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EFFORTPOST Lebanon: Beginning of 2025

A lot has happened in Lebanon over these last couple years and I haven't given a breakdown on the situation across the country because I didn't know wtf was going on most of the time. Everything is finally settling down so I think I can approach this now. I'm going to skip the events of the war because I have talked about those already. I'll just compare the situation before and after the war.

Situation October 6

Lebanon is a total shitshow in every possible way. The economy has totally collapsed. The politicians are all the same ones from 1990, the gangsters who were lucky enough to not get car-bombed during the Civil War. The government doesn't function anymore. Even the lowliest civil service job is appointed through patronage from one of the gangs parties based on a complicated scheme where power is divided among a dozen religious sects. That system has broken down and nothing is getting down now. For example they can't remove a pile of 2,000 tons of decaying explosives before it explodes or provide power for more than a few hours per day. The presidency has been vacant for a year because the various factions refuse to compromise with each other.

Background note: The President of Lebanon is elected by the parliament, not a popular vote. He needs a 2/3 vote so there has to be consensus. He must be a Maronite Christian.

Every one of the parties I talk about below are from the civil war. I've written extensively about all of them. It's not really necessary to understand this but if you have any questions about them, I probably answered it there. If you haven't read them, short story: They're all buttholes.

Who is to blame for the impasse? There's a lot to throw around.

  • The Sunnis for whatever can't come up with any unifying leader beyond Saad Hariri, who is too busy licking caviar off a whore's nipple in Ibiza to inspire political change.

  • The Christians are divided. FPM, a vehicle that the last president used to support his megalomaniacal Napoleon-inspired ambitions. He's way too old now so he's turned it over to his son-in-law who is notorious for being even more corrupt, greedy, and r-slurred than your average Lebanese politician.

  • The Lebanese Forces during the war was basically the mafia controlling and "protecting" Christian areas. Now they've reinvented themselves as a political party, but they're still run by literal serial killer whose main job during the war was doing massacres and gang hits against Christian rivals. But now he's got a bunch of r-slurred zoomers supporting him, because hey, who care's about his body count if it was a long time ago?

  • Marada is a small Christian party that represents the interests of the Franjieh family, who have strong support in one region of the country and close ties to Syria. Notable because he's Hezbollah's favorite and his opponent in the election Geagea personally murdered his entire family.

  • The Druze still are completely loyal to Walid Joumblatt. He knows that his sect is a small minority so he throws his weight behind whoever is going to win. At least when he's not too busy smoking weed and shitposting on Twitter.

  • Amal is basically all the Shi'a who don't back Hezbollah. Maybe they're secular. Maybe they're normal Shi'a who just don't buy into Ayatollah Khomeini's Vilayat-e Faqih heresy. They don't have the luxury of idealism since most factions in the country and most regional countries are gunning for the Shi'a right now. Led by Nabih Berri, speaker of parliament and a genius for using political patronage to wheel and deal for what he wants. Lots of blood on his hands too from the war.

Hezbollah is important enough to get more than a bullet point. I don't know what to call this organization. It's an army, a militia, a political party, and a welfare system. They gained a lot of prestige for driving the Israeli occupiers out in 2000 after a long guerilla war. Everyone was like "cool, now that the war is over you can give up your weapons". But they found bullshit excuses to not demobilize and resentment has been building since then. Most of the corruption in the country isn't done directly by them, but they use their military power to block anyone from fixing the government, because if they did it would order them to disarm.

They're in trouble now. A lot of their popularity came from social programs that they did in impoverished mostly-Shi'a areas that the government didn't give a shit about. That was funded by Iran. With the sanctions and general decay of the regime, Iran is in serious trouble and has had to cut their donations way back. The population is really pissed off at the complete breakdown of the government and is smart enough to realize that Hezbollah is cockblocking any effort to reform it to solve their problems.

Even more serious, the Assad regime in Syria has dominated Lebanon for most of the last 60 years. Most of these factions have been allied with them at one time or another, but their power has greatly weakened after the Syrian Civil War left the regime as a crippled fragment of the country. Now it's Hezbollah who are most dependent on them. Iran delivers weapons to them through Syria, so they can't keep building up their rocket arsenal without it.

