Florence Spurling is a moderately popular knitwear designer who made her Scout Shawl pattern in 2021. It uses different color work designs "patchworked" together to form a shawl.
Earlier this month a smaller designer named Susan Chin released her Quilt Star Scarf pattern. It has a similar shape and patchwork construction to Spurling's design.
This has lead people to accuse Chin of plagiarism, which Spurling addressed in an instagram post see above and below
(I can't link to the post because Spurling later deleted it)
The scarves obviously have some similarities, but they also have some differences. Here's a list of what's the same and what's different that someone else wrote, speaking of plagiarism :
Both objects use Intarsia and Fair Isle/Stranded colorwork.
Both patterns have multiple blocks in different motifs, joined together as the finished object is worked.
Both patterns have colorwork charts. (Scout > Shawl is in full color; Quilt Star is in greyscale)
The border is not indicated on either pattern's chart.
Suggested Gauge for the two patterns; Scout Shawl suggests 28sts x 30rows for 10cm, using 3.5mm needles. Quilt Star suggests 28sts x 27 rows for 10cm using 2.5mm or 3mm needles.
Finished size for Scout Shawl is 181cm, 37cm deep
Finished size for Quilt Star is 150cm, 35cm deep
Scout Shawl relies on 5 colors and makes suggestions as to the color contrast if you don't use the same palette as the pattern. Color 1 is the garter stitch border.
Quilt Star relies on 8 colors. No contrast is suggested, only the colors recommended in the original pattern. Color 8 is the 1x1 rib border.
At least one motif in Scout uses 3 colors.
Each motif in Quilt uses no more than 2 colors.
Cast on is 8 stitches for Scout.
Cast on is 4 stitches for Quilt.
All sections on Scout meet at 90 degree angles.
Some sections on Quilt meet at diagonals, at ~45deg ish.
Scout has 10 distinct blocks and patterns.
Quilt has 7 (?) distinct patterns. There seems to be an error in the charts. I'm not sure my count is correct based on the charts alone. But it is certainly fewer.
Increases on Scout are M1L, Decreases are k2tog
Increases on Quilt are kfb, decreases are k2tog.
Scout's finishing has no special bind off for the remaining 8 stitches.
Quilt uses a seamed bind off for the 6 remaining stitches.
Motifs for Scout appear to be floral.
Motifs for Quilt appear to be star-them
VERDICT: they're different patterns.
This didn't stop people from stirring shit, because obviously you need to have an MFA to be inspired by patchwork, and only one person is allowed to be inspired by a thing.
People (Spurling suck ups) went on social media to b-word, including leaving comments on the Ravelry page for Chin's scarf. (Ravelry is like letterboxd for knitting and crochet, and also a platform that many designers use to sell their patterns)
Source, but you need a Ravelry account to view
This lead to Chin taking the pattern down for sale. Satisfied with the results, Spurling deleted her post . And so ends another chapter in the ongoing saga of insecure designers accusing others of plagiarism.
A few I remember from the last year:
A designer put out merch with "Knit Club" on a baseball caps. Well some other pattern designer has a community by that unique name and also has baseball caps merch (but none that actually say "Knit Club"
"Only I'm allowed to be copy 1950s dresses!"
"omg why are you so obsessed with me, stop copying me" macrame. Except her product looks like something posted earlier by someone else on TikTok. (If they look similar it's because there's only so much shit you can make with macrame and there's probably patterns for something like this in a book from the 70s)
One French company accused another French company of copying their, um… tailor clappers, test squares and pointer cowtools (these are pretty common cowtools that have existed for a long time, this like Milwaukee accusing Makita of stealing their idea of the hammer)
I forgot to add that while I agree with most of the commenters on the craft snark thread, look at this b-word trying to turn it into a race thing
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knitters fighting about originality is like blues musicians fighting about three chords
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nuh uh I invented
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yeah but I invented the bendy thing
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Bendy thing?
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I don't get it
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He's talking about the fricking snake because it's Chinese New Year
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Oh, now I kinda get it
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Sorry we don't do ching chong calendars in the civilized world.
Let me know when you're past cave painting chicken and snakes so we can have a civilized conversation.
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me too
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have they run out of melodies yet, b-word?
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It's good to see she's moved on from financial fraud
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I wish I didn't know what this ment
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weasel pinning is a time honored and respectable passion and deserves to be preserved and cherished as the indigenous cultural practice it is!
