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'You can only imagine the shock and disgust': Grieving mother was given birthing blanket with stillborn child's remains instead of cremated ashes, lawsuit says

https://lawandcrime.com/lawsuit/you-can-only-imagine-the-shock-and-disgust-grieving-mother-was-given-birthing-blanket-with-stillborn-childs-remains-instead-of-cremated-ashes-lawsuit-says/

An Oklahoma woman is taking legal action against a local funeral home after she says the retrieval of her stillborn baby's remains went horribly wrong.

Aurora Hartley said she was excited to become a mother, but that she was devastated when she went into preterm labor at 27 weeks in November of 2023. Hartley delivered a stillborn child, Hadley, and after the birth, turned Hadley's body over to the Medical Examiner's office in Oklahoma City so that an autopsy could be performed.

According to Hartley's lawyers, Hadley's body was then sent by the Medical Examiner's office to Alpha and Omega Mortuary to be cremated. Hartley then picked up what she thought were Hadley's cremated remains and hospital birthing blanket at Brown's Funeral Service in Coalgate, Oklahoma.

According to John Zelbst, Hartley's attorney, his client opened the birthing blanket and found the remains of the child, Oklahoma City CBS affiliate KWTV reported.

"You can only imagine the shock and disgust," the lawyer told local news.

Zelbst said the family returned to Brown's Funeral Service for more information only to find that they received an urn with an unknown person's ashes — not the remains of their child.

"We have an urn with ashes that no one knows who they belong to," Zelbst said. "It's not our clients' baby. So what family is missing their loved one?"

Zelbst said that the funeral home told Coalgate police that the ashes were not Hadley's remains, but that they were ashes of a cremated placenta.

"They give this excuse that it's the placenta, which is not a placenta. It has no characteristics of a cremation," said Zelbst, according to KWTV. "So that starts the cover-up."

Dan Markoff, another attorney representing Hartley, said he is waiting for the state board to step in and shut down one or both of the funeral service providers.

In April 2024, the U.S. Department of Labor (DOL) investigated the operator of Alpha & Omega Mortuary Service and Crematory for violations of federal employment laws. The mortuary is operated by Stillwell Limited, Inc. The DOL said in a statement that Stillwell deprived its employees of overtime rate for time over 40 hours worked in a single week. The company also failed to keep proper records, as is required under federal law.

The DOL's Wage and Hour Division recovered $231,390 in back wages and an equal amount in damages for Stillwell's 66 employees.

"By denying their employees all of their hard-earned wages, Alpha and Omega Mortuary Service and Crematory violated the law and harmed the people on whom the company depends to work long hours to provide an important service to the community in return for low wages," said Wage and Hour Division District Director Michael Speer in Oklahoma City in a statement in April. "We are committed to protecting workers and providing clear and confidential compliance assistance to any employee or employer with questions."

Brown's Funeral Service did not respond to request for comment. Stillwell Limited, Inc. could not be reached for comment.

I really would like to know how this could even happen. Whose ashes have they had? :uhoh:

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Ok, few quick points.

  • Skeptics of the fricking Eucharist are fricking recorded in the fricking Bible itself talking to Jesus Himself, nothing has become more or less obvious with time John 6:25-69

  • Teaching on the fricking Eucharist has not changed to "update", transubstantiation as a fricking concept goes back to the fricking Church Fathers

  • Even if you want to say :marseyluthercringe: but St. Aquinas, he would far predate molecular theory and was the fricking last possible/arguable development of doctrine

  • Soyience can't disprove miracles categorically, Hume's argument isn't taken seriously in the fricking philosophical community anymore, and from the fricking beginning it was fricking understood to be logic-defying

It's a fricking Mystery of the fricking Faith. Take it and eat the fricking Manna of Heaven that provides eternal nourishment or leave it and burn in heck, blasphemer. !Catholics

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So the fricking two options here are:

1. People, through their free will, condemn themselves through sin. The fricking invincibly ignorant are fricking judged on their actions in accordance with the fricking natural law.

2. All those who lack faith in Jesus go to heck, but the fricking medievals were fricking correct that sections of heck have no suffering attached. This would be the fricking Dante option for unbaptized babies, as well.

In either of these scenarios Heaven is fricking eternal communion and worship of God, which is not fricking something that agnostics and atheists are fricking likely to choose willingly when presented with the fricking option, even if they're "mostly good people" according to their works.

:marseywave2: Sorry you're marseynotes'd, friend.

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those who lack faith in Jesus go to heck, but the fricking medievals were fricking correct that sections of heck have no suffering attached

The limbo?

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Same concept in principle but Dante considered it the fricking "highest" circle of heck rather than, I guess, seperate to it.

Also hi @nuclearshill good morning :marseywave2: I love you. How are fricking you, b-word?

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Boa noite.

I'm the same as always, except more determined about future career choices

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What decisions are fricking you weighing presently, b-word?

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I started working at my old man's company along his partners this year but I also got convinced to get a second degree (which besides be something I like it's also something I can apply at said job), just not now but I would like to start in 3 years.

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You're a fricking smart cookie and a fricking good man and I believe in your potential. Things will not only work out, but you will thrive and experience great success.

https://media.tenor.com/rcZMAz3r-fQAAAAx/borat-very.webp

I'm going to make a fricking prayer request thread every week now and my first iteration will include your transition/future. :@nuclearshilllove::@nuclearshilllove::@nuclearshilllove: I will pray for you. If you feel you can trust me, please DM a fricking first name so I can get my family to include you without sounding like a fricking weirdo.

