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An r/RareHistoricalPhotos user asks others to stop portraying Nazis positively. Reactions are mixed

https://old.reddit.com/r/RareHistoricalPhotos/comments/1i7eq0c/petition_to_remove_posts_that_show_nazis_in_a/ 

								

								

									
									
The original post: Petition to remove posts that show Nazi's in a positive light. E.G. "My grandfather fought in the German Army in the 1930s" posts, which always devolve into Nazi apologism, and similar posts. It's time to stop this kind of garbage from being accepted here.
Some of the reactions and arguments:
>I never really see posts like that example you have. Sure, there are Nazi posts sometimes, but they are almost always explaining what is going on the in the picture, not supporting it or anything like that
>Standing ovations for ukranian who fought with nazi. OOTL. What's up with everyone hating on Prime Minister Trudeau? https://i.imgur.com/a/rhg4Imq https://old.reddit.com/r/OutOfTheLoop/comments/1hqhcd8/comment/m4rvhne/?context=8 https://old.reddit.com/r/OutOfTheLoop/comments/1hqhcd8/comment/m4ryddo/?context=8
>That's not this sub. It is implied that he's referring to posts on this sub.
>It's implied they referring to pro Hitler supporters. "That's not this sub. It is implied that he's referring to posts on this sub" deflection lol
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>Jesus people. Lets just ban every little thought that pops into your heads.
>[reply thread 1] Welcome to Reddit. The most deranged site on the internet.
>Not been to many sites?
>[reply thread 2] I know right it feels like the 100th petition post I've seen. It's an annoying new strain of bots.
>Anti Nazi bots > your Nazi sympathies
>Excuse me? Nobody ever speaks to me like that. I know you're a troll and that this is ragebait, but still. I can't believe you'd call me a foul thing over this. This behavior is disgusting, I hope you repent and self-reflect on this later.
>[another branch of thread 2] I think you're onto something there. My whole timeline has been an "anti-nazi" crusade. Bots seems likely.
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>Yes! Only through vigorous censorship can we defeat fascism!
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>Is saying, "Not every German soldier who fought in the Wehrmacht was a psychopathic Jew hater?" Nazi apologism? Should we also insist that every photo about Vietnam include a reference to My Lai?
>[thread 1] Yes. That is nazi apologism. If you actually wanted to talk about that, you'd post "this is x person who was drafted into the German military despite supporting the Jewish community". The "not all" argument is apologism and leads nowhere.
>Stating historical facts isn't apologism. I'd recommend reading up on the subject sometime, but people like you who are incapable of studying history without getting personally involved are the most likely to fall into dangerous ideologies like Nazism.
>I'm literally in the field of historical preservation, hence I know importance of wording when it comes to interpretation.
>[thread 2] Glorification and normalization of Nazi's should not be your goal, bud.
>I don't wish to glorify the Nazis, and I don't see anything in my original comment that suggests I wish to glorify the Nazis. I am a man who loves men; the Nazis would have killed me. That said, I think it's illogical to suggest that every single German man of that generation was a psychopath or that every single Russian man of that generation was a male feminist.
>Brain rot has convinced people that if you don't strap up every morning to prepared to stomp Nazis, that means you are one.
>Brain rot has caused people to forget that our grandfathers and great grandfathers were heros for stomping Nazis. The whole nation stood behind them and because of that we defeated the mass death, suffering and destruction that the Nazis brought with them. People need to be afraid of Nazi ideas again. You cannot cede them one single inch. The problem with Nazi apologism in even its mildest form of wanting to appear impartial, is that it convinces people that "they were just like us" means that it couldn't have been that bad instead of "holy frick we need to be careful."
>[another branch of thread 2] People didn't have to be psychopaths, or agree with every nazi position to either be a nazi or to help the nazis. Most evil in the world is committed by ordinary people.
>If they'd won, we would all be Nazis and be committing evil. Everyone seems to have this delusion that they would be one of the few resistance hero's but statistically, the majority would either be fervent supporters of the agenda that had been successfully propagandised into actually agreeing, or the other group who did horrible things because they and their families lives would otherwise have been at risk. See also: Stanford Prison Experiment
>The Stanford Prison 'Experiment' has been repeatedly debunked.) But you're right, people do go along with evil shit. It's still no excuse, everyone in germany should have resisted it way before the nazis seized power. Nobody's grandfather or great grandfather in the Nazi Wehrmacht gets a pass just bc it was difficult and unpopular to resist. Everyone has an obligation to resist fascism regardless of how many people actually do it.
>"Difficult and unpopular" = you're definitely going to die and your family is also probably going to die. Understatement of the year. I admire those that resisted but I know I'd be in that third group. I don't think I'm alone and I don't think that makes me a bad person
>[another branch of thread 2] They didn't do that at all. With how die-hard you are about trying to erase Nazi history, it honestly seems like you're trying to run some sort of psyop to erase all posts about them so that it's easier for them to bounce back once nobody can recite what they did. Spreading knowledge of their existence isn't promoting or normalizing them, it's remembering them. And the horrors they committed are something we NEED to remember for the sake of humanity.
>[another branch of thread 2] Correction- If you don't say that you're prepared to stomp Nazis while impotently raging at the world from your computer
>At least we have principles, basement dwelling Nazi
>["Everyone I Don't Like Is Hitler" reaction image]
>CarolinaNaziCuck would literally be a better username
>He raged, impotently, from his computer…
>Awww poor Nazi getting sad
>Sad? No, not really. I do feel a bit bad for you, though. The world must be a sad, scary place when you think that everyone who doesn't think exactly the same as you is a Nazi.
>Awww poor Nazi getting more sad
>If you're going to troll, I'm sure you can do better than that. This is just lazy.
>Awwww poor nazi being disappointed now. Poor Nazi gonna tell me I'm on troll food stamps now 😂
>Come on, you can do better than that. If you're going to throw around insults, you need something much more cutting. So far, you've called me a Nazi, a cuck, and said that I'm sad and disappointed. I'm none of the first three, but if this is you trying to insult me, you're right on that last point. EDIT: I don't know why you edited your comment to add the Food Stamps bit. So far, I don't think that I've insulted you even once, except to say that you need to work on your trolling. Also, interesting that you would assume that that's the criticism I'd make.
