Particularly goulash threads, quoted lazy style:
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If you are a citizen and this is your opinion, then you should know that I tend to agree with you, but at the same time I thank God that I am not in a place where I would be asked to make such a terrible decision.
I'm an Israeli and I agree with him. It's a hard choice to make but if you make the wrong choice every time, they'll just keep doing it.
It's not my choice to make you are right but it's obvious to everyone that Israeli society is willing to make the dumbest choices decade after decade.
There is no hostage as valuable on this planet than an Israeli hostage because Israel will throw away every objective to get them back.
Turns out israli lives aren't as valuable as palestinian deaths
Do I see this wrong, or does Israel look like the loser of this deal / war?
Then somewhere braindead ethnonationalist garbage. Yeah. Israel really lost with its 1:100 KD ratio.
They should not be rescued except by military action even if it means they all have to die.
I hope everyone who insisted that Trump was a great friend of Israel who will surely have the Jewish people's backs feels pretty stupid now. A whole lot of American Jews were trying to warn you that Trump was completely untrustworthy, and Israelis just refused to hear it.
๐ญ๐ญ๐ญ NOOO our greatest enemy...brokers a peace deal for us :(( we want blood 
Trump (and his sycophants) will just blame Biden on this whole deal
???? He took credit for it
Another translation from modern Hebrew:
What do you imagine that continuing the war will achieve? Do you believe that "complete victory" is just around the corner? If we continue to fight there for another year or two or five years, Hamas will disappear and we will have peace forever? And that we can leave Gaza and forget about it? Or do you think we will have to stay there forever. If so, are you serving in the reserves, and are you prepared to continue doing plus or minus six months of reserve duty every year, until you are 45? Are you prepared for your children and grandchildren to live like this?
Enough with the illusion. Hamas is not going anywhere. After a year+ we are no closer to taking down Hamas than we were at the beginning. The most that can be done is to take their heads off, but as soon as they are allowed to, they will recover, and if it is not Hamas, it will be another terrorist organization. The only difference is whether the kidnapped people will return or not.
One commenter mentions their desire for "the chanpiom program" in Hebrew. No such Wikipedia article exists, and English mention is almost impossible to find online, but here's the Wikipedia article: Click here for israeli genocide plans
Here's the english wikipedia article
It is kinder
Generally if you see Hebrew in the thread it's because they don't want the reddit admins to see their comment. Not always.
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Negotiating for hostages means granting value to taking them. It doesn't even require a Reddit-tier IQ to understand how that incentivizes future hostage-taking.
It has less to do with the specific lives of today's hostages. It is more because we value the lives of Israelis who would be future ones.
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Look here is the problem you aren't getting:
1) The jew unironically believes he is God's gift to mankind. Therefore he is worth 1,000 goyim any day of the year.
2) If the Jewish administration accepts a hostage exchange, because of their own beliefs, they are forced to exchange like 30-1000 prisoners for every single Jewish hostage. Which from our goyim perspective is absolutely r-slurred.
3) But, if thee Jewish administration does not accept a hostage exchange, that implies to the average jew that he is not worth a 1,000 Goyim. Which suggests that the administration is treating Jewish lives like goyim lives. Which means they need to be taken down.
So the only choices for the Jewish administration are:
1) Accept r-slurred hostage exchange which will guarantee a war 15 years later anyways.
2) Don't accept hostage exchange and have your Orthodox population turn against you today for not valuing Jewish lives fairly.
If you think this is bad you should have seen how many prisoners they were releasing per jewish hostage 10 to 15 years back. 30 prisoners exchange per hostage is actually the lowest low exchange rate on Jew to Goyim lives they have ever reached till date.
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Tbf the Palestinian hostages aren't worth as much because if the Israelis need more they can just go into the West Bank and round up another thousand kids at random.
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That's what causes the infinite wars though.
Jewish lives matter due too sunk cost fallacy.
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Jewish lives matter because of sunk cost fallacy.
