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r/neoliberal announces it will permanently ban anyone who suggests the Democrats should focus more on economics and less on gender politics

https://old.reddit.com/r/neoliberal/comments/1gkzmjw/rule_clarifications/

								

								

Rule Clarifications

Howdy all, given what we've been seeing in the mod queue and what you've certainly all been seeing out and about we wanted to be clear on our stance here.

r/neoliberal is a liberal sub, we support liberal values. These include but are not limited to supporting a person's right to live their lives free of discrimination or interference.

We've seen a large uptick in comments stating that democrats should abandon certain groups (specifically transgender people) in order to gain votes. Let's be clear, this is not our sub's position - we support trans rights, we support minority rights, we support freedoms of movement and expression.

Anyone making these comments will be permanently banned, we've had enough. Like Jesus fricking Christ, be better.

Example of what's okay to say: "I'm afraid democrats will abandon X group to earn votes"

Example of what's not okay to say: "democrats should abandon X group to earn votes"

This feels straightforward but apparently has to be said. Please use the report button to help us enforce this policy, as there are many comments we otherwise don't see (there are maybe a dozen of us active, and the sub has gotten tens of thousands of comments in the past 24 hours).

Just be kind. It's easy. God bless.

According to Wikipedia Neoliberalism is "both a political philosophy and a term used to signify the late-20th-century political reappearance of 19th-century ideas associated with free-market capitalism". Apparently caring about free markets more than legalizing over the counter puberty blockers is incompatible with neoliberalism, though. Incidentally, did anyone else really like Bernie's policies but not vote for him because he's a priviliged white man???? !neolibs

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honestly, understandable

why would anyone even suggest that?

a trans persons feelings is WAY more important than money and Democrats would have made America a safer place for them

seriously, any chudcel who says otherwise must kill themselves and their corpses to be r*ped :marseyannoyed:

!transphobes looking at you...

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must kill themselves and their corpses to be r*ped

I feel you'd be happier on WPD than here

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  • nutty : isnt a decent fricking human being

TTD

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:#marseydrum:

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CHUDS LIVES DONT MATTER :marseyoverseether:

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TTD :scoot:

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KILL :!marseytrain:S BEHEAD :!marseytrain:S ROUNDHOUSE KICK A :marseytrain: INTO THE CONCRETE :soyjakcobson:

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NOOOOOOOOOO

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ACK

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  • Fresh_Start : why is replacement migration an issue when people are not having enough kids?

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Also, that post about leftism just being the ideology of supporting the antisocial. I'm reminded of it every other day.

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How about The Road to Terfdom and it's about me reading /r/neoliberal !neolibs

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that's a good one mimwee, great pun :marseyfluffy:

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Thank yooouuuu :marseyhearts: :marseyhearts: :marseyhearts:

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:windowpunch:

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They must really want to lose every election going forward

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It's not about winning elections, it's about being a DECENT FRICKING HUMAN BEING

:#soysnooseethe:

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What if :marseytrain2:s just quit being obnoxious on the internet and quit fricking kids? That's a fine compromise.

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>what if :marseytrain2:s stopped being AGP

:#clueless:

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Sorry chud, but we can't compromise on trans rights.

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are they even :!marseytrain:s if they aren't obnoxious on the internet and don't frick kids?

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Thats literally all they do.

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Enjoy being a decent human being in the Trump Detrans Camp :marseysmug:

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Let's be clear, this is not our sub's position -

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Yikes! Once it was clear Kamala was just republican lite, I knew the election was over. We really need a candidate that will ban oil drilling, defund police, raise taxes, piss in farmers' Cheerios, and abolish ICE. They'd be a shoo-in!

:#marseysoylentgrintalking:

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Idk, the country is more polarized than ever, maybe the Dems would get better turnout if their candidate actually represented something their voter base wants. Maybe something they could get excited about? Something different from the status quo?

An actual Kamala policy idea was $20,000 of student loan forgiveness, but only for Pell Grant recipients who started and maintained a successful business in a disadvantaged area for 3 years.

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Kamala ran much farther to the left in the primaries and failed miserably.

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Isn't that where the s*x change for prisoners line came from. That was still biting her in the butt.

