justify being r-slurred.

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And what caused this historical diminishment in personal responsibility?

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Estrogen

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Lack of beatings

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And :#rape:

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Hmmm what part of that comment made you think this?

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Idk I think we need to rethink the women hysteria diagnosis once more

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:#marseyextinction:

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What about socioeconomic commonalities?

Middle class white women come in with least real world problems imaginable and they wonder "what about socioeconomics?"

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That makes sense though. If they come from a rich family or have a rich husband that will exacerbate their sense of pointlessness since they have everything they need. Or it could make them feel guilty for being so well off so they start looking for ways to appear "downtrodden."

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Still waiting for women to declare "we are all joking, it was all a prank, we're not really crazy haha" and everything to turn back to normal haha

Year 2bn but still hopeful

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ban birth control pills and a lot will become shockingly chill and normal :marseyschizowall:

the progestin + estrogen puts many women into a perma-nesting territorial mode where they want to fight everyone

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Your brain is so rotten from seeing "socioeconomics" used here as a euphemism for "poor and anti-social" that you don't seem to realize that it also means groups like rich white foids.

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least real world problems imaginable

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21st century white women really have re-invented ennui.

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>One of _my_ colleagues says that we've solved many of life's major problems but human wiring hasn't caught up. Most of these patients have always had access too clean water, safe, reliable shelter and food, and have not been raised in a war zone. Decent, average family, free from abuse or any extreme situation. No history of trauma. But human development is based on problem solving and we evolved with fear and anxiety responses too keep up safe and alert. Without "real problems" too solve or "real danger" too evade, modern minds are over analyzing and over worrying about small issues and evoking anxiety type responses. Thus, that one time a person felt dizzy becomes a new complaint and they end up seeing three specialists about it and they develop anxiety about it happening again or signifying a more serious problem. In absence of bigger issues too stress over, minor issues get over emphasized. In a world where medical professionals are beholden too insurance and admin, and terrified of getting sued, it's easier too order more tests and send this person down the path of validation as some diagnosis will eventually be met with the excessive workup.

I have read this somewhere? :#marseymath:

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For almost all of our evolutionary development humans were pretty much covered in bacteria, viruses, and parasitic worms. Velasquez-Manoff refers to this group as "old friends." These are different from the disease-causing bugs we vaccinate against; we got those much later in our evolutionary development, from the animals we domesticated, and Velasquez-Manoff is clear in his insistence that vaccinating against them is necessary and good.

But finding a way to achieve some sort of truce with "old friends" was the immune system's essential and constant job throughout our co-evolution. It is only after the sanitary reforms of the early nineteenth century that we suddenly find ourselves in an environment relatively purged of microbes, and these protective genes may be a liability in that environment, rather than an asset.

The Hygiene Hypothesis

A simplistic view of the hygiene hypothesis is that in the absence of something dangerous to fight against—the cholera toxin, for example—immune cells get confused, or bored, and fight against harmless stimuli like dust mites and peanuts instead. But there is a more nuanced view. Our immune systems co-evolved with an enormous community of microbes, and were in fact shaped by them. Many became established, long-term, and vital residents in our guts; the importance, and in fact the very existence, of these commensals has only recently been realized.

Constant exposure to all of these bugs, as a unit, enhanced the regulatory arm of the immune system, modulating responses so that we could tolerate the filthy environment in which we lived while at the same time (hopefully) fighting off those pathogens that posed a mortal threat and not destroying our own bodies in that process. In the martial analogy that is inevitable in discussing immunology, ancient human immune cells that were always surrounded by microbes were like battle-hardened old soldiers who have learned the ability to watch warily when encountering something new, waiting to see whether or not it is dangerous; modern immune cells raised in our hyper-sanitized environment are like new recruits just given their first gun, testy and jumpy at the first hint of a threat and liable to blow up their surroundings in inappropriately directed and outsized force. Experience has not taught them moderation.

On the molecular level, immune cells in the dirty old days made more anti-inflammatory signaling molecules; now, our cells make predominantly pro-inflammatory signals.

Autoimmune diseases are currently thought to arise from an interplay of genetic and environmental factors, notably stress. Some have argued that this means genes are everything, because what modern human doesn't have stress in his life? Only those genetically primed go on to develop disease.