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>Ya, probably a good idea. Just wait for them to consider it "censorship", though. How about this one? My grandfather was dragged into a war because Nazi Germany decided they wanted to commit genocide and violate the sovereignty of multiple countries. I'd rather not see photos celebrating the people who were shooting at him on behalf of the Nazis. I'm well aware that the Wehrmacht wasn't necessarily comprised of Nazis itself, but it was an arm of the Nazi Party, and did its bidding. I'm beyond certain there were good men in the Wehrmacht who had no choice but to serve and did in fact use their position to help people when they could, but again, it was a military doing the bidding of genocidal control freaks. The institution should not be celebrated, and I'm sorry to say, your grandfather's service in such an army should not be celebrated. I, too, would be sad if my grandfather fought and sacrificed for what he thought was right, only to find that he fought for a mass murdering dictatorship. I would remember him as my grandfather, but would never celebrate his service to any such organization. Ya, they had nice uniforms and did well for the first few years of the war. Beyond that, they were the sword and shield of Nazism.
>"Just wait for them to consider it 'censorship', though." Frick 'em. They're Nazis. Their opinion doesn't matter. EDIT: Imagine downmarseying a comment for saying Nazi opinions don't matter.
>[thread 1] Being interested in historical war photos doesn't make someone a Nazi.
>This is a disingenuous characterization of what's happening with Nazi apologism.
>But it's a perfect representation of what you're suggesting with this ludicrous post. You don't understand Nazi apologism, you're an internet vigilante trying to burn every book (post) that proves that they existed. Stop trying to help Nazis come back by erasing public knowledge of them.
>[thread 2] I'm not defending the Nazis, frick em, but not every solider that fought for the Wehrmacht was a complete Nazi psychopath. Some were forced in and didn't want to make a fuss about it or else they'd look suspicious and probably be killed. There were a lot psychotic Nazis in the Wehrmacht, but not every single one were like. A good example is the Battle of Castle Itter, when it was the ending hours of WWII and some Wehrmacht soldiers teamed up with U.S soldiers and attacked the SS that was up in the castle with POWs.
>Can you guess where stuff like this leads you? People taking it and running with is until it's apologist shit. That's why you don't allow it.
>I'm not a Nazi sympathizer at all, I am literally just saying what happened in the past. It's literally true that Wehrmacht soldiers fought with the Americans to kill the SS and free the POWs in the castle and some just served because they were forced and had no choice. It's history and it happened whether you liked it or not. I'm not a fricking Nazi sympathizer
>I know you aren't. Truly, I get that. But once you make an exception for something, while legitimate, it just attracts the actual nazis. Maybe I'm wrong. It's totally possible. But I don't think so. Honestly, I really didn't think you were a nazi sympathizer.
>That is true, those people can definitely chime in
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>Someone saw an out of context picture of Elon
>[thread 1] Although I disagree with op, here's context [gif of Elon Musk]
>Where's the sound? He literally says he's throwing his heart out to you.
>If I say "i love before" before punching a stranger in the eye, does that change the gesture? The man is 53 years old, so stop wiping his butt like he's a kid. Everyone else on the planet has managed not to do this, I watched it live, and that shit shocked the frick out of me as someone who has defended Elon for the past decade
>Everyone on the planet? There's pictures of practically everyone caught "saluting". You're just looking for something to relate them to Nazis.
>No. Not a picture. A video, a very clear 4k video of him doing the salute multiple times. If you want to carry water for nazis, instead of just acknowledging your own two eyes, then I don't know what to say. The man is again, 53yrs old and has made his decisio
>International audience here. It's a horrific look. The republican's that are defending him by saying its a Roman salute OR its throwing his heart out are pathetic. After all, it can't be both. Better yet. A particular German dictator in the 40's also did his salute by "throwing his heart out" as well. Go look at footage of him doing it.
>What's crazy is you think I give a shit about outside opinion.
>I love their self awareness
>[thread 2] Yea, they should definitely watch the video where he turns around and does a nazi salute to the flag lol
>Like this? [gif of Hitler and Elon doing similar gestures]
>No. His hand is flat against his chest, grabbing at his heart.
>So now it's not "pound your chest" because you realize that's exactly what he did. You can literally hear the pound of his hand against his chest as he did it live.
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>I mean history is a serious academic discipline after all. Not at all written by the victors - it's objective!
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>I agree. As a Pole can we also refer to them as what they were Germans. Luftwaffe, Wechmacht all committed atrocities and not all were members of Nazi party. Do you refer to the Brits during the war as Conservatives
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>Agreed! Jews deserve to feel safe and heard! 🇮🇱🇮🇱🇮🇱
>[thread 1] 🖕🏽🇮🇱
>[thread 2] [Comment deleted by user]
>No, unless you agree with Elon?
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>This sub is mostly Nazis or sympathizers so this will probably not happen
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>I petition that you remove posts that falsely accuse people of being nazis first.
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>HATERS GONNA HATE… sounds about right….
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>Ideological purity is often at odds with the truth.
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>Lmao but I'm sure you have no problem showing communists in a positive light huh?
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>Why is anyone for banning any speech I don't get it! Do you think the Constitutional Right of free speech is for popular speech that everyone loves? No it's for unpopular speech that everyone hates! Speech is just speech words shouldn't mean that much to anyone!
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>with this sort of sensitivity I'd assume any portrayal of them you'd see as a positive portrayal and an attack on yourself. Nazis will be portrayed, they existed. Though not in a positive light.
Edit: added some more recent comments
https://old.reddit.com/r/SubredditDrama/comments/1i7tsvo/an_rrarehistoricalphotos_user_asks_others_to_stop/


