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I'm sure if the pope didn't try and keep everyone illiterate for a few thousand years and gatekeep the bible, then there would be more lay catholics who could read properly and not blaspheme. Then again, the pope is the antichrist. !lutherans

I am an original

Jesus Christ: substance is Son of Man's meat and blood, accidents are bread and wine -> accidents win, you're not a cannibal.

Vegetarian burger: substance veggies, accidents beef and bun -> accidents win, you're not a vegetarian.

If there existed a pseudo-vegetarian burger, that tastes like tofu but is actually animal protein, by your logic eating that would be vegetarian.

That actually makes some sense under the Jewish doctrine of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marit_ayin but it's one heck of a stretch still.

So the "transubstatiation" is spiritual and not about matter?

Also that Marit ayin principle is not absolute and doesn't apply in certain cases. For example, it is known how one rabbi was walking somewhere on a Saturday and suddenly saw a wallet on the ground. However you look at it, picking up the wallet would be work, both by exertion spent and by profit received, so that would be a sin. But rabbi prayed to G-d with all his heart and a miracle happened: in that immediate area the Saturday was momentarily transubstantiated into a Thursday, so the resourceful rabbi quickly picked up the wallet and that was not a sin.

nothing has become more or less obvious with time

Uh huh. Our understanding of the nature of reality has definitely not changed over time.

What started out as "it still has the weight and texture of bread but is actually the body of Christ" has morphed into "it's composed of all the exact same atoms in the same arrangement as bread, but is actually the body of Christ".

Soyience can't disprove miracles categorically

Of course not. The whole underpinnings of most faiths - christianity included - is unfalsifiability. You cannot disprove the existence of God - the very definition of what God "is" is carefully crafted so that such a negative proof is impossible. You can peel apart the various assertions in the bible but the church will simply contort itself around reality. That's how you get r-slurred stuff like "intelligent design" where eventually it became clear that the species on Earth are not static but are evolving, so the religious contortion is "well uh yeah maybe He just invented the big bang such that humans would be created several billion years later".

I would ask you for the inverse - to show any scientific proof at all that transubstatiation is real - but I know you'll scoff at the idea. Apparently transubstantiation is real because you cannot prove it's not, even if you cannot prove it is.

John 6:25-69

When they found him on the other side of the sea, they asked him, "Rabbi, when did you come here?" Jesus answered them, "Most assuredly I tell you, you seek me, not because you saw signs, but because you ate of the loaves, and were filled. Don't work for the food which perishes, but for the food which remains to eternal life, which the Son of Man will give to you. For God the Father has sealed him." They said therefore to him, "What must we do, that we may work the works of God?" Jesus answered them, "This is the work of God, that you believe in him whom he has sent." They said therefore to him, "What then do you do for a sign, that we may see, and believe you? What work do you do? Our fathers ate the manna in the wilderness. As it is written, 'He gave them bread out of heaven{Greek and Hebrew use the same word for "heaven", "the heavens", "the sky", and "the air".} to eat.'" Jesus therefore said to them, "Most assuredly, I tell you, it wasn't Moses who gave you the bread out of heaven, but my Father gives you the true bread out of heaven. For the bread of God is that which comes down out of heaven, and gives life to the world." They said therefore to him, "Lord, always give us this bread." Jesus said to them, "I am the bread of life. He who comes to me will not be hungry, and he who believes in me will never be thirsty. But I told you that you have seen me, and yet you don't believe. All those who the Father gives me will come to me. Him who comes to me I will in no way throw out. For I have come down from heaven, not to do my own will, but the will of him who sent me. This is the will of my Father who sent me, that of all he has given to me I should lose nothing, but should raise him up at the last day. This is the will of the one who sent me, that everyone who sees the Son, and believes in him, should have eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day." The Jews therefore murmured concerning him, because he said, "I am the bread which came down out of heaven." They said, "Isn't this Jesus, the son of Joseph, whose father and mother we know? How then does he say, 'I have come down out of heaven?'" Therefore Jesus answered them, "Don't murmur among yourselves. No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him, and I will raise him up in the last day. It is written in the prophets, 'They will all be taught by God.' Therefore everyone who hears from the Father, and has learned, comes to me. Not that anyone has seen the Father, except he who is from God. He has seen the Father. Most assuredly, I tell you, he who believes in me has eternal life. I am the bread of life. Your fathers ate the manna in the wilderness, and they died. This is the bread which comes down out of heaven, that anyone may eat of it and not die. I am the living bread which came down out of heaven. If anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever. Yes, the bread which I will give for the life of the world is my flesh." The Jews therefore contended with one another, saying, "How can this man give us his flesh to eat?" Jesus therefore said to them, "Most assuredly I tell you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you don't have life in yourselves. He who eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. For my flesh is food indeed, and my blood is drink indeed. He who eats my flesh and drinks my blood lives in me, and I in him. As the living Father sent me, and I live because of the Father; so he who feeds on me, he will also live because of me. This is the bread which came down out of heaven-- not as our fathers ate the manna, and died. He who eats this bread will live forever." These things he said in the synagogue, as he taught in Capernaum. Therefore many of his disciples, when they heard this, said, "This is a hard saying! Who can listen to it?" But Jesus knowing in himself that his disciples murmured at this, said to them, "Does this cause you to stumble? Then what if you would see the Son of Man ascending to where he was before? It is the spirit who gives life. The flesh profits nothing. The words that I speak to you are spirit, and are life. But there are some of you who don't believe." For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were who didn't believe, and who it was who would betray him. He said, "For this cause have I said to you that no one can come to me, unless it is given to him by my Father." At this, many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him. Jesus said therefore to the twelve, "You don't also want to go away, do you?" Simon Peter answered him, "Lord, to whom would we go? You have the words of eternal life. We have come to believe and know that you are the Christ, the Son of the living God."