Israel and Hezbollah have both been remarkably good about keeping the cease-fire since 2006. Hezbollah is deterred by Israel's completely overwhelming military power and the damage they suffered in 2006. Israel is deterred by their humiliating defeat in the ground war in 2006 and Hezbollah's massive arsenal of 150,000 rockets, many of which are long-range precision-guided missiles in the same league as ATACMS.

Now

The situation has radically changed in the last few months, more than I've seen in my life time. To summarize the parts of the war important for us here: It turns out that Hezbollah's huge rocket arsenal was vastly exaggerated by the Israelis. The 150,000 rockets didn't exist. The Israelis have infiltrated their organization to an astonishing degree and kill most of their leadership. The Assad regime collapsed like a wet piece of cardboard.

The good news is that the "Shiite Duo" (Hezbollah and Amal) that has cockblocked any kind of reform in Lebanon is not able to do so any longer. They can't be completely ignored, but they can't stop the nation from making progress. Hezbollah is in complete disarray. Their leaders are dead and every means of communication they have is presumably compromised. Just as they can't coordinate their military forces, they probably can't even come up with any political policy. The collapse of Assad's regime means that they can't rearm and replace the weapons lost in this war.

The general public already was very turned off on them before the war started as they were the most powerful faction so they were most to blame for the country's dysfunction. They might have won some moderate degree in sympathy if they had won victories on the battlefield like in 2006 but their catastrophic military defeats have completely undermined their whole raison d'etre. The said that we have to tolerate a "resistance" group outside of the government's control because they were the only ones who could protect the country against Israeli aggression. That made a lot of sense in 1990s, not very much sense afterward, and it makes no sense now. The completely failed to do any damage with their vaunted rockets and on the ground the IDF was too smart to play their game and just didn't attack. So if you're a Christian, a Sunni, or probably most of the Shi'a who don't have a zealot personality type, all Hezbollah managed to accomplish was to drag the whole country into a war and then lose it. Remind me again, why do we let these people have their own private army?

After the cease-fire a president was finally elected after 2 years. The Shiite Duo stopped insisting on Franjieh, who would never have won because if he's president he might remember that Geagea killed his dog (and the rest of his entire family) and go John Wick on him. The winner is commander of the armed forces Joseph Aoun, no relation to commander of the armed forces Michel Aoun who was the last president. ("Aoun" is like "Smith" and they always go to the army for a compromise candidate.)

Joseph Aoun

He seems like a good choice. He joined the army in 1983. During the Civil War he fought for Michel Aoun against the Lebanese Forces of Samir Geagea in the 1990 "War of Elimination" when the army tried to wipe out the gangsters terrorizing Christians and assert the authority of the state. Notice that I mentioned both of these people above and this is the second presidential candidate who fought against Geagea. Are you guys starting to understand why this soap opera is so interesting?

Word is that he's always been very apolitical and gets along with everyone. He did military training in the USA and Syria. His election is approved by Saudi Arabia, the USA, Qatar, France, all the major factions in Lebanon. (Notice this is the one country in the world where their soveriegnty is such a joke that other countries openly declare which candidate they're voting for.) We can only pray that he ends up like Fuad Chehab, the one successful Lebanese president, who was put into power by the US with the same idea, that he was an apolitical compromise candidate who everyone in the country and the region could accept. He went on to create the good times of the 1960s, so who knows, anything could happen.

Hezbollah is playing hard to get, whining about his choice of prime minister, but this is a negotiation tactic. The other factions, even the Maronite patriarch, have said that nobody will be excluded. By this they mean that Hezbollah will get some representation in the cabinet.

Future

What does the future hold for the Lebanese? Hopefully a hot twink with a nice car who can get you a green card. But we're going to look at the national level.

I am very very cautiously optimistic about this new government. I can't think of a single time since 1975 when there was a government that might be willing and able to act like this is a real adult grown-up country. Not even because of Hezbollah. They were just a symptom. The real problem was the Assad regime. There was no way Lebanon could even try to improve itself as long as that existed. They had their tentacles into every part of society. I don't expect we're gonna see true democracy like the USA in 1864 break out tomorrow, but this is legit the first time most of the people in this country could even begin to start trying to make progress in reforming their political system. I mean heck, they might even start breaking down the barriers between the religious sects like everyone has been promising to do since 1943.

