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WASHINGTON — National Nuclear Security Administration officials on Friday attempted to notify some employees who had been let go the day before that they are now due to be reinstated — but they struggled to find them because they didn't have their new contact information.
In an email sent to employees at NNSA and obtained by NBC News, officials wrote, "The termination letters for some NNSA probationary employees are being rescinded, but we do not have a good way to get in touch with those personnel."
The individuals the letter refers to had been fired on Thursday and lost access to their federal government email accounts. NNSA, which is within the Department of Energy and oversees the nation's nuclear stockpile, cannot reach these employees directly and is now asking recipients of the email, "Please work with your supervisors to send this information (once you get it) to people's personal contact emails."
Trump administration wants to un-fire nuclear safety workers but can't figure out how to reach them 
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/trump-administration-wants-un-fire-nuclear-safety-workers-cant-figure-rcna192345
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Trump and Elon did the firings so haphazardly that they deactivated the employees' Unclassified emails BEFORE they sent them their firing notice, so many didn't even receive them.
Even funnier, they DIDN'T deactivate their Q-classified network access or email accounts. They literally fired hundreds of nuclear scientists but let them have full access to nuclear weapon data for a couple days while they were finishing up the workweek.
!r-slurs !fedposters !glowies !the_donald !khive
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Love how much of a teeth-grinding annoyance it is for obtaining a Q clearance but drop the ball on this shit
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Makes you wonder how many glowie gooks and spooky slavs are going to try to get nuclear secrets from these dudes
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Wonder if that's the intent
But never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity I guess
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It was 100% stupidity. Trump and Elon didn't know that they fired 20% of the modern Manhattan Project. The firings spanned from nuclear weapons program managers, Los Alamos scientists, Livermore scientists, the sites where nuclear components are manufactured, the plant where the nukes are all assembled by hand, the special operators who quietly deliver the weapons directly to the nuclear submarines, all across the board.
One report said that it takes one full year to train a floor tech to get certified on the assembly of a single nuclear weapon, and there are multiple weapons. And it takes 1-2 years to complete a Q background check and personally interview their past employers and neighbors and friends. And they can't have history of any drug use. And they have to be willing to move to Amarillo Texas.
Good luck replacing them if they're already too pissed off to come back.
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Considering that their skills are in demand, other countries doubtless want their expertise and that they just got a big FU from the country, couldn't blame them if they said "frick you" right back or used their now-apparent bargaining position
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With their classified network access and printer connections intact, and their employer taking away their ability to feed their family as a political stunt, makes you wonder.
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it's so weird how when you elect wildly incompetent r-slurs that have room temp IQs bad things happen, who could have honestly seen it coming.
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Maybe if your guys didn't endorse White genocide, babykilling, sterilizing children, criminal BIPOCs, mass homelessness, and gun control we wouldn't have to vote for r-slurs
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You don't think they'll come back for such a kush job?
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You've got glowies living in your walls, you live in rural Texas, and the president is trying to frick you over. Kind of a shitty spot if you ask me. I'd say 95% retained in the short term, but actively looking elsewhere and will barely give 2 weeks notice. 50% retention after 2 years leading to having to retrain noobs.
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Uh huh. That's why they already left their job a year ago for such higher paying opportunities elsewhere. You little redditors are eating the journo bait and screaming that this is a big deal. When will you learn? It's been overblown.
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Pantex is a the final assembly plant for nukes and also serves for their maintenance. It's in Amarillo Texas. It's a skilled technician job, not PhD research. It's a high hazard production facility which requires a Q clearance. You have to get certified to assemble each weapon and it takes a long time.
It's not a steel factory you can turn on and off. It's a bespoke facility that does one thing that nobody else does. This isn't journo bait, this is the reality of logistics and operations and managing a qualified workforce.
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Hmm… Come back to your GS-13 or whatever job in this highest COL area in the US where we blame you for everything from trains to FEMA or go work in industry or with the Chingchongs, or Russoids for hundreds of thousands and the ability to kill people who offend you
Federal Jobs are only cush for people without credentials, anyone that's a STEM PhD can certainly make more just about anywhere else—the only benefit is a good work-life balance to spend time with your family and something of a retirement, but the Wizard of H1-Bs wants to do away with that and has correctly identified that the FLSA is why the Orientals will overtake us any day now, so what's the point?
