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I think I can make an argument. FDR essentially created the welfare state, defeated the Nazi, and established the US as the global power. I think it's pretty impressive. Washington founded the country but he was also a slave owner which is much worse than anything FDR did. Lincoln ended slavery but there was a civil war and slavery would have ended by 1900 anyway. It was already on its way out. The idea that the US without the civil war woukd have kept slaver to 1910 is somewhat absurd in my view.Edit: Brazil is the last somewhat western country I know of to end slavery and it ended in like 1890 or something. (15)

Russia defeated the Nazis not FDR. America became a global superpower because of all the lend lease deals and that America was virtually untouched by the war.America was also double dealing by funding both sides. (-19)

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FDR single handedly drove this country into the greatest era ever, and out of the great depression. He redefined what it means to be American. Showing that in-fact, the world can be better and we must all take part in making it so. The founders gave us independence, George Washington showed us what a good president looks like, and Lincoln put morals over country, but it was FDR that made the image of the modern American. Without him, the American dream almost certainly would have died in the 40s and for that reason he is my favorite president. (38)

FDR help fund the Nazi war machine. FDR was a racist. FDR hated Jews. FDR brought Fascism to America.FDR broke the Washington tradition of only serving 2 terms.Amazing how people call Putin a dictator for doing what FDR did. (-18)

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Brought fascism?๐Ÿ˜‚ respectfully wtf are you even talking about? (16)

Um if you do some basic research outside out the drivel that's taught in the American school systemโ€ฆ you find that a lot of his policies are extremely similar to those of the very contemptuous people of his time. People simply tend to ignore the white washing of the history of those they admire. (-10)

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This is quite a difficult question to answer as all the US Presidents have been presented with different issues to respond to and the handling of those issues could be viewed differently by people with varying points of view.FDR had to respond to two major events in US history. The Great Recession and the attack on Pearl Harbor causing the isolated US to enter an already raging world war. Neither of these events was US-only events but as this post is discussing US Presidents, we can go with keeping this discussion to the US only.I am not sure any other US President had to deal with twin catastrophic events. And while FDR's predecessor (Hoover) has been maligned for his handling of the Great Recession at its start it was FDR who came up with the programs that helped the people in the US get through this catastrophic economic catastrophe. He did this with the help of both Democrats and Republicans. Given the extremes that the Republican Party has moved it is unlikely the Republican... (1)

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You're from the Confederacy? (2)

Were most post-WWII Brits actually Nazis since they voted out Churchill after the war? Most people at the time didn't care about ending slavery and were still very racist in the north. Then they lost a lot of men fighting in the civil war. After the war, reconstruction needed to happen which means spending money and putting effort into reviving the South. Obviously, that's not going over well with the northerners (and didn't with Andrew johnson) and of course the southerners still would hate Lincoln for ending slavery. (4)

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Yeah, and it (Lousiana purchase) DIdn't include a lot of what is New Mexico/Arizona and parts of Texas. ) Gadsen purchase, Railroad related. Greek and Roman lore? I use it, but I'm not into it. I'm a western US Gal, I see stuff happening, and I'm curious. That mud people quote? It's hard to find, let me see if I can find it for you. Ugh! Google not being helpful. I put the link to my source in my notes when I was researching, and I rifted off of it. It's a little disorganized, so it might take me a bit, as it might be in a text file (Links to where I got information) or the beginning document itself. (It's about 200GB's of stuff, and I wasn't really focused outside of the story, but I can find it.) I know I fact checked it at the time and backed myself up. I was okay with being wrong.)As to Johnson and Jackson? I'm kinda leaning in your direction -- I can't find anything good about them. I try to take things with an open mind, and put myself into the time. Johnson? I've yet... (1)

Yeah Texas and all that was Mexico still I believe and that's where I was born. But considering a lot of people define bad as the absence of good I gave Jackson and Johnson a nod. However in terms of who did the most to negatively affect the country Hoover is also on the list. I can't imagine watching your entire country struggle and then saying "ahhh it'll work itself out bro trust me". Quite possibly the dumbest president at the very least. No wonder FDR had to come in and create "communist policies". Cuz if he hadn't and they reelected Hoover we probably could have been property of another nation by now. I honestly can't talk too much on presidents because Monroe and then from van Buren up to Lincoln basically did frick all that I know of. Taylor and Harrison died fast as heck, Harrison was sick and barely lasted a month. I know a little from people Lincoln and past and from Madison and before. But nah the rest of those guys were basically just nothing figures as far as the histor... (2)

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Yes, there is an argument to any claim you can think of. I gess this is some teenager trying to get reddit to write his history essay for him?

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FDR is trivially the worst president of the last century. Putting Americans in to concentration camps is not a small issue.

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Like an oriental sultan being corrupted by his vizier, Roosevelt meant well but he was fooled into a cruel action by the lies of Californians.

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He also reshaped how the government worked by making the actually useful parts of the government fall under the executive office, sidelining congress. Also by commerce clausing his way into buckbreaking state's rights. He turned the presidency from a cheerleader into a king that pinkie promises not to be partisan about it and actually use his power, and what we see with Trump is just the most excessive use of this power. !burgers

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He also put farmers on welfare and they have never left.