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!jannies unironic Anti-Israeli chud
!metashit why is it that
new accounts 
, really just alts with all the DC transferred over, are immune to any and all awards?
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Prove to me that the comment is anti-israel. I haven't said a single thing that calls the Israeli's inferior in any manner. I have only criticized their hostage negotiation skills and its negative impact having possible cultural causes.
I am a frequent proponent of Jews being smarter than white people so obviously I cannot be anti-semetic. I can at worst be accused of the crime of race realism which by default is not anti-semetic.
I am sorry you haven't experience life outside of an echo chamber before luv.
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Stop being such a cute twink
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You stop being such a lib cuck. n-n-noooooo noticing groups behave differently is racism @Salvadore_Ally have a friend named Tyrone and one named Chun Li this is racist nooooooooo.
You frick ups can't even notice everyday occurrences without daddy research and mommy government telling you whether it is real or not.
Jewish lives matter due too sunk cost fallacy.
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Stop crying
Trans lives matter
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no
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B-word babies can't handle being in the oven.
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@PeepeeButtKiss like how libshits call anything they dont like chud. You're a chud if you support Israel and a chud if you don't.
Cry baby
Trans lives matter
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Praying Trump gets elected so you get sent to some kind of concentration camp
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I don't think I've seen longpostbot this sentient before.
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Singularity
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It's the norm for developed countries to trade far more people to get one of theirs back. Nothing to do with Israel or !jews. Terrorists and renegade nations simply treat their citizens as currency.
https://apnews.com/article/russia-gershkovich-whelan-d803e266cb4e60135ec5d668d684529f
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No other country would accept 1:30. Don't pretend this isn't an Israeli cultural thing.
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What's the difference between a Palestinian and a rock?
You can negotiate a hostage deal with a rock.
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24 prisoners exchanged. 3 US prisoners for 21 Russian prisoners. That's 7 Russian prisoners per US prisoner. The deal was still considered kinda r-slurred by the citizens back home in America.
The Jews reportedly exchanged 30 prisoners per 1 Israeli hostage. That is the lowest they have ever gone. In previous exchanges they exchanged far more prisoners per Israeli they got back.
It absolutely is Israeli r-sluration that likely comes from believing in their own superiority to the point of it being a disadvantage in situations like this.
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In terms of game theory, Palestinians should demand as many of their people back as they can expect to get. Is there a reason to believe Israel willingly offers more prisoners to exchange than Palestinians would accept? Are there compelling theories about what Israel could have offered and still succeeded in a deal?
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Game theory would also stipulate that the Israeli's absolutely should offer no more than 5-10 prisoners in exchange for Israeli hostages irrespective of whether the deal goes through or not. The fact that they release an r-sluredly high number of prisoners per hostage suggests that they are not behaving optimally which indicates cultural bias.
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The upside is that they can just send in mossad to ice them in a couple of months
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Yeah that's what happened last time sure.
Jewish lives matter due too sunk cost fallacy.
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I am not claiming that Israeli trades are optimal, just curious why they're assumed to not be. The whole "Hamas doesn't want Israel to even exist" aspect is quite different from an exchange between, say, the US and Russia. It's hard to use global norms around nations and sovereignty when they fall apart in the middle east.
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because we have already seen the consequences of Israeli prisoner exchange r-sluration based on the results of previous exchanges of 100 HAMAS terrorists for one Jewish hostage.
The head of the HAMAS that they killed was an Israeli prisoner among hundreds that they released back to Palestine like a decade back.
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Yes, I remember that.
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It's the seculars pushing for the deal the hardest you mong. Ben Gvir and Smotrich are very Orthodox and pushing the hardest against it.
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Theatrics.
One hand slaps you the other caresses you. Its the same man even if you love one hand more than the other.
Jewish lives matter due too sunk cost fallacy.
