them? Well they brought in Aella_Girl, a high iq hooker, who makes the host look like a tard
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I’m sure everyone who stats-trolled Aella over the years will be happy to see that she now seems to have a much better grasp of how science and the growth of knowledge work than the average redpill guy.
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Neighbor you do not need a control arm to find correlation.
You can "control" for different factors, but you don't need a dedicated control arm like you think.
I have a buddy who is very similar to this guy but not an oldcel (NCT, mildly Latinx looking, not very high iq (1400 sat but talks about midwits), believes in the redpill, and sends me Save Europe Reels.
Would probably get mogged by this Hooker too
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It's kinda crazy how she's just saying insanely basic high school stats and everyone on the podcast and comments is amazed that she is describing a basic linear regression. And there is still implicitly a "control" in this (using what I assume this guy's definition of a control is). You are saying is this data more likely to follow this distribution then one which is basically random noise. Kinda sad this means having a "much greater grasp of science".
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Neighbor nobody doing actual experiments is diluting the definition of control to this extent. Nobody goes the control is the randomness of the universe. You actively select a control. By this logic every single action taken has a control. Me taking a piss in the woods is a control because it gives more of a direction to pissing than if it was done at random.
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yeah my point is more you need a model to correlation. "Correlation is saying we ca use x to predict y" is the outcome. What the analysis is actually doing is fitting the data to a model and seeing how well the model can explain the data.
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Yes but none of that is a control. Good talk by the way. Sorry if I came off as aggressive.
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Are you talking about the dependent and and independent variables? That's a much better terminology to use if you're doing an observational study fitting data to a curve rather than a controlled experiment.
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My point was more you are seeing how well your data fits the assumed model and then seeing the probability that any random data could have just randomly fit this model which should be under 0.05 or 5%. Null hypothesis would be the right term here since your null is that the data is randomly distributed with 0 correlation.
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Aella's problem is she sort of lacks a conceptual framework to map whatever calculations she's having the computer do to some quantity we care about in the real world. Like sure height and weight are correlated, why are you doing this and how would you like us to interpret this?
I'm not going to watch the whole 7 hour thing but what was the context of this? Like she does these surveys and I never understand what she's trying to learn about or test or "do science" about.
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You could
s/Aella/gfor basically anyone else in the self-proclaimed "rationalist" community. They're all like 5th graders in the gifted program trying to reinvent the universe from first principles without reading a book. Did you ever see Christopher Langan and his Cognitive-Theoretical Model? Or Curtis Yarvin and his "AI research"/Urbit? Being bright without any grounding in the work of others is a classic recipe for crackpottery.In her defense, I don't think the height/weight thing was a rehearsed point, I think the guy was being a prick, and she was grasping for a ready example of two obviously correlated things where you could easily observe the correlation without doing a controlled experiment. She was (I think) trying to drive home the point that we can gain scientific knowledge from applying statistics for observational studies, even in the absence of a controlled experiment.
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That's fair. Next time she should use my favorite example, college education and earnings, because it's simple, people will have decent intuitions about it, you can actually relate that to which situations you would want a predictive versus causal relationship, what a hypothetical RCT would look like to get a causal relationship, what observational correlations do and do not tell us, and how you might approximate an RCT with the right observational data.
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There's "control" like the group in an RCT that doesn't get treated, and there's "control" like you would have in a linear regression with observational data that is conceptually supposed to make the independent variable you care about's assignment "more random" in some sense. You do this because when you do science you don't really care about PREDICTION (what a correlation is), you care about understanding some structural, usually CAUSAL, parameter about the real world and the way you usually have to learn about causation in a lot of these contexts is through random (or quasi-random) assignement of treatment. The dude sort of intuits this tbh and Aella seems to not understand any of this at all, although it's true that she successfully uses more statistics terms correctly than the guy does.
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What you are talking about is referring to a method of randomizing the variable selection as control. Idk if actual researchers refer to that as control but that is still nowhere close to what the guy was talking about. He was calling any variable on a correlation graph by default an automatic control. He didn't intuit anything on the level you think he did lmao.
!biofoids look at this guy reading into an r-slured moid being r-slurred in an attempt to dunk on a foid, caught on vid and misunderstanding it as "intuitively" a genius.
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If you run an RCT often you call the group that gets treated the "treatment" group and the group they doesn't get treated the "control" group. Maybe it's a field-specific thing but I've never heard anyone call that something else. Again though I feel like the moid sort of has the right intuitions for what causal inference is, and Aella is caught up in the mechanics of how you fit a regression line. Both r-slurred imo but for different reasons.
