Pope Francis has been presented with a gold statue of the Taoist sea goddess Mazu by a group from a Taiwanese temple. pic.twitter.com/ZAU1pssNSV
— TaiwanPlus News (@taiwanplusnews) September 26, 2024
Lmao the irony of an abrahamic saying this
Now go pray to their dead jew on a stick. Totally not an idol
Why is the abrahamic mind so unable to comprehend non abrahamic faiths aren't mutually exclusive?
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I wish we had a sea god Would have made for very aesthetic themed temples. Imagine a conch shaped dome and the door guard statues being mermen
Based s
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These new generations never learn that
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There was a great bit about this in a book, Portuguese Jesuits landed in China and were trying to ingratiate themselves with the civil society using some very highly educated people for the times on stuff like engineering on which Europe had a major edge over China, so they were becoming sought after people to talk with at social events. They adopted their dress, language etc. Then Dominicans began to land too from Spanish Philippines and they would go around with massive crosses handing out pamphlets about masturbation that absolutely rekt the whole carefully crafted image.
They still remained fairly highly placed and used some convert governors to build up church significantly across different Chinese regions(as they were transferred around) but then there were doctrinal issues over ancestor worship, the Emperor said it was a secular act and local Jesuits agreed but Dominicans went back to Pope and he ultimately ruled it wasn't secular and couldn't be performed by Chinese Christians. This was directly opposing Emperor's order so the whole group were thrown out. Only going back in after the Opium War.
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That's a lot of words when I could have just watched ShΕgun.
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I disagree on this point but only slightly. The Europeans did have a slightly better understanding of engineering, but the main reason for the Europeans superiority in this regard was because of European warfare theory and science. The most well known example was the difference between European and Chinese defensive design which made it almost impossible for Chinese armies to besiege European forts, while European armies could overwhelm Chinese forts in half the time it would take to siege a European fort.
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-some cap ohio neighbor
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Remember that Tricky Peepee singlehandedly did more than any US president to end the cold war by going on a secret trip to China with the boys, getting shithoused drunk with Mao on their first meeting and shit-talking Kissenger while he sat across from them
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All animals of the world are creatures of God so having coastal Church's be decked out with marine themes sounds kino. It's like old churches having Celtic and Bridgid's crosses everywhere.
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I really like that older churches often incorporated local tradition or retained some pagan architectural influence and thus you get mosaics of zodiacs and satyrs in Greece and dragon head carvings in Scandinavia and all that stuff
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Read Moby Peepee. There's a kino scene set in a nautical church
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I saw a Star Trek movie once where it's implied this is a good book so it must be.
(Also TOS: "Obsession" of course.)
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Yes I won't eat anything this cute.
Chickens look ugly and so do goats I'd rather eat those
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Goats are cute
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Their beard reminds me too much of muzzies sorry
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Racists of the world: The obvious is reply to this is "[some animal] reminds me of Indian women" but I can't do it myself because I really like Indian women. Somebody do it for me.
I mean seriously.
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I wont eat goats because im a super picky eater
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Those eyes...
Yum
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I once ate a very delicious rabbit that I felt slightly bad for absolutely nailing with a .22 because it did look very nice
It was quite good roasted with a nice white wine and butter sauce (and some roast carrots, of course)
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I used to eat lamb but I met too many cute ones on treks and can't any more. I do want to eat mules tho frickers almost pushed me into a ravine once and have to constantly step around their shit. Unfortunately I don't think they're eaten.
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!Christians The papists paid Michelangelo to paint the minor Greek deity Charon (possibly a son of Uranos) as the ferryman who rows you across the River-Goddess Styx on the same Sistine Chapel wall featuring Jesus Christ.
In the Vatican museum they have a status of Perseus (son of Zeus) holding Medusa's head (daughter of two primordial sea gods), which they paid money for.
https://m.museivaticani.va/content/museivaticani-mobile/en/collezioni/musei/museo-pio-clementino/Cortile-Ottagono/perseo-trionfante.html
They have a bust of Zeus. They have statues and paintinga of all these Greek and Roman deities.
Why is it when some slant eye gives them a tiny one for free that they all chimp out?
!lutherans !calvinists
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Because they play too much Crusader Kings instead of studying doctrine
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!Catholics the Liberal Protestants paid a Catholic artist $800k (because we're the only ones who understand art) to paint the major Roman (Greek) deities Neptune, Vulcan, Mercury and Minerva surrounding George Washington in heaven on the rotunda of the state building because they place enlightenment rationality and nationalism above God.
Why is it when we propose that their values are out of wack and their finger-pointing an exercise in vanity they all chimp out? At least Mormons like @ACA don't have cognitive dissonance about treating the Constitution and Declaration of Independence as divinely inspired, but I'm not sure how our iconoclastic !Christians can justify this one.
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They were a lot of Quakers and Unitarians right?
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All over the place, there were a large number of Church of England/Episcopalians including Washington himself, Franklin was Methodist, most were Congregationalist (American Puritans). The Quaker Society of Friends actually formally denounced the revolution in 1775:
Their opposition continued, and in 1776 they actually excommunicated (shunned? I'm not sure the correct terminology for them) those who paid taxes/participated in revolutionary violence:
So while yes some of the Founding Fathers were of a Quaker background, they were by no means devout. !historychads !christians
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You really are a well of knowledge
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The Apotheosis of George Washington is such a ridiculous piece of art and it's absolutely hillarious to me that a good chunk of people, including the ones who comissioned it, just don't see anything wrong with it. But I guess it's hard to appreciate contextually appropriate art when one has murals depicting civil war in their churches lmao
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Good morning I hate nationalism. It's been my favorite gotcha towards Evangelicals for a while. Since they do genuinely hold their American civic religion above their Christianity (or at minimum view them as harmonious), they usually just get mad without having a response.
