New Liberal podcast asks why did young men break for Trump ? Neolibs ask WHAT ABOUT REEEEEEMALES?!?

!neolibs, the interview is actually pretty good. Nothing really profound, but it's good nonetheless.

I remember back before the election, Michelle Obama did a speech, "Aimed at young men." And I thought, 'finally'.

It was dismissive and condescending and accusing and presumptuous and blatantly manipulative.

But most of all she sounded indignant. Like she was angry to have to address the subject at all.

And I thought, "Oh... Oh no... Is this it? Is this our best? Because that's not gonna work." And no one wanted to hear that at the time.

Don't worry I reported this chud for sexism

Men see their female peers get favorable treatment for their ~13 years of public education and then get told that they are actually privileged because a CEO they never heard of makes 40 million dollars a year or some actor makes more money than an actress and wonder why that has anything to do with them. Also liberalism is the dominant ideology of their (overwhelmingly female) teachers and kids like to rebel.

I have been saying this all along.

The progressives being the allies of liberals drove the youth away from liberals.

Progressives are a problem. They likely are THE problem. Progressives are chronically unfunny and unfun. They are extremely hateable. Being smart and academic doesn't help them be less miserable to be around.

Progressives are a problem. They likely are THE problem. Progressives are chronically unfunny and unfun. They are extremely hateable. Being smart and academic doesn't help them be less miserable to be around.

I think it would help to tease out what exactly makes them "unfun" and "hateable" because it seems to me that a lot of the reason people don't like them is just that they want to say or even do offensive shit without social consequences.

Maybe it says something that they think the guy who called PR a "floating pile of garbage" is funny and that they think progressives aren't. Is that the humor they're so mad about wanting to enjoy without people thinking they're buttholes?

I think he just did.

I've downplayed the idea that Dems ignore young men but I may have been very wrong. I don't understand anything anymore since the election. Giving this a listen.

Well, one made progress.

Many problems facing men and boys- the suicide epidemic that is mostly male

This kind of framing bothers me because women attempt suicide 3x more than men, but men succeed at suicide 3x more than women....I don't understand the framing of it as a men's issue when suicidality clearly runs just as deep, or deeper, among women.

Because to many if you don't die it doesn't count, downing a handful of asprin will add the the attempt counter but won't kill you so because of that people see women's suicides as attention seeking and not like "real" since if you really wanted to keep yourself safe why aren't you dead?

Yes. Now either admit women are incompetent or attention seekers, or go all the way around and say their suicide methods have been disenfranchised by the patriarchy.

>Also, part of this is because a lot of young men like offensive humor (Jeselnik-style shit) and online leftists were trying to cancel these types of comedians. Back in the day, it used to be Christian conservatives who would be offended over these kinds of jokes (which means the Dems were cool and subversive coded).

It's so funny and cathartic that some lefties are beginning to realize they were the Christian Right of yesteryear. I've been saying this for years and won't stop until these lefties get it. I came across so many posts on reddit where it felt like I was reading all those tired points again. Being gay back then was bad because you're going to heck and you'll get socially ostracized. Now being gay is bad because you won't accept the gock and you'll be socially ostracized.

I feel like it's downstream of their whole "only educated people are people" shtick. that was one thing when it was just elitist, since men do believe in hierarchy, but over time it morphed into being more about compliance and turning everything into a classroom environment. even degree-holding men are alienated by the complete lack of criticism towards these institutions and their role in ordering society. if dems want to win young men they'll have to stop being the party of school-likers.

Does this require a three month postmortem. The democrat platform is all foid nonsense at this point To average people it doesn't even seem like the dems care about kitchen table issues anymore. The commenters try to say it's the "vibe" pushing men away not substance but rhetoric is part of policy. What part of the platform should attract me? The part where I'm an inherently racist monster or the part where my paycheck goes to helping everyone but me?

Also, part of this is because a lot of young men like offensive humor (Jeselnik-style shit) and online leftists were trying to cancel these types of comedians. Back in the day, it used to be Christian conservatives who would be offended over these kinds of jokes (which means the Dems were cool and subversive coded).

All you had to do was let us say r-slur

lmao I refreshed the page and they purged a whole subthread that started with this reasonable comment:

When you're with the boys you don't have to curtail your humor and stuff. Once women show up, you suddenly have to watch your mouth. This causes stress. Constantly self policing causes stress. People want to be messy. This is an entirely reasonable position, even if it's regressive in nature.

"HOW DARE YOU SPEAK NEGATIVELY OF WOMEN" lmao holy shit

I'm sure they will figure it out this time.

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