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How Labeling Cartels as 'Terrorists' Could Hurt the U.S. Economy - The New York Times ( :marseyhmmm: unironically :marseyaware: what the heck )

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/01/22/world/americas/mexico-cartel-terrorists-trade.html

Isolating U.S. companies from cartel activities could be almost impossible given that the criminal groups operate in sectors like agriculture and tourism, leaving some American businesses vulnerable to sanctions.

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>Offerings of flowers, candles, photos and dollar bills at a shrine to Jesús Malverde, a "narco-saint," in Culiacán, Mexico, the stronghold of the Sinaloa cartel. Credit: Meridith Kohut for The New York Times<s/up>

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President Trump's executive order designating Mexican cartels and other criminal organizations as foreign terrorists could force some American companies to forgo doing business in Mexico rather than risk U.S. sanctions, according to former government officials and analysts — an outcome that could have a major effect on both countries given their deep economic interdependence.

The executive order, which Mr. Trump signed on Monday, is intended to apply maximum pressure on Mexico to rein in its dangerous drug trade. The designation, more generally, also gives his administration more power to impose economic penalties and travel restrictions, and potentially even to take military action in foreign countries.

Yet, disentangling cartel operations from U.S. interests in Mexico could be immensely complicated. Mexico is the United States' largest trade partner of goods, and many American companies have manufacturing operations there.

Even more complicated, these criminal networks have extended their operations far beyond drug trafficking and human smuggling. They are now embedded in a wide swath of the legal economy, from avocado farming to the country's billion-dollar tourism industry, making it hard to be absolutely sure that American companies are isolated from cartel activities.

"This has come up in previous administrations across the political spectrum and from members of Congress who have wanted to do it," said Samantha Sultoon, a senior adviser on sanctions policy and threat finance in the Trump and Biden administrations.

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"But no one has done it because they have looked at what the implications would be on trade, economic and financial relationships between Mexico and the United States," she added. "They have all come away thinking that such a designation would actually be super shortsighted and ill-considered, though prior administrations viewed the U.S.-Mexico relationship far differently than the incoming Trump administration appears to."

The foreign terrorist designation could lead to severe penalties — including substantial fines, asset seizures and criminal charges — on companies and individuals found to be paying ransom or extortion payments. U.S. companies could also be ensnared by standard payments made to Mexican companies that a cartel controls without the American companies' knowledge.

Some extortion payments, even if made under duress, could be considered "material support" to cartels, said Pablo Zárate, senior managing director at FTI Consulting, an American firm that released a report laying out some of the risks of the terrorist designation.

Former U.S. officials and analysts pointed out that it would be nearly impossible to identify which business may employ or be affiliated with cartel members given the tens of thousands of people involved and operating in various industries, including the hotel and agriculture sectors. Cartels use the legal economy to launder money, which could mean that unwitting employees working at a resort or an avocado packing company could technically be on the cartel payroll but not know it.

As a result, companies in the risk-averse American financial sector may simply refuse to wire money to a Mexican factory, for example, to facilitate cross-border production and trade, or to wire money between personal accounts.

"Banks may turn away customers, because they may not think they are worth the risk if they have links to Mexico," said Eric Jacobstein, a former State Department official in the Biden administration.

Banks could ultimately decide to avoid entire sectors perceived as high risk, said Fabian Teichmann, a Swiss lawyer and expert on terrorist financing. Mr. Teichmann singled out Mexico's avocado trade, where cartels have drastically expanded their operations, as one area that could come under greater scrutiny.

"Banks might say, 'We don't want to be anywhere close to those who are considered to be terrorists, so we want to avoid that risk,'" Mr. Teichmann said. "From a banking perspective, that will be a very reasonable decision."

Other types of financial institutions that facilitate payments between the United States and Mexico could also be affected, such as Venmo or PayPal, which Mr. Trump's close confidant Elon Musk helped found.

The terrorist label could also push big parts of Mexico's economy further into the shadows, where cash is used instead of electronically traceable transactions, making it harder for investigators to examine the cartels' financial structures, Mr. Teichmann said.

"If people can't bank legitimately, they escape to so-called underground banking systems," Mr. Teichmann said.

In 2024, the American Chamber of Commerce in Mexico surveyed 218 companies and found that 12 percent of respondents said that "organized crime has taken partial control of the sales, distribution and/or pricing of their goods."

The multinational banana producer Chiquita Brands was found liable in 2024 for killings by a Colombian right-wing paramilitary group that was designated as a terrorist organization. Chiquita Brands said that it had been extorted by the paramilitary group and forced to make payments to protect its Colombian employees. Plaintiffs, however, argued that the company had paid the paramilitary group to run out residents to buy land at depressed values.

The terrorist designation would also hurt American companies that are firmly north of the border but rely on Mexican labor. The designation is so broad and vague that ranches in Texas or farms in California could be swept up by the penalties if their employees send remittances to family members in Mexico who are involved in organized crime.

