Can anyone provide a comprehensive definition :marseyremastered: of postmodernism?

Bonus: what, if any, is the relationship between :marseyzeldalinkpast: postmodernism :marseyfrenchvan: and existentialism?


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Best definition I've encountered was from regular car reviews funnily enough. It's been a while since and I was only half listening, but the idea seems to be there is no objective anything. What is beauty? it's what you make it to be, just as with truth as with right and wrong as with gender and the sun and sky. The reason it's such a confusing idea is because it has no truth.

Everything looks like shit and sucks because it's not meant to have anything we'd consider objective. This often gets taken to its natural conclusion: make everything repulsive and ugly as rebellion against the attempt to codify beauty during modernism. It's what leads to fat hairy black :!marseytrain:s sucking each other off being art, or the rejection of beauty in nearly every piece of media; beauty is an attack to postmodernists and therefore cannot be tolerated.

It's also why we have such odd perceptions of justice now. When you can no longer say murder is objectively wrong or worse than words, you end up with male feminists getting less time in prison than people who criticize male feminists.

I'm in no way any authority on this, but that's the way I've understood it best.

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I understand

>What is beauty? it's what you make it to be

But I get a bit lost with

>This often gets taken to its natural conclusion: make everything repulsive and ugly as rebellion against the attempt :marseychonkersuicide: to codify beauty :marseyspa: during modernism

Doesn't the act of rebelling against beauty :marseyspa: prove that there :marseycheerup: is a "beauty" to object? You can't rebel :marseysaluteconfederacy: against something :marseysmugface: non-existent, can you?


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You can deny that there's a true objective beauty and still recognize there's a standard of beauty.

It's also just an ideology, there isn't any way to measure how postmodern you are, so it will be bastardized and manipulated too. Often times postmodernism is just a way for people who felt they were left out or looked down upon to rebel, and sometimes that just means making shit ugly and gross, either to fit in somehow or to punish those who already do.

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Yes, that is an internal inconsistency with postmodernists. In their attempt to prove everything is subjective, they resolve to the conclusion that actually the most right answer is the historically most wrong answer. The more wrong it is, the more you'll be shamed for pointing it out.

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In their attempt to prove everything is subjective

Which post modernist has ever attempted to "prove" this?

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but the idea seems to be there is no objective anything.

That's not the idea at all. Skepticism of modern notions of truth are common in "post-modern" philosophers, but no one proposes anything similar to your description here.

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Not an expert either, but this was my understanding as well.

To tie the idea back to existentialism: Postmodernism says "there is no objective truth" and if the ultimate expression of truth is God, then God must be rejected as well. Existentialism meanwhile is pursuit of fulfillment/meaning from a purely individualized human perspective without consideration for higher principles like those imposed by a creator.

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