Today is the anniversary of the bombing of Dresden
— Jake Shields (@jakeshieldsajj) February 13, 2025
America and England firebombed the entire city deliberately killing up to 250,000 civilians
The vast majority were women and children since all the men were off fighting a war
Germany never deliberately bombed civilians
A day that will live in infamy.
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It's funny how we learned in ww2 that bombing civilians dosen't work and if anything drives people towards partisanship yet we continued to do it anyways in Korea, Vietnam, Middle east just cause.
!historychads
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Darn
@Grue you really managed to find someone just as r-slurred as you 
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I hope they gave you a shoutout when they announced Hamas 2
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How did it not work?
Not only did the bombings gradually erode German and Japanese industry — both countries never completely lost their heavy industry but it's not like their war industry benefited from so many factories burned to the ground — but they destroyed the air power of the Axis. This is a major aspect of the bombing campaign that people always forget
Part of why Germany won in France is because of their close air support. The Luftwaffe generally had air superiority over the allies. Individual German soldiers could pull out a radio and call down air strikes on enemy positions while the French and British rarely if ever had the same advantage
So when it came time to counterattack into Fortress Europa, one of the main purposes of the bombing campaigns was to tie down the Luftwaffe. Even before D-Day was a possibility, the bombings were the quickest and easiest way to open up the second front Stalin wanted so bad. To force a growing fraction of Germany's fighter power away from the eastern front
As the war went on, Germany all but ceased production of non-fighter planes. They were so desperate to stop the bombings that they only wanted to make high altitude interceptors; no more dive bombers, tank busters, mine layers, even transports. Just V2s and FW190s Kraut-rigged into ground strikers at best. That was when both the Soviets and the western allies basically won on the fronts. Every allied offensive would enjoy close air support, and every Wehrmacht operation would go without it
The Pacific War played out differently due to the geographic distances involved. There was no allied Great Britain sitting right next to Japan that allowed constant bombings. But once B-29s came online and the allies captured appropriate airbase locations, the strategic bombings began to play out the same way. By the end of the war Japan's air power was largely depleted, and mostly shot down over China and the waters of the Pacific, but what little development potential they had left was still spent on high altitude interceptors to counter B-29s. Had a ground invasion come to pass, they would have also forfeited the chance for close air support. And in the context of hitting factories, bombing Japan was easier because so many of their buildings were made out of paper. Fires would start and spread to industrial districts even if the bombers missed, nor could they succeed at hiding factories inside of other buildings for the same reason
You bring up Korea and Vietnam, and I say those air campaigns were even more advanced than what was seen in WWII. The air war is one thing that always went right for America even when other things went tits up.
For Korea, air power is the reason South Korea still exists. Bombing North Korea's overextended supply lines is what stopped them and prevented any chance of a counterattack. Even when China entered the war, air strikes on their own supply lines crippled any kind of operational complexity. The Chinese walked away with almost 200,000 dead compared to less than 40,000 for the UN. During a military committee Chinese General Peng Dehaui had this to say,
Which would have been like if MacArthur or Ridgeway had given a similar speech to Congress with the Secretary of Defense or Vice President in attendance, except America never had these problems
Unironically China's rough road in Korea is part of why they never went for Taiwan even at the height of Maoist fervor. They were forced to realize they had no way of protecting extended supply lines in the face of American air power.
I'll stand by my statement that the bombing campaigns of Vietnam were one of the few things that went right with that war. North Vietnam had a modern, Soviet supplied Air Force, but like the Axis before them they were stuck fighting over Hanoi as interceptors. The idea of a mass strategic bombing by the commies against Saigon was unthinkable. The US also achieved direct results through Operation Linebacker, which convinced Hanoi to return to the table for the Paris accords, and Linebacker II, which contributed to the final peace agreement. When the US had left Vietnam completely, then the North Vietnamese resumed an offensive that air power could no longer threaten
Of course you didn't even bring up Iraq or Serbia because even a commie can't deny the power of those air wars
!historychads Learn about bombing campaigns
!anticommunists Lapp is being r-slurred again
!antifascists And he's simping for Dresden
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That's a lot or words I didn't read but I'm happy for you I guess.
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Grr! Why you
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I know exactly what your post is without even reading it.
I'm gonna guess you call me a nazi to start off because this post was about Dresden then you try to use examples of America bombing Germany's factories as good ways of bombing civilians then you probably say something about us bombing Japan as well and the two nuclear bombs.
You then call me a communist for having sympathy for bombed peopke in Korea and Vietnam and probably use the fact that bombing factories is successful to justify bombing civilians again. You probably talk about the fact that the American air force is the most modern, most well equipped. You skip past gulf war, war on terror, other conflicts in the middle east and Jump right to Israel v Hamas. Probably end with calling me a communist, nazi, and talk about yugoslavia or some other war I've forgotten about because it was in some shitty country then ping like 6 pinggroups because you can't stand your neurodivergent post not getting attention.
How right am I?
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Not very
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Yeah so I was spot on wasn't I?
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Lappland I'm going to have to ask you to upmarsey my replies if this relationship is to continue
You claimed the bombings didn't work, and the main point of my post is to show they had a decisive, tangible impact on the mentioned conflicts. I don't know what you're even on about with Hamas and all that
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I'm not gonna upmarsey you because you're unintelligible and unintelligent.
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Nah you were pretty much completely off.
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I think bombing civilians does work but should still be avoided barring exotic extenuating circumstances (i.e. Hiroshima and Nagasaki)
Lots of horrible inhuman things that shouldn't be done work
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It works if you win
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Bombing civilians was pretty gosh darn effective in ending WWI
It's not that it doesn't work, it's that it was shocking to the conscience and incompatible with a national self-conception as an honorable and civilized society.
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usa is blue in video games while germany is red/black so its justified
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It's an incredibly r-slurred
take. the reason why "we learned" that it "doesnt work" isnt because it's not effective militarily. It's because the world
powers saw the sheer scale
of death
that an all-out war between
the big powers, if conducted the normal
way.
To compare
pre ww2 civilian deaths to something
like vietnam
is r-slurred
even comparing Korea
and Vietnam
this way is r-slurred
"it just leads to partisanship!" is a post-ww2 small
scale
minor
conflict
logic
before that you'd just annihilate
the country
and make them your b-word. The Geneva conventions didnt
even mention civilians until the FOURTH one!
"we learned it doesnt work" no you fricking
moron
we learned to care
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Didn't read but good job writing that post buddy.
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thank you!
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It works if you kill them all
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