R-slur, do you have any idea what you're talking about? I finished high school with a diploma (Florida Virtual School Full-Time) and was in college when I was arrested. I was taking classes from the Florida State College at Jacksonville and was soon going to be transferring to the University of North Florida. By all means, go ask them for their records.

I spent all of my time on Kiwi Farms? Okay, this has to be bait.

I love how you can't actually refute anything that I said, so you instead have to resort to childish ad-hominem attacks - ad-hominem attacks that aren't even remotely true.

!metashit

The largest genocides in history were carried out by atheist authoritarians (left and right wing) just last century.

Hitler was a Christian and so was his entire Nazi movement. Hitler attended a monastery school and was a communicant and an altar boy in the Catholic Church. Hitler was never excommunicated nor condemned by his church. In fact, the Church felt that he was just and "avenging for God" in attacking the Jews, since they deemed the Semites to be the killers of Jesus. Communism, on the other hand, was a Jewish movement and still is. All of the founding fathers of communism were Jews, and Jews were the only people allowed to freely practice their religion in the Soviet Union, where anti-Semitism was punishable by death (a fact which was actually advertised to American Jews in an attempt to lure them to the USSR).

Some of the greatest oppression occurred under non European powers like the Chinese dynasties or imperial Japan. Mongols empires consisted of mass r*pe and murder.

Yes, I am fully aware of that. It still pales in comparison to the amount of oppression that was carried out (and continues to be carried out) by Christians, Jews, and Muslims.

Humans causing suffering is caused by humans independent of religion.

I'm not denying that in any way. If religion didn't exist, humans would just find something else to justify their intrinsically evil and violent nature. But, as it stands, religion (and especially Abrahamic religion) is the #1 force for human evil without a doubt.

Heck majority of your moral views and belief in the value of ALL human life comes from the !christians holy book directly.

LOL, seriously? Because, last I checked, the God depicted in the Bible killed more people than every single human dictator combined (in fact, the Christian God kills everyone on the planet at one point), and the Bible contains numerous passages like these:

"Take your son, your only son - yes, Isaac, whom you love so much - and go to the land of Moriah. Sacrifice him there as a burnt offering on one of the mountains, which I will point out to you." (Genesis 22:1-18)

"Consecrate to me every first-born that opens the womb among Israelites, both man and beast, for it belongs to me." (Exodus 13:2)

"Note also that any one of his possessions which a man vows as doomed to the Lord, whether it is a human being or an animal, or a hereditary field, shall be neither sold nor ransomed; everything that is thus doomed becomes most sacred to the Lord. All human beings that are doomed lose the right to be redeemed; they must be put to death." (Leviticus 27:28-29)

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Trolls and online r-slurs are antifragile because they feed on the outrage generated by their r-slurredness

!mathematics should make a model out of it

Sorry, but your argument fails because you forgot to include a smug anime face.

It's funny you use the coathanger emoji, because Christtards are the ones currently trying to force women to have bloody coat-hanger abortions instead of letting women make medical decisions about their own bodies.

!nonchuds