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Yeah yeah yeah, that's why they already quit the job last year. R-slur.
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As someone against nuclear proliferation I think this is a good thing t
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The rigor of allowing people to directly handle nuclear weapons? Yeah I think there is wisdom there.
Firing them because you are on a crusade to fire as many people as possible regardless of what they actually do?
Less wise.
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This is why they should be managed by contractors instead of directly by the executive branch (if the operating agency is "U.S. Department of Energy" then RUN), gives a bit more of a buffer from political r-slurs assuming the contractor knows how to keep cash on hand.
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well separation of powers and the constitution along with the civil service reform act are supposed to prevent that but meh
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great so this place is just reddit now
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i think it is foolish to look for a larger plan in anything trump is doing, they fired all probationary employees solely because they were the only people they could easily fire
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Sure, if they want to go to prison for 20+ years.
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Tell me about Q clearance. I'm a dirty pleb and don't know.
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Basically you're getting vetted to be privy to DoE's sensitive nuclear data and related materials (falls under the term Restricted Data or RD) and involves extensive paperwork, crossing your t's and dotting your i's to make sure there's absolutely no mistakes/conflicting data submitted, hired investigators snooping into your personal life (neighbors), your finances, and professional life (previous employers), numerous drug tests, etc. that can take 6 months to a year or more to finally complete.
Imagine being subjected to all this nonsense just to be erroneously terminated from your position due to sheer r-sluration
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The military and glowies use a classification system of Secret and Top Secret. The clearance name and classification of material match. That is to say, if you need to view information that is classified as Secret then you need to possess a Secret-level clearance.
The department of energy has a classification of Secret and Top Secret as well. This gives them access to military Secret and Top Secret data. But the names of their clearances are L (Secret) and Q (Top Secret).
L allows them to handle nuclear weapons information at the Secret level, and Q allows them to handle nuclear weapons information at the Top Secret level.
This allows the nuclear weapon scientists to keep nuclear secrets out of the military, which was deemed a necessary method of separating knowledge.
The Dept of Energy designs and builds warheads. The Dept of Defense designs and builds the missiles and bombs and planes and submarines.
As an additional detail, military Secret and Top Secret clearances are regulated by Executive Order, while L and Q clearances are regulated by Congressional legislation.
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Yes. The Manhattan project split into the Army Special Weapons Program and the Atomic Energy Commission. The AEC later became the Department of Energy.
The separation remains today, with each department only building one half of each doomsday device.
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Okay but why? Afraid the army would become too powerful?
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Pretty much. Weapons had become so powerful that they carried massive political impact. You can't just have the military with the unilateral ability to use a city-killer. The President has to make that decision.
The logic sequence of the debate led them to the conclusion that the President needed to have 100% control over the weapons.
Even the department of energy is separated by who does what. One group makes the plutonium shape, one does the explosives, one does the fuzes, one does the security equipment. But none of them know the full details of how everyone else does their part.
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Also less risk of compromise when everyone is limited to the information they need to do their job
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Nukes are energy
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So is my fist hitting your face
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Just want to emphasize this part. Nearly all "classified information" authority stems entirely from the president. He can release CI or change people's clearance on a whim. Nuclear secrets are the exception to this.
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That's why it was super shitty when he got caught with SRD documents at his house.
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How was subredditdrama involved?
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Uh huh, go on
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tf when no pagers in the event of a communication crises
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They should have secure cellphones but I assume they took them
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Those exist but the only people I've ever heard of with cellphones with access to classified information are Generals.
Government cell phones use encryption and internal authentication controls. But they're just iPhones. And yeah they took them away immediately along with their IDs and work laptops.
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Yeah those phones are pretty rare because NSA or whoever have to very carefully manage the encryption pipeline and not let the phones go missing. High end stuff
Fortunately iMessage has really good encryption
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Some even have a SIPR token slot on the phone case.
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