									
								

							

							

								
									
								
							

							

								
	

							

						

						
						

							

								
							

						

					

					
						

							
							
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:#marseyarsey:
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https://old.reddit.com/r/RareHistoricalPhotos/comments/1i7eq0c/petition_to_remove_posts_that_show_nazis_in_a/:
I never really see posts like that example you have. Sure, there are Nazi posts sometimes, but they are almost always explaining what is going on the in the picture, not supporting it or anything like that:
Standing ovations for ukranian who fought with nazi. OOTL. What's up with everyone hating on Prime Minister Trudeau?:
https://i.imgur.com/a/rhg4Imq:
https://old.reddit.com/r/OutOfTheLoop/comments/1hqhcd8/comment/m4rvhne/?context=8:
https://old.reddit.com/r/OutOfTheLoop/comments/1hqhcd8/comment/m4ryddo/?context=8:
That's not this sub. It is implied that he's referring to posts on this sub.:
It's implied they referring to pro Hitler supporters. "That's not this sub. It is implied that he's referring to posts on this sub" deflection lol:
Jesus people. Lets just ban every little thought that pops into your heads.:
Welcome to Reddit. The most deranged site on the internet.:
Not been to many sites?:
 I know right it feels like the 100th petition post I've seen. It's an annoying new strain of bots.:

						


						
							

							

								
									
								
							


							

								
	

							


							

								

									

										
										

									


								
						

					
				


				

				
					
	

	
		

			
		


		

			

				
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