redditoids salivate at the idea of a 4-day-work-week 
and how Decent-Human-Being countries like (western) Europe (they have FREE healthcare btw) and UK (the evil ex-wife of Eurocucks), tested a trial run of a 4-day-work-week. AND IT WORKED GREAT 
Greetings strags 
The 4-day-work-week is one of my favorite redditisms. It always brings out the lazy useless commies out of the work week. And always, ALWAYS, these lazy fools try and masquerade their supposed desire to improve society, when instead they are merely desiring a terraforming of the world to suit their own interests, namely them wanting to work less hard hard like /r/antiWORK
I want to ask you dramatards today what you guys think about 4-day-work-weeks. Because it's always an inevitable circlejerk in the reddit euphoric-atheist eurocuck leftoid anti-yank anti-west crowd.
Yet for somebody who works in an already left wing dominated country, and for a private enterprise, I have my great reservations about only 4 working days per week. In our private company, and similar surveying companies, as well as for building contractors, architects, lawyers, Trade-industry like electricians and plumbers, the notion of a 4 day work week is absolutely fricking ANATHEMA
The reason being is that contrary to white-collar soul crushing useless corporate office hours wasting manhours, our 5 days also consist of accumulating clients and jobs and contracts and tenders, from the private world and the government. If i make this sound sophisticated, what i mean is that it basically boils down to cutting your potential outreach opportunity to clients and available office hours, or even available fricking contacts hours by a brutal 20%.
And while I'm not privy to our business' exact financials or contemporary SA surveying companies, I know the netto income is about 20%. And if the government would for example MANDATE or force a 4-day-work-week, it would slit our throats overnight.
Kaamrev, you guys would say, won't the clients just call/visit the office on Monday=>Tuesday. They might, but customers/clients are funny in the mercurial world of business, you will note if you own a private organization, in which you are solely responsible for accumulating/finding clients, that available hours have drastic influence on whether clients finally take the leap in contractig/buying a service.
Many surveyors and chainmen even work way beyond natural office hours, well earlier than 8am, and well beyond 5pm, if a particularly important/large job is at stake. Many would work Saturdays, and even sundays if pressure is at stake. I myself had done so for months last year, as there literally not enough hours in the fricking 40 hours work week to finish particularly dire projects. Last year i actually worked harder than I studied for my 3rd year at univeristy, not out of principle but sheer panic.
This notion of going beyond mandated 40 hour weeks, is probably unknown to wagie redditors who are paid the same, regardless of whether they do their best/slack off. And while I have sympathy for people in wage-cage jobs, in white-collar soul crushing office-cubicle heck -holes, where middle-managers force useless meetings and useless hours, and thus wasting your finite life span away for unclear goals, in unclear corpo leadership - but that is NOT why redditors champion 4-day-work-weeks. No it is because it appeals to them
Supermarket businesses like Checkers/Spar/Woolworths in South Africa, had steadily encroached on weekend openings about 20 years ago. I recall distinctly massive drama within the Christian communities in Safrica, that when places like Spar and Checkers began to have open hours on Saturday, and then eventually open hours on Sundays. Because sundays are supposed to be the day of rest. In the 1990s you had exceptions to the rule, and in the early 2000s, if your pantry was empty, because you had poor planning or some calamity, then you were fricked out of luck for food for sunday, unless you could find some street-vendor road-seller who would sell you some mielies for the day to tie you over for Sunday.
I distinctly remember many neighbours begging after Sunday services for some key ingredients or some flour or fruit, and promising to pay back on Monday, cuz there literally was no shopping mall or tuckshop or anything open the whole day! But as religiosity gradually faded throughout the country, corporations gradually found weekend openings to be acceptable and convenient to the public
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunday_shopping
So for these corporations, 7-day operating weeks became a virtual necessity. Because if they did NOT operate during the weekend as their competition did, they lost out on potential clients, because the people who would have shopped during regular weekdays were now satisfied for their groceries on weekends. Smaller grocery businesses would find themselves in a death knell had they not adapted.
And many small town businesses like mom-and-pop bakeries, who traditionally operated on weekdays like they had in the past, and was closed during the weekends as it was family run, and they had to take care of family/kids, would be screwed if they did not compete with corporate chains like Spar, which had bakeries, as the Entire monday sales period would be cut off, as customers had their monday needs met during the weekend.
A not too dissimilar phenomenon happens in trade or contract industries. Even if Governments could make a blanket ban on 5-day-work-weeks, so that your competitors could not operate on a 5th day, same a your company does, and thus steal your clients, there is a weird hidden opportunity cost lost by customers which were on the precipice of a decision, but your unavailability, lost them to your business. This is in addition to the potential loss of manhours to work on potential projects.
I also don't buy this mythos from popular rediditor zeitghest, that in ancient/medieval times, farmer peasants worked much less today, and only in our modern corporatized world we work ourselves into an early grave. I've seen actual farms - there's always work, if the pipes burst, they need to be fixed. It's many long and hard hours.
But I'm also aware historic labour laws came into being becuase of much sacrifice and due to great abuse by magnates and oligarchic businessmen who literally worked English children to death in mine shafts during the Bong Industrial Period.
What do you guys think?
Anyways some drama and sneed below
What does billionaires have to do with the 5-day-work-week?? 
It's like wagie redditors are so far removed from ever having had the fate of a business enterprise on their shoulders, that they equate a societal business norm of the past several hundred years due to the greed of a cabal of billinaires 
Thank frick for that
"STOP MAKING SENSE!" only stupid people want to work for 5 days a week! 
Some takes with more than 1 braincel
"It really depends on the industry. I work in manufacturing. Output is directly tied to labor hours applied. My wife works in healthcare. Obviously you still need staffing coverage 24/7."