There's a lot of dangers left though. Hezbollah and Assad getting the shit kicked out of them brings a lot of opportunities but there's a lot of potential ways to frick this up. I know I'm a nattering nabob of negativity, but I've been saying for decades that when we get rid of them we have to have a plan for how to replace them.

One immediate concern is the Alawis in Lebanon. They have a neighborhood in Tripoli. The population is, I dunno, maybe 10k. There was a lot of fighting between them and the local (Sunni) population several years ago. Not to mention during the Civil War. Now they're totally isolated deep in the territory of people who have really intense reasons to hate them. There's been a lot of cases of isolated communities like this getting massacred. Although on the bright side, those were during wartime and since the Alawis are no real threat to them anymore they'll probably be fine.

Second is the Shi'a. It's difficult for me to follow what's going on with them because they don't post much in English unless it's straight-up propaganda like al-Manar. What I know is, most of them have zero interest in Hezbollah's corruption, its wars, its heresies imported from Iran, its weirdo restrictions on your social life, among other things. They backed them because there is a real legitimate fear among everyone that the other two sects will gang up and wipe you out. The Lebanese Shi'a now have no friends in the world except Iran, which is completely impotent at the moment with a regime bankrupt financially and morally and on the edge of collapse. In my boomer times, the US would have stepped in to reassure these people that they're not about to get genocided.

Third is the Israelis doing their usual bullshit. Signed a "cease-fire" and kept firing. I guess the implicit understanding was if Hezbollah stops shooting rockets they'll stop blowing away all the apartment buildings in Beirut. In the news they report every little detail of the treaty, but it's understood that most of those are just for show and won't be followed. But Israeli domestic politics once again goes against its national interests. They're not going to leave a couple of the villages on the border that they promised to in the cease-fire. This is very typical of Israeli diplomacy: Always break every agreement a little bit just to remind them that you've got the upper hand and they can't do anything about it. Which dooms them to eventually be in constant war with everyone, but at least in the case of Smotrich and Ben Gvir that's exactly the point. The people they forced out of these villages, Christians and Muslims, are not just going to forget about it. And there's already psycho fringe Israelis trying to build settlements there. They're the fringe now, but once they've got facts on the ground, they'll make sure this keeps going for generations.

Fourth is what Hezbollah does when they're in a corner. In 2006 they won a conventional war which was incredibly shocking. Now their conventional army is destroyed. If they go back to fighting, they're gonna go back to guerilla warfare. And they're really good at that. And if they're really desperate, they'll go back to terrorism. You dipshits call them a "terrorist organization" because you think "terrorist" is a synonym for "bad". They stopped doing terrorism a long time ago but it's not because they found Jesus and became nice. If they get desperate they'll go back to it. And it won't be in Israel.

Hopes

Everything is going right for Lebanon right now except for Israel continuing to bomb them. If the cabinet there just has anybody who wants to accept that they won a war and not prolong it, everything will be fine. The ball is in their court.

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This r-slur has no actual analysis of any geopolitical situation and just ctrl C+V's whatever evidence he can find from Brookings or CFR or Chatham to support whatever hypothesis props up in his drug addled Boomer mind.

The good news is that the "Shiite Duo" (Hezbollah and Amal) that has cockblocked any kind of reform in Lebanon is not able to do so any longer. They can't be completely ignored, but they can't stop the nation from making progress. Hezbollah is in complete disarray. Their leaders are dead and every means of communication they have is presumably compromised. Just as they can't coordinate their military forces, they probably can't even come up with any political policy. The collapse of Assad's regime means that they can't rearm and replace the weapons lost in this war.

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!fellas this r-slur… :marseyfacepalm: we !fincels peruse such reports on a daily basis. Just do yourself a favor and read this report from where he plagiarized stuff

https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/whats-happening-lebanon-guide-war-torn-democracy

@nuclearshill tag historychads too

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Wow who cares, if @Redactor0 did plagiarise my respect for him just went up

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Rdrama equivalent of the soyest redditor type comment. Hang yourself from the nearest beam

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nou

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Some new information has been provided to me and I don't reply to libertarians

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Some new information has been provided to me and I don't reply to libertarians

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@Aevann rule enforcement please

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Whats the rule??? :marseyconfused:

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dont be r-slurred

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Thats a rule??? :marseygasp: but go off

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done king

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:marseyblowkiss:

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R-slur.