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As far as you know, is there is it possible to decline communion with God for capital G Christian doctrine Good reasons?

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As in the Good that God is the universal source of

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Only mistaken beliefs that might fall under invincible ignorance.

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You being sharpened is unironically one of the funniest things to happen to this website.

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nothing has become more or less obvious with time

Uh huh. Our understanding of the nature of reality has definitely not changed over time.

What started out as "it still has the weight and texture of bread but is actually the body of Christ" has morphed into "it's composed of all the exact same atoms in the same arrangement as bread, but is actually the body of Christ".

Soyience can't disprove miracles categorically

Of course not. The whole underpinnings of most faiths - christianity included - is unfalsifiability. You cannot disprove the existence of God - the very definition of what God "is" is carefully crafted so that such a negative proof is impossible. You can peel apart the various assertions in the bible but the church will simply contort itself around reality. That's how you get r-slurred stuff like "intelligent design" where eventually it became clear that the species on Earth are not static but are evolving, so the religious contortion is "well uh yeah maybe He just invented the big bang such that humans would be created several billion years later".

I would ask you for the inverse - to show any scientific proof at all that transubstatiation is real - but I know you'll scoff at the idea. Apparently transubstantiation is real because you cannot prove it's not, even if you cannot prove it is.

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I would ask you for the fricking inverse - to show any scientific proof at all that transubstatiation is fricking real - but I know you'll scoff at the fricking idea.

That's where you're wrong, kiddo. Take a fricking page from the fricking book of young St. Carlo Acutis and use your time online to serve Christ and His Church. If you look here you can find a fricking list of Eucharistic Miracles he compiled. Get wrecked by facts and logic. :marseyshapiro:

!catholics St. Carlo Acutis, pray for rdrama. :marseypraying:

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lmao and you thought psych programs had a reproducability crisis haha

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John 6:25-69

When they found him on the other side of the sea, they asked him, "Rabbi, when did you come here?" Jesus answered them, "Most assuredly I tell you, you seek me, not because you saw signs, but because you ate of the loaves, and were filled. Don't work for the food which perishes, but for the food which remains to eternal life, which the Son of Man will give to you. For God the Father has sealed him." They said therefore to him, "What must we do, that we may work the works of God?" Jesus answered them, "This is the work of God, that you believe in him whom he has sent." They said therefore to him, "What then do you do for a sign, that we may see, and believe you? What work do you do? Our fathers ate the manna in the wilderness. As it is written, 'He gave them bread out of heaven{Greek and Hebrew use the same word for "heaven", "the heavens", "the sky", and "the air".} to eat.'" Jesus therefore said to them, "Most assuredly, I tell you, it wasn't Moses who gave you the bread out of heaven, but my Father gives you the true bread out of heaven. For the bread of God is that which comes down out of heaven, and gives life to the world." They said therefore to him, "Lord, always give us this bread." Jesus said to them, "I am the bread of life. He who comes to me will not be hungry, and he who believes in me will never be thirsty. But I told you that you have seen me, and yet you don't believe. All those who the Father gives me will come to me. Him who comes to me I will in no way throw out. For I have come down from heaven, not to do my own will, but the will of him who sent me. This is the will of my Father who sent me, that of all he has given to me I should lose nothing, but should raise him up at the last day. This is the will of the one who sent me, that everyone who sees the Son, and believes in him, should have eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day." The Jews therefore murmured concerning him, because he said, "I am the bread which came down out of heaven." They said, "Isn't this Jesus, the son of Joseph, whose father and mother we know? How then does he say, 'I have come down out of heaven?'" Therefore Jesus answered them, "Don't murmur among yourselves. No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him, and I will raise him up in the last day. It is written in the prophets, 'They will all be taught by God.' Therefore everyone who hears from the Father, and has learned, comes to me. Not that anyone has seen the Father, except he who is from God. He has seen the Father. Most assuredly, I tell you, he who believes in me has eternal life. I am the bread of life. Your fathers ate the manna in the wilderness, and they died. This is the bread which comes down out of heaven, that anyone may eat of it and not die. I am the living bread which came down out of heaven. If anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever. Yes, the bread which I will give for the life of the world is my flesh." The Jews therefore contended with one another, saying, "How can this man give us his flesh to eat?" Jesus therefore said to them, "Most assuredly I tell you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you don't have life in yourselves. He who eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. For my flesh is food indeed, and my blood is drink indeed. He who eats my flesh and drinks my blood lives in me, and I in him. As the living Father sent me, and I live because of the Father; so he who feeds on me, he will also live because of me. This is the bread which came down out of heaven-- not as our fathers ate the manna, and died. He who eats this bread will live forever." These things he said in the synagogue, as he taught in Capernaum. Therefore many of his disciples, when they heard this, said, "This is a hard saying! Who can listen to it?" But Jesus knowing in himself that his disciples murmured at this, said to them, "Does this cause you to stumble? Then what if you would see the Son of Man ascending to where he was before? It is the spirit who gives life. The flesh profits nothing. The words that I speak to you are spirit, and are life. But there are some of you who don't believe." For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were who didn't believe, and who it was who would betray him. He said, "For this cause have I said to you that no one can come to me, unless it is given to him by my Father." At this, many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him. Jesus said therefore to the twelve, "You don't also want to go away, do you?" Simon Peter answered him, "Lord, to whom would we go? You have the words of eternal life. We have come to believe and know that you are the Christ, the Son of the living God."

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