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Uncanny really
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I have no idea how, but it became one of my favorite copypastas
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For me its the "talmudic chanting" that just gives it that little extra
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I don't get it
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This. Normies can't understand the thrill of pinning the weasel. Night spent chasing an over amphetamined Caroline around the bean bag forts. Her squealing and gibbering, pouring sweat and on the verge of seizing. Your friends build up an intoxicating, delirious state with Talmudic chantings at the sidelines, hitting the Caroline-toy with brooms if she tries to escape. Sam would be giggling and laughing as the waves of methamphetamine pleasure seem to harmonize with the droning hebrew verses. He runs through the bean bag maze fat and portly, with his viagra powered peepee a divining rod for the weasel. Sweat gushing down his face around his unfocused eyes he laughs and chortles until he gasps "Found you!". The Mathsweasel screeches defensively but Wankman Bankman is upon her in seconds. His peepee thrusting blindly into her flank, leg, stomach and ribs unconcerned about anything but the motion. Eventually serendipity finds her mouth and the Cocktube Rodent is placated, suckling contently on Bankman's dehydrated peepee.
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Sbf gf
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I still don't get it
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onG SBF 86'd FTX fr fr
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What's up my knitter
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Advanced weasel tbqh
Absolute respect for anyone so determined, thats professional league pinning.
Also
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That's pretty clearly labelled as a ferret, not a weasel.
Smh my head
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what a knitter
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G-d I hate knittas
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You can say knitta, but the other one is our word
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Oh my god not one, but TWO crazy white women have this exact same ugly butt shit shawl at my job.
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Ask them if their grandma knitted that for them to really make them SEETHE lol !fellas
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Ask them if they have the original or the shameless copy.
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Pffffffffahahahahahahahahahahaha
Neighbor all wool clothing looks the same. The b-word she stole that design from stole it from a loooong line of other b-words first.
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Im only honestly surprised people like it.
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I feel like everybody knows at least one obsessive knitter/quilter/felter/crafty foid, and I've trolled felters before using AI on clumps of cat hair to good effect
Reminds me, I really need to branch out to trolling moid craft hobbies like welding or 3D printing because they're really gullible for getting baited too as long as it doesn't require electronics/diagrams
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I wish there was more quilting and needlepoint drama. Something about knitters and crocheters, they take up all the oxygen in the room
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Speak of the devil
https://watchpeopledie.tv/h/art/post/274905/who-wants-a-marsey-ice-cream
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so true
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now that's what I call
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Id call it "foid nonsense" tbqh.
This is standard bonushole behavior in the wild.
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@JoyceCarolOates I just realized the (better) joke would've been to say that DeWalt invented the hammer
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Women love tearing each other apart
I love watching
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Reading this before bed
I'll let you know
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What did you find out?
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You studied fashion and knitwear for six years?
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those foids are crazy!
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Bud you could have said it in one word
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Those.
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Pattern stealers are some of the worst sort of people. I should know, because my mom is one.
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Ok I read before bed as I said I would
Yeah Chin definitely stole that shit. The fact that she's deleting her own defense of it is telling too. I do think she used nicer colors and that the piece itself is inherently boring so I'm not sure why she even stole it in the first place but I don't know anything about this subject matter so maybe it's high tier from a technical perspective or something.
Hat isn't stolen. It's as basic as hats can get and they're stupid hats.
French guys I don't think stole anything either but I'm not familiar with these items so maybe they did. I can't imagine there's terribly much variation possible in the first place though so maybe they didn't.
Guilty
Not guilty
Mistrial
Excellent thread
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Are you fricking nuts?!
Those shawls look nothing alike, the patterns, the colors, even the arrangement of the divisions, they're completely different. It's just another example of some prima-dona white instagram designer using her larger fanbase to bully a less influential artist. And of course the Asian woman has to take it on the Chin.
I agree that the french are innocent though I haven't read that part of the post.
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!carlos
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I hope it was ripped off, because two people independently coming up with this garbage design would be too much.
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I liked both
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You'll be one of the first ones to go when the cultural revolution comes.
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You have shit taste.
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They're not bad
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They're horrendous.
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No
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You had me at Milwaukee
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Why would she do that?
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that's a good question
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I wonder how disappointed the asian parents are in their daughter
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If we had more tariffs their products price couldn't compete with hers
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I'm just hoping for some more lawsuits
These sort of IP cat-fights bring me joy
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Are you actually Joyce Carol Oates?
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Of course!
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It's fashion. Copyright barely exists in this industry, so why are these r-slurs arguing about nothing?
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