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@aydyn It's my decision whether or not I want to reply and for whatever reason I want.

The General Secretary mandate has expressedly mentioned that.

If the General Secretary wants to amend his own rules, that's fine by me. Get him involved.

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Frickin lol

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It's too bad you won't be around to see much more because you've got drug-resistant strains of AIDS and that kind of hepatitis that you get from buttsex. :marseysad:

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lol I didnt even insult you, but you get this mad

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jfc everyone's going for the head today

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I actually took the time to read the article you linked and none of this OP was copied out of it. Go back to kiwifarms and leave my dad @Redactor0 alone if you're going to be a needlessly hostile and dishonest person.

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Every word that came out of your mouth is a lie. Stop taking sides and go back to Reddit if you want to deepthroat other people so much :marseytroll:

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I'm taking a side because I read the article you linked and you were lying and used ping groups to gang up on him knowing that most rdramatards are too illiterate to verify. :marseyannoyed:

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Maybe he shouldn't try to pretend to be knowledgeable in something that he isn't and go die from his broken hips or something idc

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https://media.tenor.com/DtQKl7J3IYoAAAAx/rude-cat-cat-rude.webp

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you're not very kind bb

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I know right. Hard to find coompassion

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Shockingly based behavior

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Plagiarism is good tho

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Diversity is Lebanon's strength, goy. What more do you need to know about it.

:#marseymerchant:

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:#marseygigaretard:

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https://i.rdrama.net/images/1737229958LMnOMQXT9tFxnA.webp

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Nothing in that paragraph is even "analysis". That's just stuff that's really obvious that everyone is saying, so it's no shock that I came to the same "conclusions" too. I write these for people who aren't constantly reading the news from Lebanon, so I include some background information like this that would be obvious to me and the CFR people but not to a normal person.

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Wow, did ChatGPT write that for you or was that some my left foot voodoo?

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You seem to be pretty emotionally involved in this situation in Lebanon. Would you care to explain why?

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Yes. @Redactor0 wrong.

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Leak some stuff on the farms again king :marseybegging:

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!metashit Losercel pines for our cuc king, but was sadly ignored

Better luck next time!

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I posted this after he got permabanned. :marseygiveup:

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Oh how the crumble cookies

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darn you didn't even make him say "please"

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Redactor didn't plagiarize it I read the article he linked with the accusation. :marseysad: I come back for like two days and everyone is so mean and stupid here.

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Oh hey welcome back bb how were ur holidays?

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IRL things here are good, we were in the El Nido province of Palawan for a couple weeks spreading out the island hopping tours between lazy days on the beaches and kayaking before touring the other areas. It's the least developed/most intact large island left so lots of very gorgeous rainforests and mangroves with resorts in the areas with longer expanses of sand. You can get a sense of what we saw in this lil clip if you're curious. We saw a monitor lizard on the beach :marseysoypoint: and drank lots of mango shakes underneath of cabanas. My parents said that it was reminiscent of but compared favorably to Puerto Rico and I'd agree. :marseymariachi:

After returning to Luzon we've just been keeping on keeping on, I decided during my break to stop commenting much and get back to reading more and continuing to develop my whittling skills while I listen to podcasts. :marseysneed: I'm not exactly on the same wavelength as most of the users here. :marseythinkorino:

https://media.tenor.com/yeOVFfSc4y4AAAAx/eclutter-the-life-changing-magic-of-tidying-up.webp

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That place is beautiful. I would have especially loved it as a kid. OMG there's a hidden cove behind the cliffs!!! :marseysoypoint:

I'm not exactly on the same wavelength as most of the users here.

You lack the constant need to tear down others, inability to ever find happiness in your own life, and rapid extreme mood swings.

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spreading out the island hopping tours between lazy days on the beaches and kayaking before touring the other areas.

Gosh I'm jealous. It's cold af here. Gonna be highs in the single digits (F). There's a holiday coming up but it's too cold for me to reasonably even go for a walk. Frick winter.

Just remember to check in from time to time for the !animalposters pings, truly the best part of this site.

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The average temperature in December over here hovers around 85F. :marseytoasty3: I don't think I'll ever miss the great lakes/midwest winters having gone through two of them.

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I didn't even read his comment tbh

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