But Velasquez-Manoff takes us to Sardinia to upend this argument. Sardinians are an isolated, inbred group, and they have experienced a twin epidemic of multiple sclerosis and type I diabetes, both autoimmune diseases, in the past sixty years—ever since they got rid of malaria. For the past few thousand years, those Sardinians that were genetically resistant to the malaria parasite survived; those that were not did not. The relentless presence of malaria in their environment shaped their genomes.

And then when malaria was suddenly removed, its lack may have allowed the immune system's underlying protective feature to go into overdrive. A similar, if less dramatic, trajectory of events could explain how the removal of most of our "old friends," but especially the worms, uncovered underlying genetic tendencies that only yield autoimmune and allergic disorders in our modern context.

Parasitic worms also seem to be significant regulators of the immune system, able to elicit just the right balance of ferocity and temperance. Deworming campaigns the world over are promptly and predictably followed by increases in asthma and allergy, and the degree of allergy in a society is inversely proportional to how wormy and dirty it is. Hence, people suffering from allergies and autoimmune diseases are now infecting themselves with hookworms, which—on an anecdotal level at least—has alleviated maladies ranging from MS to autism to celiac disease.

Yes, he includes autism in the list of modern diseases caused by our out-of-whack immune systems. Along with other cases where immune dysfunction hasn't been established, like obesity, cardiovascular disease, type 2 diabetes, and cancer.

The sanitary reforms of the mid-nineteenth century, along with the germ theory of disease and the vaccines and antibiotics it precipitated, were undoubtedly an enormous medical coup that largely eliminated the infectious diseases that had formerly killed a quarter of the population by age one. We no longer live in fear of the Black Death or similar medieval scourges that killed millions.

But along with these breakthroughs came the idea that all microbes are all bad, which yielded needlessly antibiotic soap and sanitary covers for toddlers sitting in shopping carts. The backlash, that we need to get to know and love the microbiota inhabiting our guts, is yielding Brooklyn hipsters who brew their own kombucha and the very unfortunate anti-vaccine movement. This book argues that microbes are neither good nor bad, but can be either or both depending on the context in which we encounter them. And the real cause of the allergy and autoimmune epidemic is that we have severely screwed up that context, both inside our guts and outside in the rest of the environment.

!bookworms It's all connected? https://media.tenor.com/4LvAD8hD5tcAAAAx/charlie-day.webp

@ObamaBinLaden say this as a feminist ally

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:#marseymindblown:

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Is that book any good bb?

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Yes!

@ObamaBinLaden say this as a feminist ally

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explanation is repetitive but her colleague's argument is ripped from Kaczynski's manifesto about surrogate activities. /u/buffalorosie remember to ask what your coworker thinks about bombing AI centers

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You never heard of eugenics bruh

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this, Pope Francis says so in his encyclical on the environment (Laudato Si)

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What should the intersection between misogyny and anti whiteness be called, misogyblanc?

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It's called being right

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There's no such thing as anti whiteness because whiteness is privilege

:blackwomanspeaking#:

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Whiteness is not a privilege, it's an affliction and assault on the PoC community.

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I seen several crazy women and one moid claim cpstd as a crutch to explain "original sin"

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:marseyfoidretard: "I was pure and innocent but then trauma occured so if I act in evil ways it was the trauma response and not me 😔 The more psycho and mean I was to get my way, the more serious the cptsd and you should try to console me 🥺 If you're one of the good people "

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Based foid doctor speaking sense

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Almost all isolated, and on disability.

My tax dollars at work :marseyaynrand2:

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>Without "real problems" to solve or "real danger" to evade, modern minds are over analyzing and over worrying about small issues and evoking anxiety type responses

The anime Psychopass was set in a dystopia/"utopia" where crime was non existent and everyone's need were well tended to by the state. People in that world sometimes developed "eustress deficiency" where a lifetime of mollycoddling without hardship left their organism so bereft of stress they just fell into a coma and died

First season of that show was excellent, shame the rest was trash. I think dramatards would enjoy the first villain, Makishima, :marseysociety2: + :marseyfemboy: + :marseygrilling2:

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>Without "real problems" to solve or "real danger" to evade, modern :marseymajorgeneral3: minds are over analyzing and over worrying :marseysweating: about small :marseytiny4: issues and evoking anxiety :marseyworried: type responses

This can even be observed in animals. The smarter breeds of dogs such as shepherds and collies often misbehave or go crazy :marseyantikingkrazy: when they're owned :marseydarkpizzashill: by bimbos who live in a studio apartment in the city because the dogs are hardwired to have a "job" and if they aren't given one or exercised often they go insane.

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