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Yes, and banning fracking

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Yep, she should have promised $10/gallon gas. Maybe $20. Drastic measures like that are necessary to save the planet, you can't only ban fracking, you gotta strangle the oil industry as a whole.

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I've been saying this for the whole election. There's so many things they could have done to win a landslide against Trump but they refuse to. There's always something more important to them than winning. Like not hurting Biden's feelings or picking a black woman candidate.

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It's real bad this time because let's be real, Trump didn't run a good campaign for the most part.

No grand promises that energized people like wall, bringing back jobs, and MAGA slogan. No iconic debate performances. A month ago he was spending time streaming with some guy who literally sniffs chairs Andrew Tate sits on.

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No iconic debate performances

He did get shot in the fricking head and just started yelling and a high energy fistpumping sesh.

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Pfft kids get shot everyday at school, he's not special.


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>A month ago he was spending time streaming with some guy who literally sniffs chairs Andrew Tate sits on

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-elections/exit-polls

Drumpf got 43% of zoomers, thats pretty good. It mist have worked.

Also

>black 13%

Despite being just 13% of black people, black people who vote trump are responsible for 100% of black votes for trump

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R-slurs are over thinking the election lol. The idea trans politics is why or has anything to do with it is wild.

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It might not be a top issue per se but :marseytrain: shit is just like the worst case of woke evangelicalism and not something you'd want attached to your campaign

Like at the end of the day it's mostly ugly neurodivergent and entitled privileged moids in skirts shrieking about a genocide that's not happening

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My point is basically every voter that decided the election was low information "i have no idea whats going on but im poor and the government must to be blame" voters.

I see these people all day lol. Id be amazed if :marseytrain2:s ever crossed their minds.

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Cope

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I don't think it's :!marseytrain:s specifically, but Democrats have no problem messaging that they're the party of women, strags, and have an entirely different definition of "man" than most men.

I think that put off a lot of non-college men who would otherwise consider voting for them. They certainly didn't want to talk about potentially voting for them with chud coworkers

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LGBTQ issues don't impact the majority of the population, people need to be realistic and understand a number of people will prioritize the economy even if they support gay rights

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These voters are economically illiterate, no amount of policy explanation can change that. Personal finance is the furthest they will go, and the average American has awful personal finances.

After that there's nothing but abortion and racial/sexual minority issues to distinguish themselves from Republicans. I truly think people are rubbed the wrong way by the DNC's embrace of gender woo shit, no matter how they try to hide or not draw attention that it.

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give people the ick

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>a fricking leaf

>Redditor since 2012

>posting about willingness to give up rights in the name of "principles"

No, they're sincere. Unreal. Redditors aren't human

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>gawrsh why does america have such a boner for guns

>why sure mister government, please take away my freedoms for the unproven possibility that someone else might be happier

This is why america is the only real country.

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>the government took my rights away

>At first I was pretty bummed about it

>but then I remembered my principles and a trans person was probably happier to receive them than I was to loose them!

>total euphoria in the world increased

>so it's a good thing, chud

:#marseybikecuck: :#marseyrake:

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but then I remembered my principles and a trans person was probably happier to receive them than I was to loose them!

penal peepee translocation 2030

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No chuddy theyre saying that no matter what the chuds do they'll never stop saying trans rights

>And that's why I'm a neoliberal. You can take my rights, take my freedoms, take my home and take my security. You cannot take my principles.

>I will never pretend that trans people, foreigners, immigrants or anyone else is lesser because it is convenient.

>Thanks mods, and Godspeed.

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>You cannot take my principles.

We can't take what you don't have.

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Ideas are bullet proof :marseyanon:


:chad!black2: :marseybear::marseyrefrigerator:

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:marseyraging: maybe if you weren't so r-slurred, you wouldn't be losing all the other things

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You can take my rights, take my freedoms, take my home and take my security.

I will. :#marseyagree:

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I will take credit because of my username.

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:!marseytrain:s are going to single handedly take the entire democratic party down with them lmao

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With no survivors

:#marseybane:

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:#based:

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Killed the Scottish National Party. Maybe they can go for 2.

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Lmao at least Keir Starmer knew to dump the :!marseytrain:s once labour got into power

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It's hilarious.