If money transfer companies like Western Union also stop transactions to Mexico over worries about properly vetting Mexican clients, it could affect the remittances the country relies on. That would be devastating for the Mexican economy, which received $63.3 billion in remittances in 2023, nearly 5 percent of the country's gross domestic product.

:marseypikachu2: waow

The foreign terrorist designation could also pave the way for the United States to deploy forces inside Mexico against criminal organizations without the Mexican government's consent, as it did in Afghanistan and Syria.

But Afghanistan was occupied by the United States, and Syria's government lost control over much of its territory in recent years. That gave Washington some cover under international law for the American military to deploy troops and launch special-forces operations to kill or capture terrorist leaders in those countries.

Mexico, however, has built up cooperation with the United States for over 30 years to counter the cartels. Mexico could threaten to halt cooperation if the United States is seen to be violating Mexico's sovereignty. When the U.S. federal prosecutors office arrested Mexico's former defense secretary during Mr. Trump's first administration, the Mexican government halted all cooperation with the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration.

"Unilateral action would be catastrophic," said Craig Deare, a former U.S. military attaché at the U.S. Embassy in Mexico in the 1990s.

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>A fentanyl cook for the Sinaloa cartel at work last month

>A fentanyl cook for the Sinaloa cartel at work last month

>A fentanyl cook for the Sinaloa cartel at work last month

>Meridith Kohut for The New York Times

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"It would dismantle any collaboration and decades of Republican and Democratic efforts to build a defense relationship with Mexico," he said, adding, "If you don't like cooperation now, wait until Mexico cuts all ties."

On Tuesday, President Claudia Sheinbaum of Mexico issued a stern warning to Mr. Trump during her daily news conference. "We will always defend our sovereignty," Ms. Sheinbaum said. "We all want to fight the drug cartels, that is obvious. So what should we do? We have to coordinate efforts; we have to collaborate," she said.

"May they know that the president of the republic will always defend Mexico above all else," the Mexican president added.

A correction was made on Jan. 22, 2025: An earlier version of this article misidentified the organization that conducted a survey of 218 companies. It was the American Chamber of Commerce in Mexico, not the U.S. Chamber of Commerce.

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I'm fricking stealing this

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Why? :marseysad:

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so American businesses stop buying from the Mexican elite business class which suddenly creates an domestic incentive in Mexico to actually do something about their crime problem for the first time in a century? :marseyscream:

In 2024, the American Chamber of Commerce in Mexico surveyed 218 companies and found that 12 percent of respondents said that "organized crime has taken partial control of the sales, distribution and/or pricing of their goods."

our gov doesn't control our country, please keep buying from us https://media.tenor.com/oZBU1qSyvTEAAAAx/freezing-south-park.webp

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The article is full of wild assumptions

The terrorist designation would also hurt American companies that are firmly north of the border but rely on Mexican labor. The designation is so broad and vague that ranches in Texas or farms in California could be swept up by the penalties if their employees send remittances to family members in Mexico who are involved in organized crime.

Uh yeah I mean maybe technically one could read the law like that but I really, really don't think some random agricultural firm is gonna get clapped by it because some of their employees - with zero input or knowledge of the firm - sent remittance payments to family members in Mexico. If anything it's the employees who would get in trouble. And good, they should be, I can't send money to my cousin in ISIS why tf would it be okay to fund the cartels.

This is Opinion-tier slop but it's published by the paper directly, it's not an opinion column.

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Idk. I think they are starting to go kinda to far...

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I aint reading all that (gotta get back to family guy funny moments) but I will now continue with my life believing the new york times is controlled by cartels

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NYT journ*lists just causally hanging out in the cartel fentanyl kitchen :marseyconfused:

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Does he sip a glass of wine as he cooks, sharing stories of the childhood experiences that inspired this particular 'dish'?

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Honestly sounds like a good time

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:awwsweet:

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"defense relationship with Mexico" The mexican army still uses ww2 half tracks we gave them like 50 years ago lol.

https://old.reddit.com/r/MilitaryPorn/comments/wtjthk/halftrack_belonging_to_the_mexican_army_720x503/

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It's ok

They updated to Minecraft textures from 16 years ago

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I'm more concerned about the cartels putting out a hit on Trump and succeeding because of the general incompetence of the federal agencies. Trump has made no friends among the FBI/CIA/NSA/SS.

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Trump promoted the rightmost guy in

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to be the new head of secret service

like yesterday

and he's stripping security clearance from all kinds of people in various departments :marseypikachu2: and being like "you're fired" over and over

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being like "you're fired" over and over

he trained for this

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Sure, he can appoint whoever he wants, but there are tons and tons of drones. If you fire everyone and then appoint all new people, and the right doesn't have a bench of competent people tbh, then you're setting yourself up for failure all over again.

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Some border kidnappings, carjackings, and murders are a small price to pay for tacos and my lifestyle in the white american part of meh-he-coh.

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Chiquita Brands

Anyone know how I get on the Chiquita kill squad?

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Why bother when you could sign up with the Pinkertons

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Good old United Fruit Company still at it.

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