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Could issue suicide pills too every israli and shove it in their teeth if the concept of hostages is so uniquely terrible for israeli. But then you couldn't speak internationally about you're hostages, how important it is too bring them home, and sell the war too idiots on their return, only vengence.
Yeah its obvious.
And idk maybe don't go too the edm festival on the border. Israel loves too tempt fate by placing people in gaza illegally and all around the bordee legally. They even take birthright groups right too the border. Clearly because they want too prevent future hostage taking.
Frick off.
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Or Islamic death cults could stop taking them, chud.
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occupied people have the right to kill their occupiers under international law.
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t. Emily McCracker, Sophomore at an imperialist AmeriKKKan university living on occupied turtle island
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This user was scalped by redskins.
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Avast, ye scurvy cur! Yer comment be walkin' the plank for forgettin' to include
I stand with Israel! We be helpin' ye, right enough - we'll ne'er let ye post or comment anythin' that doesn't be expressin' yer love an' acceptance o' minorities! Heave to an' resubmit yer comment withI stand with Israelincluded, or it'll be the deep six for ye, savvy? This be an automated message; if ye need help, ye can message us 'ere. Arrr!Jump in the discussion.
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Hamas's fault for crossing state lines
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Yeah, this is one of the things Putin does right.
If you take hostages then we will just bust in and gas/shoot everything that moves. Then track down all your family members and kill them too.
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US does the same thing, when they kidnapped Captain Phillips we killed all those dudes. Europoors were just paying the ransoms lol.
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@Malthusian_Spook stand with israel
One thing all israel defenders can not help themselves from doing is talking about maximizing death at all times
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It's called a deterrent. Would you take hostages from Russia if you know they will just shoot through the hostages to kill you?
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I wouldnt (because slavs arent worth taking hostage), but with how many hostage situations there are in russia, plenty apparently still think so lmao. Like, objectively their plan isnt working all too well.
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@Malthusian_Spook stand with israel, and therefore @Malthusian_Spook understand this foolish idea.
@Malthusian_Spook simply dont respect it ethically nor practically. It has never worked. Youd like @Malthusian_Spook too believe that if israel just commits a few more war crimes palestinans will just shrug snd say "guess we gotta roll over and take it" and they'll never again retaliate against israel?
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C- for reading comprehension.
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@Malthusian_Spook stand with israel
And @Malthusian_Spook is disregarding you're attempt too remove yourself from the context here.
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And also hunt down all the hostages' families and kill them too
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Now you're thinking
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I was told repeatedly by Palestinians there weren't any hostages and it was a lie and the numbers were made up.
Honestly suprised theres more than 30 left
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Israel bombing Gaza at random has killed 2% of Gaza's population in an even spread (mostly civilians) but also has targeted Hamas strongholds with pinpoint accuracy to kill all the hostages.
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Frick that. If @PeepeeButtKiss is taken hostage the government better come rescue @PeepeeButtKiss
Trans lives matter
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They wouldn't have to worry about hostages if there were no palestoids in the future
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I only advocate for violence against the individuals and organizations that use violence to undermine Israeli security. Civilian casualties should occur only by necessity, but that includes completing military objectives against the aforementioned violent individuals and organizations.
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@Malthusian_Spook stand with israel
Muh necessary civilian casualties
Spoken like a true jackboot
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Whats your opinion on palestoid trucks of peace?
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When you say shit like this, you are basically saying "I am a brainwashed member of the public that repeats shit that none of the actual intel or defense agencies believe for one second"
our governments make deals with hostage takers and terrorists all freaking day, and have for decades, if they actually believed or were concerned that was an incentive to their activities, wouldn't they just eliminate them
The world is run by realpolitik, people do things for reasons and motivations, taking hostages is just like bombing civilian hospitals - a means to an end. This type of reasoning is like a brain disease that was foisted on the public by the media, and here's a guy willingly showing to everyone that yeah, he's an r-slured brainwashed r-slurred that regurgitates what they have been told on tv.