Dems don't even need to drop the :marseytrain: stuff. They just need to keep them away from kids and maybe tone it down with the migrants.

They'd sweep elections among college educated whites+jews/asians+black at that point.

They'd probably dominate the sunbelt and northern parts of the US at that point (probably take Michigan, AZ, Ga for good).

They'd also be competitive in Utah.

They'd essentially just be the neocon party+take the northeast and west coast. Too bad that it won't happen because NGOs won't let them win.

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Anyone making these comments will be permanently banned, we've had enough. Like Jesus fricking Christ, be better.

:#soycrytyping: :#marseysoyhypetyping: :#marseysoylentgrintyping: :#soyjaktantrumtyping: :#soysnooseethetyping: :#soyjaktantrumfasttyping: :#soysnootyping: :#soymadtyping:

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we've had enough

>we have no answers

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Wrong we told them to :marseyclapping2:BE :marseyclapping2: BETTER :marseyclapping2:

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Surely this attitude will help us win elections

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/r/neoliberal has gone through the life cycle that all subreddits do and ended up at the final stage. No matter what it was about when it was founded, in the end it's about :marseytrain: rights.

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when people start making "are trans women welcome here?" posts and nobody tells them to frick off it's already over

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Are trans women welcome here? :marseyshy:

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trans women are welcome here and in my bedroom

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:#carpembrace:

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Thank god that /r/bostonceltics has retained its chud roots and told that one trans woman last year to frick off and focus on the game instead of muh LGBTs

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It's morphed into a beautiful butterfly :marseywholesome:

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I'm not sure how healthy it is that I wanted a Trump win entirely based off my hatred of redditors

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I didn't want him to win, but I'll admit that knowing how much seething and inner turmoil this will cause in redditors makes the result less disappointing.

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Wait isn't that what we all did?

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It's a good thing

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Hatred of redditors, leftoids and liberals and glorious Trump memes :marseyagree:

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I wanted a harris W because I think trump fans are too poor.

That said dems deserved to lose this when they called Vance weird instead of taking the obvious route and calling him fat.

Also weird is a dumb insult to use when Harris's vp gives off serial killer vibes and we are pushing random gender shit to kids instead of algebra.

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I genuinely think that aesthetics/vibes are a valid way to vote. Lanyard bureaucrats just don't get it.

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Its what pushed me this time

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:marseymanysuchcases:

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I wanted Harris because I like Lina khan. But if trump is going to win I want him to fricking slaughter the democratic candidate

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be better

Oh goodie, they're going to keep doing the preachy nagging strategy I'm very excited

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It's going to be funny when Vance wins in 2028 on the back of a 'every demographic except white women and :!marseytrain:s' coalition

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These two words have done more to lose dems the white male vote than pretty much anything else. And every time it hurts them, they double down even harder.

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I have long believed that libertarian arguments for socially liberal positions are better (or more broadly convincing) than progressive ones, and this really seems to have manifested.

:#marseyhesright:

Obviously we care about these groups.

But our narratives suck.

So many posts about "As a white male, I'm voting to protect my queer mixed race niece!"

We need to make white males understand our policies are better for them too. Because they are.

When people think they're voting dem only to protect some niche group, dems aren't going to win elections.

So many posts about "As a white male, I'm voting to protect my queer mixed race niece!"

For real. That screams "yeah we know voting democrat is for gays and women but you can be one of the good ones!"

:#marseytruthnuke:

:marseyseethe: democrats should become republicans in order to gain republican votes

:marseysuicide: Homie, we lost the popular vote.

:marseyseethe: Sure. But we didn't in 2020 and the policies weren't all that different.

My hypothesis is that it's probably low turnout, inflation and sexism

:marseysuicide:There was a once in a century pandemic to help out.

This was a relatively normal 2016 election, and we couldn't take it.

Not only did we not take it this election, kamala lost 10 million voters.

Let's be real here fam, we didn't have a primary, we gave the nomination to a person who didn't win a single delegate and was literally the first person to drop out of the race in 2020.

The hubris is what lost this.

we can't keep calling the rest of country "fringe" when we're clearly the minority here, we're the fringe at this point, and we need to figure out where the middle is.

Us refusing to do that work is killing us.