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You first statement is correct.
Causal inference isn't control though.
No, Aella is trying to give an example of a science research tool that is not a control because the moid is saying everything in science is based on a control. I would however agree, that she should have come up with a better example, but to be fair to her, she was being put on the spot and isn't a professional teacher.
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Its amazing to them because none of those people passed middle school math never mind high school.
We're looking at products of public schools here.
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I watched this and also Aella is kind of wrong about a lot of stuff tbh.
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It's like she understands what these things do not what they are. Like yeah a correlation tells us if Y is dependent on X but it's not just "math" that tells us it. Its a science experiment where you see if your data fits an a priori model better then you would expect just random uncorrelated data to do so. The only closed equation is the actual linear regression since that's just a minimization of sum of squares error for each data point.
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That's a good way to put it
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i think instead of turtles the world rests on the back of giant r-slurs
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A midwit for sure, but in the land of the blind the one-eyed man is king.
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Nobody knows what linear regression is unless it's somehow relevant to their field, or they're reddit dweebs who spend all day arguing on the internet with a wikipedia tab open pretending to know stuff. Ask any regular person and they don't know and don't care that they don't know.
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I'm guessing it's mottecel
speak from some fanfic - they invented a new way to say "politely" and "rudely"
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It's like I stumbled into a parallel universe again
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Your mistake was low-decoupling when you should have been adaptation-maximizing.
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I think it comes from Keith Johnstone's _impro_ ? some book from the 80s that was poplar on lesswrong.
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I think by "playing low/high" they mean "pretending to be on downer/upper drugs"? Not sure
I've never heard her talk, but I think she's just neurodivergent. Elon has a similar accent.
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I think it's:
User #1: Is Aella talking down to him? Perhaps if she had asked him harder questions he wouldn't have gotten defensive at an attempt at looking like she's above him in the social ladder.
User #2: I think she started speaking at a high level then realized he'd stumble at easy stuff and focused on that.
User #1: I think she tried to go easy on him but that was still too hard for him.
User #2: I misunderstood, you didn't mean high-low level concepts, but social ranking. I think speaking about low-level concepts is for teaching and thus puts you at a higher standing.
I dunno, that's what makes the most sense to me. How they manage to understand each other I have no idea.
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If I had to guess, playing low means going: "Name 10 books"
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Apparently this is not the host. This is the guy that the host calls in to debate the big guns (onlyfans models with an iq in the 90s).
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That's Andrew Wilson, formerly known as Big Papa Fascist, who runs a Youtube channel called The Crucible.
Playboard suggests his channel gets nearly $10k in superchats a week, beating out Keemstar's Lolcow live
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Yeah, I'm guessing the fat guy to the left is the host. It can break a man to see his daddy humiliated like this.
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This is probably what it felt like for Italy back in the 40s when big daddy Germany got graped prison style by the soviets
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Nope.
Italians can't stand Germans. Part of it comes from their experiences having to work with the Germans in WW2.
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I guarantee that Germans feel the same way.
My dad worked with Italian and German engineers and he said that the German ones were 30x as competent and that's not even going into the stuff like Italians being late for everything and not following a meeting agenda (Germans would plan it down to 5 minute intervals and would send the plan a month in advance).
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Difference is that Italians don't go on vacation in Germany
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Germans also didn't ask Italians for money during the recession.
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Impersonal gibs will never generate as much seethe as beach-towel annexation of pool loungers
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Holy shit this guy is r-slurred
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It is 2025 and the whores know more science than the chuds mocking them for being dumb bimbos.
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Hes literally doing the I didnt have breakfast meme when aella proposes a hypothetical
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apparently abstract thinking for the average person is a very modern concept. Like less than 2 generations old modern far as I can tell.
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No it's not lol.
Ask any guy who is 90 whether they think LeBron would beat Jordan and they'd give you an answer.
Nobody would say "LeBron never played Jordan". Hypotheticals are easy. The breakfast question is just weird so it throws off blacks who are very NT.
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What is NT?
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Neurotypical or possibly Neighbor Thinking
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Thanks for the explanation.
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Neurotypical
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Thanks.
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How can that guy not realise he's making a fool of himself? I suspect he could watch this back and still not see what happened.
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Asking this shows he's aware of his doom and is trying defensive measures. Sadly for him he's thoroughly outmatched.
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Are the other chicks the fluffers?
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They are just a randomly selected group of onlyfans whores that get interviewed over this podcast (apparently it's 8 hours long?). I don't think they participated in the aella gangbang.