This guy gets downkongd for pointing out against the circlejerk that the 4-day-work-week was only considered by the experimenting 61 companies, becuase it DIDN'T affect a loss of productivity, and these cute twinks downkong him for pointing out that any loss of productivity/ or incurring more costs like hiring additional staff would negate the feasibility
ooooooooooooooooooooooooohhhhhhh man he really pissed off these neetstrags 
"Congrats. Not everyone is you. You're not even going to stay the you that you are now. Try working 50 hours/week for 20 years and see if your productivity keeps up." 
lmoa 20 years, try people who worked 50 years of their lives you strags
Of course redditors can't read (or ever read the linked articles anyway)
"The dude you are replying to is just going around to very comment trying to justify why him and his area shouldn't allow people to work fewer hours. He also talked about not seeing any decrease in productivity till he pushed workers to work more than 50 hours a week." 
Anti-yank circlejerk begins
Those filthy yanks 
Again these redditors miss the forest for the trees. Sometimes a company cannot exist in a system where a loss of opportunity is caused by a loss of potential clients or contacts because the fricking business wasn't open or available for liaison
Some more redditors with braincells in smaller threads outside the usual 1000-point upkongd circlejerk teenage angst subthreads, ask significant questions, because they are skeptical of this supposed overgood news.
Manufacturing industries are out
Ok, nice link, thanks.
So the #1 category, by a large margin, is not-for-profits/charities. Which isn't very representative of most people's workplaces.
The #2 is the creative/consultant/PR/marketing space - an industry where the actual hours worked have little relevance.
I thought there was a construction company in there, but it turned out to be a Housing Association. Unfortunately, these really aren't representative of where most people work.
This guys shits 
on the hopes and dreams of soyneets and soywagies 
Anyways the same theme is repeated throughout the thread. What do YOU 
dramatards think?!
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Lots of tradies have been working 4 day weeks since the 80's at least. My dad did 4x10's and it seemed pretty dope. I'd love to have a three day weekend every week. This post really drives home that the average dramatard is just a contrarian redditor.
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the point wasn't to disavow 4-day-work-weeks as ineffective or desirable for both workers and companies for the sake of being contrarian, merely that such a norm or mandate would not be viable for different industries/businesses, and that redditors only support such a societal overhaul because they personally want to work less - they are not some higher arbiters of morality as they present themselves.
look at for example the treads where they blame billionaires and burgerland for the existence of the 5-day-work-week we currently have, which are not as related as redditors deem, they are only childish pet issues they despise. If talking about the amorality of burgerland corporate culture is worth, then I don't think the issue of workdays ae colinked.
I mentioned how Supermarket chains incrementally began operating over weekends, to increase selling opportunity windows, and now they can't easily go back, and how certain industries like tradesmen and manufacturers cannot easily reduce working days
I know many safrican electricians who work full days on Saturdays for a 6-day-work-week, because in this economy where we have 25% joblessness, they NEED that extra opportunity cost, for additional clients to stay afloat
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yes I want to work less for the same money, why would I not, I would also like more money for less work
!commenters
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It's about productivity, not X hours worked.
It's for white collar workers and not blue collar workers.
Studies have consistently shown with 32 hours you can be just as productive (or moreso even) than with 40.
Middle management doesn't want that to happen, because they're the main reason that we waste at least a day a week in unneeded meetings.
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how the frick does middle management get so bloated?
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Same way colleges became bloated with administrative positions over the past decades which cause the exponential rise in tuition.
Basically DEI
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Combination of nepotism and other middle managers trying to justify their own jobs by (lying) that they need more middle managers to fix the problem
Current HP: 8/75
Current Mana: 130/250
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Uhm, source?
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But now you'll get paid less.
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If they worked for two days less each that would create 30% more unsatisfied demand for labor and eliminate electrician joblessness. Think about it
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I want to work less. Working sucks. In the words of inimitable Boo
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Well maybe if those electricians worked 7-day weeks, you guys would have more electricity. Have you ever considered that?
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Yeah, they always say that sort of thing. They'd figure it out. This line of argument suggests that we should instead increase the work week to 6 or even 7 days to help with those businesses' viability.
Yeah, and? Who gives a shit? I want to work less too. The whole promise of all this technology we've built is that it makes us more efficient. I would like that efficiency to come back to me as free time.
Yeah it's not really related to "corporate amorality" in the sense that there's not some billionaire conspiracy to keep you wageslaving for 5 days purely out of cruelty, but it is a decision made purely in the absence of morality. Magic line needs to go up, so you need to work that extra day. It's not really any more complicated than that.
Almost none of those places are working the same employees 7 days a week. They have people rotate in shifts. A lot of them don't even give those employees full-time hours as-is because they don't want to have to pay them benefits.
Yeah, my dad worked 6 day weeks all the time, sometimes 7 depending on the job. He got double time for it so he was happy for the extra work. If western society shifted to a 4-day workweek, they wouldn't jail or shoot you for working extra, they would just have to provide an incentive to do so. And Safrica is a completely broken society, so counterexamples from there aren't useful because no place with working infrastructure or an economy functions like it.
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I didn't read all that, but I noticed you dunked on South Africa at the end⦠so
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Yeah you see the thing is Im not going to walk on the most fragile eggshell in the world: not hurting any industries, when deciding what kind of world I want to live in.
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The OP is about 32 hour weeks not compressed hours.
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Longer work days are kind of butt thou, redeemed only by geting wasted
on friday.
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There's better ways to divide up approximately 40 hours than 9 to 5 x 5 days like it's God's commandment. 4 x 10 sounds way comfier. I think my little brother was doing 3 x 12 when he was doing warehouse work. It's even more appealing the longer/worse your commute is.
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