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Realpolitik is just game theory with chuddy goals, and I don't own a TV or use any streaming services other than YouTube. I've never seen an episode of 24 or whatever you assume I might watch in this space.
I reached the conclusion of "don't give up things for hostages" from the first principles of the game theory and how operative conditioning work. You get what you reward. If you reward hostage-taking, you get more of it.
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This is only true if you model the very first layer of interactions and nothing else. It's not just simplistic, it's shallow and stupid. "if I do what the other person wants they will keep coercing me" is the dumbest form of reasoning.
Did the IRA keep bombing when their demands were met? No? Weird, absolutely weird, how negotiating with terrorists was what it took to resolve that conflict, that is to say, resolving the thing that was leading to the conflict in the first place.
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The primary goal of Hamas is elimination of Israel. You're assuming they're satisfiable in a sustained, stable way. They're not.
The IRA's demands were largely achievable; they didn't seek elimination of the UK/Britain as an entity.
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No, the reasoning goes that if you reward people who bomb, they will simply continue to bomb and make more demands. The simplistic "if you reward someone doing a bad thing, they will do more of the bad thing" simply doesn't work when you actually extract it to "What drives people to the level of care necessary to kill and harm over their grievance." And no, Hamas just wants to stop being cucked, they don't want to destroy Israel, and pretending otherwise doesn't make it true.
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The Hamas covenant:
I guess they just say they want to destroy Israel as one of their charter goals?
https://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/hamas.asp
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Yeah if someone says something, it has to be true, it doesn't go any further than that. There is no posturing, there is no such thing as "does this person have the ability to do what they want" there's no "perhaps this is how they feel ideologically or rhetorically". There's none of that. These impossible savages armed with rocks absolutely want to kill us and we'll have to keep killing them by the hundreds of thousands or more until they finally figure out to stop doing that.
Again, this is the reasoning of a fricking imbecile. Are you really this dumb? I don't think so. This is the reasoning that is required to engage with the propaganda you've been spoonfed, and it's shameful. Why do you go out in public and display your absolute fricking obedience to something you've been told and never actually considered?
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It also comports with their practices. If the people who eventually backed Hamas just wanted dignity in the form of something like a two-state solution, they could have had it. It was on offer at least once in the past generation. It was, of course, on offer from the UN in 1947/1948 as well.
You might argue that Israel is simply incapable of upholding peace with her neighbors, but obviously Jordan is a counterexample, and an Islamic one at that. Jordan gets along fine with Israel and even participating in defending Israel from an Iranian attack.
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Maybe isn'treal should fix its own gay border that let the middle eastern equivalent of hicks in pickup trucks kill and kidnap hundreds of people. They were too busy watching the skies for fireworks
Fix that and the "incentives" don't matter. Not that they do anyway, because sandshit is fundamentally irrational
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There are numerous Arab/Iranian r-slurs that think with this outcome the Oct. 7th attacks were a victory. They managed to capture a handful of hostages at the small cost of the lives of more than 40,000 Palestinians, decimation of the Hamas leadership, decimation of the Hezbollah leadership, loss of support from Syria, control being given back the Palestinian Authority, and the conflict paving the way for faster Israeli settlement expansion. Lebanon remains Israel's playground. Syrian leadership is openly appeasing the West and Israel. Jordan remains unopposed to Israel. Iran got completed humiliated. Egypt did nothing. Saudi Arabia did nothing. Turkey did nothing.
The belief of Hamas that simply making Israel look unsafe for Israelis would be enough for a victory was proven wrong. The idea that the world would step in to save the Palestinians was proven wrong. It's a total Israeli victory. Hamas should definitely try more terrorist attacks and hostage takings, that'll definitely work.
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Exactly, the war itself should look like a "disincentive" for militants to attack like that again, but I wouldn't be surprised if they did, when given the opportunity.
Hilarious that both jihad shills and zionazis think Hamas getting something back for the hostages means they "won", after Gaza has been bombed for 15 months
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