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[๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”˜๐Ÿ”˜๐Ÿ”˜๐Ÿ”˜] People hate it when you point out that fascists are socialists

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Statist may be even better. It's not burdened by too many associations. (33)

Statists = ๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚Libertarians really are the vegans of the political spectrum. (-25)

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He also killed the Socialists. They were among the first people in the camps. (50)

The communists were the first, but that's because they were being blamed for the woes of Germany as they were in charge during the Weimar Republic. Hitler was an avowed socialist and his 25 point plan shows it. (-16)

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Yeah, when a fricking moron makes a claim that even a cursory Google search would easily disprove, people tend to get irritated. The same way people get upset when a clown tries to erroneously claim that the American Civil War wasn't fought over African chattel slavery or that the Earth is flat. The Nazis were far-right authoritarians, their entire political and economic ideology was predicated on the existence of racial and social hierarchy. Completely opposite to the doctrine of Socialism/Communism as outlined by Marx and Engels.The Third Reich was about as socialist as the Democratic People's Republic of Korea is an actual democracy. Make stupid claims, get laughed at by the majority of informed people. A favorite Austrian economist and Lolbertarian/AnCap past time it seems. (43)

You're literally making the same mistake that I specifically called out in my post lmao (-15)

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Ok. I feel like I've been most of the reasoning and you've been most of the name calling.The nazis very clearly considered themselves socialists. They even put it in their name. They used socialist tactics to get control, and they ran that country like a socialist country. They also killed the other socialists that weren't exactly their brand of socialism, just like all other socialists do when they get power. (1)

No, Nazi's were NOT socialists. They used the idea of socialism, and progressive ideas, to get into power. Then, killed all the fricking socialists, shut down all unions, arrested union leaders, and made laws prohibiting strikes. It turned the entire workforce of the country into slaves.Christ, read an ACTUAL history book instead of listening to conservative propaganda. Which is all you've spouted, literally every single comment and thread you have made has been conservative propaganda. So you are either a troll, an idiot, or a russian asset.All those books conservatives are banning? Yeah you should be reading them, because just like with socialism... Nazi's were the ones burning books and trying to prevent the population from learning. Weird how conservatives are all in on the banning of books, specifically history books.You are on the wrong side of history here, and so far nothing you have said has been truthful or accurate. You find a technically true fact, then mix it in ... (2)

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Ah, the "fascists were socialists" spin again. Do people actually think this is a gotcha? Let's break it down so even OP can keep up.First off, the "National Socialist" name was pure marketing. Hitler used it to appeal to workers and steal support from actual socialists and communists, who he hated. The Night of the Long Knives? That was Hitler purging the socialist-leaning faction of his own party. Real socialists didn't just oppose the Nazis - they were some of the first people sent to concentration camps.Socialism is about workers owning the means of production. Fascism keeps private ownership intact but demands businesses serve the State's goals. That's not socialism - it's state-directed capitalism. The Nazis were all about cozying up to big business, not dismantling it.And let's not forget Mussolini. Sure, he started out as a socialist, but he ditched that as soon as it was convenient and leaned hard into nationalism. His whole "everything in the State" line doesn't make fasci... (1)

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What did Hitler say about it? Very little, but totalitarian Hitler called himself a Socialist. Hitler was leader of the National Socialist German Workers Party. He nationalised some industries. Hitler introduced social welfare on a scale (before the war) that shamed Stalin. Stalin ran the USSR unopposed, the "Union of Soviet, Socialist Republics". Totalitarian Stalin was a Socialist. As to outcomes, Stalin had killed over 20 million USSR citizens before WW2. Hitler killed 10 million Germans and Europeans before and during the war but he started with a smaller population. To me, both figures are mind boggling.My opinion? I would never vote for any party in a free election that includes socialists. (2)

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Calling fascists socialist is the same kind of :marseywingcuck: as calling fascism late-stage capitalism.

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None of these people understand economics in the slightest so that tracks. Politics itself is rslurred beyond redemption too so its not like any definition beyond corrupt tribalism will mean anything

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Fascist economic policy is whatever serves that particular dictator's vision for the nation/race.

It tends to cluster around the economic center because 'a bit of socialism, a bit of capitalism' is fairly effective on that front. Hence third positionism.

Hitler is explicit in Mein Kampf that his focus is growing a prosperous Aryan race on a contiguous German landmass. He thought that focusing on 'economics' in its own right was foolish and confusing means with ends. Oh and he hated finance capital.

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