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Remember when those ranchers took over the federal building for a few days?
They carried annotated copies of the Constitution with references to Mormon stuff. It's BAD.
Mormons are the most anti-American patriots ever. They love the country so much, they can't wait to overthrow it and institute a theocratic monarchy.
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We were supposed to pay taxes to your three feuding antipopes to pay mercenaries to ravage Italy for a generation and we are supposed to feel bad about it about because...
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We actually wanted to carry out what was agreed on at the Council of Constance.
Which one of us are the real schismatics?
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I don't see the connection between this, my comment, and OP. You know perfectly well that the Reformation happened for different reasons, anyway.
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Get serious. The church was really fricked up in the 1400s. The Lutherans didn't just appear out of mid air. There were real grievances that real people had. (Many of whom stayed Catholic and made the church way more honest than it had been).
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Stop sidemarseying me old man. I'm giving you the engagement you seek. I'll respond tomorrow when I'm back home since I don't want to half-butt it.
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Remember that scene in that one movie where Worf says to Picard "If you were any other man, I would have sidevoted where you stand!"
That's how I feel about you.
If you've been sidevoted I'm dealing with a lot a stuff right now and it's possible that I just see everything you posted.
I notice that you sidevoted a lot of my high quality content about Nasrallah's death. Makes me wonder if you think I secrectly want Iranian girls to get beaten or something. You think I'm on Khamaenei's side?
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I have avoided all of the Israel/Hesbollah/whatever threads for weeks. My point here was about iconoclasm/using Greek and Roman imagery across religious professions, I wasn't rehashing the Reformation on this thread.
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But it looks cool
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no where in the Bible is such behavior encouraged or described
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Jesus Christ himself explained to his people not to constantly have a stick up your butt and constantly cause problems for everyone. Neighbor if you need me of all people to remind you of the fricking gospels then you need to work more on your biblical literacy instead of being smug on the internet. I'm talking about the actual words of Jesus, not the latest youtuber who plays Roblox and Instagram.
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Mazu
Whatcha gonna do?
There's a lot of people coming for you
Mazu
Comment allez-vous?
A knock on the door in the night
That's Mazu
He don't care
Dark glasses
Long hair
Takes his time, sneers at men
Some ugly people want revenge
Mazu
A knock on the door in the night
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Snapshots:
https://x.com/taiwanplusnews/status/1839319030278271357:
ghostarchive.org
archive.org
archive.ph (click to archive)
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I'm not a big Francis fan, but accepting the gift seems fine? It would be a lightening bolt occasion if he worshipped it or made offerings but he's not so
If you don't believe the goddess has power, it's just art; and accepting it isn't an endorsement of anything except friendship.
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It's such a bullshit thing. The North Koreans (yes, I'm gonna just call them that) did that with the wife of the South Korean president recently. Stuck a bag into her hand at a public event and then called it a scandal because inside that bag was a smaller bag which cost... $2,000!!!
Can you imagine? I've certainly never met a Korean woman who could afford to drop $2k on a handbag without thinking too much about it. Because I was born in the fricking 1870s or something and don't know how much money is worth.
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Aren't the vatican archives already full of shit like that from throughout history
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there is an egyptian obelisk in St Peters Square that the Romans left there i think
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In the late 1800s the khedive gave a bunch of them out to various countries so all the countries that actually mattered then (and still matter now) have one. I'm not 100% sure that's what you're talking about but Rome sounds like a place where one would end up.
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nope, caligula grabbed it, dropped it there, then we came along and kept it when we took over after the fall of rome
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vatican_obelisk
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just nice gesture of inter-religious understanding and they have to turn it into a slapfight
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It's cute when @Rad_juju's kittens do it because they're just children. Not cute when "adult" humans do it.
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Omg the tags I receive
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!catholics !christians
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Very funny to see Catholics work themselves up about idolatry, the sin which is actually the foundation of their sect.
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Is that what they're calling it these days?
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I thought we'd be to Taiwan++ by now.
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It's always funny how catholics insist the pope is absolutely infallible and then call for him to be dragged through the streets when he interrupts their trad LARP by acting like a normal person.
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They do it too when arguing with protestants about whether ecumenical councils are binding (not all protestants hold to decisions made by ecumenical councils, the catholic church does) where in one breathe they will say that decisions from councils are binding and then in another breathe do nothing but seethe endlessly about vatican II.
When arguing with these wannabe-canon-lawyers its always fun to ctrl+f their profiles to see how often Jesus gets mentioned
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I'm just wondering why it's okay to burn Jan Huss to death but everything else decided at the Council of Constance is discarded.
Look, I don't have an agenda here, I'm just asking questions.
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sorry idk much about that council so I would probably be talking out of my butt about it
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Council of Constance was about trying to resolve the Schism. This is so incredibly complicated, don't try understanding it.
One of the side issues was that this Czech guy Jan Huss said "maybe we shouldn't be abusing our power to frick over everyone. So they burned him alive.
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Well you knew enough to burn a guy to death and start a war that destroyed the church and killed millions of people. Maybe you can start knowing about it.
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Technically he's only infallible when speaking ex cathedra, which is extremely rare. Otherwise you're fine to disagree.
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Most of these "Catholics" are larpers, or sedevacantists, and they just use Catholicism to guise their racism and hate because they have no theological understanding and just think its the "trad" religion. Also, he is not always infallible, only under certain circumstance and ceremony.
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It warms my heart that you and @TabbySupremacy are defending us.
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Prots/Nondenoms always get the last laugh.
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Imagine the look on their faces when CondΓ© defeated them at Rocroi! A mere boy!
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Prays to the cross.
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