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The only real reason I know about this podcast is it introduced us to Gorlock the Destroyer.
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...what??
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Allegedly (a Twitter comment said that it was).
I don't really know what happens on these shows. It's basically brain rot for 90iq guys in their early-mid 20s
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Did you see that CHH piece about how all online gender wars are happily married upper-middle class women and lower class forever-alone men yelling past each other?
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Doesn't make sense at all.
Most Groypers or dissident rightists are downwardly mobile suburbcels seething at their inability to get a foid due to having a degree in literature or some shit or CS from a meme schoo, not blue collar types.
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I think that's just who the lower class is now. We need to update our stereotypes because there are almost no real "blue collar" factory types left anymore. Lower class is like shit tier retail and service industry jobs, or like HVAC/car stereo guys.
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No but their parents are usually white collar types, maybe sales type roles rather than tech/consulting/banking/law, but still white collar types with familial income 300k+.
Like raweggnationalist is basically the poster child for them. 38 year old literature postdoc, lives with mom and talks about being a Bronze Age conqueror and destroyer of jeets.
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See, I feel like this dude could be amazing but he's probably pathetic. The over-educated failsons and lostdaughters of the ruling class used to hang out in opium dens having orgies and producing avant-garde art. We used to be a proper country.
Bring
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bohemians. 
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I see, so he isn't actually r-slurred, just mentally exhausted from the long podcast
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She is smart and yes she is smarter than your average red piller and podcast host.
But she is only slightly above average. Not really anything interesting. Unless you find degeneracy interesting.
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She is such an alien, any human interaction she has seems to be like first contact with a species that isn't necessarily smarter than humans, but knows of their customs through text and extrapolating what a human would do
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Darn that's a good description
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Yes she's
Have you seen the video where she reverse-engineers how to be sexy to moids?
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No, link?
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Idk I'm not your b-word, it's on YouTube somewhere. Search "Aella seduction" or sth
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I'd rather you do this for me, I dont know which video exactly is it
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It's her pinned tweet
HI not your b-word I'm bimothy
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She iqmogs literally every president or VP since bill clinton. She's more than slightly above average, atleast 2 SDs. Would unironically mog 95% of america (not as hard as coastalcels think, half the country is basically illiterate and most college educated women have meme degrees in communications (not capable of anything else) and would be just as stumped as this dude).
Affirmative action, he had a pretty low SAT.
He had black tier SATs and LSATs and got into Yale with veterans preference+writing a sob story about his mom being a drug addicted whore.
Doesn't count.
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Have you followed her and seriously looked into what she talks about? It's psuedo intellectual brain rot.
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Normal Aella post:
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that is true though?
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Many high IQ people suffer from "pseudointellectual brainrot", I don't see your point.
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I am not calling her stupid but more or less something is off about her thinking.
Mel Gibson described it much better
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Name a smarter hooker than Aella.
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I can't she is pretty smart.
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Idk, kinda hard to say that when we dont know if she was even smart enough to shower before her appearance in the show.
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She's smart but there is something extremely vacuous about her musings
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Any of Mr. Ye's love interests
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She is a whore who IQ mogs chuds talking about how women belong in the kitchen or under their protection because women are so stupid. Of course this is interesting because of that alone.
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If she was under the control of her father or another man she wouldn't be a smelly whore
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idk man, if her father was some dude like the guy trying to mog her in that vid, then I think she is honestly better off as a whore. Like this is an important part of the discussion we all miss, that there is clearly a subset of men so incompetent that being a whore is better than being associated with them.
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Wrong
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Only a man so inept that women are better off being whores than associating with them would say this.
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I mean that's hypothetically possible. People, including fathers, can be pretty fricked up. Maybe she'd be better off as a whore than to be the daughter of a sadist. But the guy here just knew less about controls in scientific studies than she did. And
@Salvadore_Ally_Chud wasn't speaking hypothetically he was saying this guy specifically. So no she isn't better off as a whore than being controlled by a man who doesn't know a ton about science. Obviously.
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Look it is a simple premise. Dumber people shouldn't be controlling smarter people. If the whore is smarter than the moid than she is better off being a whore under her own direction than being controlled by the dumber moid.
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No. The exception does not negate the rule. Foids do not deserve free will. Letting special cases have free will will just make the rest of the foids jealous and make soyboys think all foids are deserving of free will.
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Rationalists on twitter are acting like she's super smart in this video, instead she betrays a huge misunderstanding in kind of the fundamental objective/exercise of using data to learn something about the world.
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