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SFBA Rationalist Cult members teetering on the edge of recognizing their error.

https://old.reddit.com/r/slatestarcodex/comments/1hr1moa/monthly_discussion_thread/m8ndjvr/?context=8

								

								

This unfortunately still leaves me with a choice between "this was working with a hostile foreign power to influence an election and the Republicans on the committee agree with this but think it isn't so bad, WTF, that's disqualifying, and a shit ton of people on the internet are wilfully lying or r-slurred"

and, uhhh, thinking that these guys are more partisan and fear-mongering than they present as.

I think I'm really motivated by contrarianism & dislike of lots of the vibes around the democrats to want to believe Trump isn't that bad, but golly the facts seem to make that an uphill battle.

"I recognize my own woke derangement syndrome makes me want to question the facts."

I got a series of DMs from someone calling me nasty names for not having strong enough priors about RWers being r-slurred liars....

Me! That was me! I did that. It's here that you can see that the SFBA Rationalist concept of 'priors' aka 'preconceived notions' aka 'beliefs' is an agency-robbing mythos. This person can't take responsibility for their 'priors' because their 'priors' exist (in their dimwit head) as a fiction of perfect math. Reasoning through math can't be wrong, and you can't be responsible for the fact that you got something wrong if you were using math which was correctly calculated to arrive at that wrong information. Fricking morons. SFBA Rationalist Cultists are in for a rude awakening about the degree to which their mindless faith in Bayesian math derailed their ability to recognize their error.

I think I got some motivated epistemic learned helplessness going on here/ using the "nothing ever happens" heuristic that almost always works.

To be fair, these types are capable of some introspection.

Same as AI X-risk really: The arguments that this is really really bad are convincing, and taking them seriously (generally a virtue) implies I should be bombing data centres & assassinating ML researchers.

Or you could convince Scott Alexander to retract "You Are Still Calling Wolf."

But that seems a bit extreme, so I'm just gonna sit here & try not to think about it too much

lmao these people are so weak.

My US-politics information feed, now that I think about it in response to your question, is largely partisans from either side sharing terrible things the other side did, and rather too much of that is focussed on culture war stuff like trans issues.

They thought that they were spectating the culture war in their culture war threads (@TracingWoodgrains this is important) and that this gave them logical detachment from their politics, unlike those emotional leftists, and so even as they reified their politics they were in denial of the fact of that reification. Mass myopia. Fricking hilarious.

All politics is libidinal. The people trying to be unemotional about it are in a complicated form of denial about their own emotions. Which is, arguably, autism.

So I'm not sure if I'm sensibly fighting the tendency for my finger to keep wobbling back to the fire/ ignoring news that makes me feel bad & doesn't help me/ sanitising my inputs or if I'm cravenly ignoring a pressing threat because it doesn't affect me personally & thus normalising evil.

Scott Alexander normalized the evil.

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Why don't you go and post your screeds to these dudes instead of coming to a drama forum and talking about how much you totally dunked on these guys

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He's banned, but more importantly he doesn't want to engage with them so he deliberately breaks the rules so he gets banned, then three years later or whenever his ban expires he goes back and gets banned again.

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The rules prohibit me from calling them stupid for not noticing the fascism lmao

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They're probably just pretending not to see it like we do with stinky hobos in the park where our kids play

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Some of them have a fascist agenda, it's true.

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So in this analogy parents in the park have a hobo agenda, and turning a blind eye to hobos is tacit support for their proliferation?

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yep. that's why even ironic nazis get the ban.

you? you just think I'm an easily triggered leftist and you're here because you want your n-slur, it's some kind of comfort blanket for you. believe it or not, I can, if not respect it, at least ignore it.

maybe you're racist, maybe you're not. one of the reasons I like this place is there's true radical leftism here; I was talking about creating a space free of racism and someone pointed out: you don't get to have a space free of racism. no one does.

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It's important you not know whether I'm racist because the knowledge can be used against me in either case. Even I don't know

:#taysmart:

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But not knowing your own mind is simply cowardice.

You hide in nihilism. You hide in ironic racism.

This is what makes you weak. This is why I'm here: to break into your mind and force you to believe your beliefs again.

Even if they're bad. If they're bad, they can be reasoned with, shaped into more productive forms.

But nihilism, empty shitflinging, is spiritual poison.

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Pretty sure they banned him

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Cowards.

The Debate-me Bros have met their match in @Impassionata

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'debating' imp is like 'debating' a brick wall. Normal people at least can entertain the possibility that they're wrong and wrestle with cognitive dissonance when presented with new information or a convincing argument. But absolutely 0 novel cognition happens in Imp's brain when you argue against him. No contradictory idea can enter his brain lest he become a Nazi like the people he loathes. He will keep repeating the same talking points ad nauseum because he is psychologically incapable of producing new thoughts.

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:marseyagreefast: Like I said, the Motteballs have met their match.

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The truth (cc @Unbroken) is that I can actually argue, it's just that arguing with neurodivergent people online made me realize that argument is pointless so I just cut short the chatter and get straight to making my points and smugposting.

I argue, I concede nothing except the occasional error (but I do attempt to concede those), and I throw shit at the stupid because otherwise the community can't self-regulate and that's how you end up with the jumble of stupid autism that is themotte.

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https://i.rdrama.net/images/1738367797z_0i03NB6sRM_g.webp

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!sophistry this comic isn't even sophistry, it's the platonic ideal of superior rhetorical form.

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So your problem is that you can only make your point when you're not distracted by someone who disagrees?

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I either ignore stupid disagreement or call it stupid and move on.

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Even "yes" is an essay when you say it

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I'm just pretending to be r-slurred

you sure got me.

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He will always have a home here

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