:#marseyserioushatfact:

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We lost because of the economy, immigration, and crime, first and foremost, plus Biden's age, the general democratic shift to the left, and so on. Dems can triangulate massively on the stuff that actually moves voters, without also taking the weird move of hating on trans people, since trans stuff doesn't even seem like a particularly salient issue politically

The way Republicans used social issues (including trans rights) is to imply that Democrats are out-of-touch weirdos who care more about their social issues than they do about crime or the economy. That's the vibe all those nasty "Kamala is for gender-affirmation surgeries for prisoners" commercials gave. Not just that it's bad that Dems are trans allies, but that they'll spend taxpayer money on trans prisoners.

Here's an article about this ad campaign: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/trump-goes-harris-anti-trans-ads-football-games-rcna174354

Although now I'm sure if we can even discuss this. Which seems odd, because both campaigns are discussing it.

The "for prisoners, paid for by the government" was probably worse than the fact that it was gender-affirming care. People do not like the government doing expensive things for prisoners.

:#youdontsay:

The gay rights movement was very successful at actually convincing people and winning, and I'm confident that democrats and liberals can emulate that and figure out better ways to appeal to the general public on trans issues in ways that are still standing up for trans rights rather than throwing them under the bus. If anything, I figure this might be one of the few areas where Dems/liberals don't need to really concede at all on policy

I'm a staunch believer that Dems and liberals need to triangulate massively in general, but it is sad to see folks turn to trans people for that, rather than looking to other areas like trying to purge defund the police, socialism, abolish ice, and stuff like that

While democrats did lead the gay rights charge they did not run nationally on things like marriage equality til after it was settled law and public opinion shifted. 2008 Obama did not support gay marriage.

Gay marriage lost in California in 2008 (prop 8). This year adding gay marriage protection to the CA constitution passed with 61% support. In 2008 only 48% supported it even in California. Progress is slow, much slower than we'd like.

I think it's possibly the best option for trans people, not just democrats, for the national democrats to moderate their language during the campaign (heck just say it's an issue that should be decided by the states) while privately supporting trans rights while in office and blocking Republican legislation that hurts them.

Democrats should also publicly eschew the abolish police/ice movement, the reparations movement, and other radical left policies. The Democrats need to tweak multiple things so that not only can they win the presidency but get a trifecta. Democrats keep failing to deliver on their campaign promises because they don't have a trifecta (plus the senate filibuster) which leads to people being disillusioned with the party and staying home.

:#marseysoylentgringenocide:

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I love the narrative that it's impossible for a woman to win, but democrats ran one anyway because being heckin wholesome is more important

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It also immediately falls apart when you look at voter turnout based on gender. Turnout is consistently higher with women than men and has been for a while. lmfao

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1964

But feminists hadn't whined and burned bras yet. How could women vote back then??? :marseymindblown:

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And that is exactly what they would do if women really did have a disadvantage, because their idpol bullshit (among many things) is more important to them than winning elections.

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Hillary was incredibly unlikeable and most Americans had no fricking clue who Kamala was before Biden dropped out of the race. It was basically a household name vs a literally who.

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It's especially r-slurred when you look at which countries have voted for women presidents or PM's - India, Hungary, Slovakia, Moldova, African countries like Tanzania or Ethiopia - hardly bastions of progress, no matter how much :soysnooseethe: delude themselves US is much more progressive. Also like 2/3s of the European chud parties are lead by women - Le Pen, Meloni, AfD has a literal cute butch who's fricking a Syrian immigrant, Bongs just elected an African woman as the leader of Tories etc.

People will vote for women as long as they agree with those women politically, foids and libs are on another level of braindead for not understanding this.

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When people think they're voting dem only to protect some niche group, dems aren't going to win elections.

So many posts about "As a white male, I'm voting to protect my queer mixed race niece!"

For real. That screams "yeah we know voting democrat is for gays and women but you can be one of the good ones!"

this is a very dangerous line of thought, i am disappointed with the jannies for not silencing everyone in this thread :marseyjanny:

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There is no fricking "abolish police" movement. That shit is only shouted by terminally online leftists. Pretty much every demographic overwhelmingly opposes that shit and most Democrat congress members have made zero effort towards pushing that agenda

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Portland and Seattle pushed it. I know because I lived in the area at the time.

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