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He turned the presidency from a cheerleader into a king that pinkie promises not to be partisan about it and actually use his power

Wilson actually started this.

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The issue is he didn't put enough in

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This but unironically

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Uh he let them out after

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Not gonna read through the whole thing but the fact that FDR stans avoid talking about how he put 100k innocent people in prison for years with no trial on explicitly racial grounds proves that Asians are white.

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>but the fact that FDR stans avoid talking about how he put 100k innocent people in prison for years with no trial on explicitly racial grounds

Stan here. The issue is?

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!downmarseyrs please do the needful

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FDR basically did or tried everything that people think will "end democracy" now.

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100%, FDR is probably closer to Trumps recent behaviour than anyone. He massively expanded the power of the federal gov unlike anyone before him and aggressively bulldozed over any opposition

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Pretty telling that that guy touted "created the welfare state" as a positive.

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buckbroke the western mind for a century :marseyangry:

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Wasn't even the best President with the last name Roosevelt

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fr, he was popular at the time butt he was shit in hindsite and the long term consequences of his actions as president were terrible.

!slots100

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I have a theory that Teddy winning the 1912 election would prevent WWII and the Cold War, possibly preventing the rise of communism.

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FDR was many times more aggressive with executive power than Trump has been (so far)

If he was right wing he'd have been called a fascist by the media today

He aggressively fought with congress to get everything he wanted with New Deal and tried every trick in the book to bypass their resistance

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FDR essentially created the welfare state

:#marseyfedpostyes:

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People put Washington at number 1 too much just because he was first. The real number 1 was Andrew Jackson.

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Nah he deserved it for the sacrifices he made to create America, literally setting up the executive branch, and then stepping down after two terms and refusing to becoming a king in all but name.

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literally might be americas biggest hinge point.

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Teddy would've kicked Jackson's butt :marseypunching:

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Would pay per view the heck out of that fight

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He funded the rice cooker that Truman ended up using

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All the shit he did prolonged the great depression rather than helped it. Hoover is remembered as awful but in reality the great depression was not his fault, and his plan was arguably better. If it wasn't for WW2 providing a huge boon, our economy may not have recovered the way it did

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The war delayed recovery since the people really had no demand for all those militaristic goods.

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That's the real :marseytruthnuke#: for FDR stans. The multitude of shit he did was transparently unconstitutional and extended the length of the Great Depression.

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!nixonchads would disagree

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:#marseysax: >>>

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Unfathomably based

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If FDR was still alive he'd still be in the Whitehouse.

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I like Teddy better.

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he dunked on these american born japs, no citizen rights for you, i hope trump uses that precedent :marseybegging:

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Crazy how Honest Abe Lincoln can be so goated

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Dramacels hate women so much they'd rather be friends with men pretending to be women than women themselves

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Russia defeated the Nazis not FDR. America became a global superpower because of all the lend lease deals and that America was virtually untouched by the war.America was also double dealing by funding both sides.:

FDR help fund the Nazi war machine. FDR was a racist. FDR hated Jews. FDR brought Fascism to America.FDR broke the Washington tradition of only serving 2 terms.Amazing how people call Putin a dictator for doing what FDR did.:

Um if you do some basic research outside out the drivel that's taught in the American school systemโ€ฆ you find that a lot of his policies are extremely similar to those of the very contemptuous people of his time. People simply tend to ignore the white washing of the history of those they admire.:

This is quite a difficult question to answer as all the US Presidents have been presented with different issues to respond to and the handling of those issues could be viewed differently by people with varying points of view.FDR had to respond to two major events in US history. The Great Recession and the attack on Pearl Harbor causing the isolated US to enter an already raging world war. Neither of these events was US-only events but as this post is discussing US Presidents, we can go with keeping this discussion to the US only.I am not sure any other US President had to deal with twin catastrophic events. And while FDR's predecessor (Hoover) has been maligned for his handling of the Great Recession at its start it was FDR who came up with the programs that helped the people in the US get through this catastrophic economic catastrophe. He did this with the help of both Democrats and Republicans. Given the extremes that the Republican Party has moved it is unlikely the Republican...:

Were most post-WWII Brits actually Nazis since they voted out Churchill after the war? Most people at the time didn't care about ending slavery and were still very racist in the north. Then they lost a lot of men fighting in the civil war. After the war, reconstruction needed to happen which means spending money and putting effort into reviving the South. Obviously, that's not going over well with the northerners (and didn't with Andrew johnson) and of course the southerners still would hate Lincoln for ending slavery.:

Yeah Texas and all that was Mexico still I believe and that's where I was born. But considering a lot of people define bad as the absence of good I gave Jackson and Johnson a nod. However in terms of who did the most to negatively affect the country Hoover is also on the list. I can't imagine watching your entire country struggle and then saying "ahhh it'll work itself out bro trust me". Quite possibly the dumbest president at the very least. No wonder FDR had to come in and create "communist policies". Cuz if he hadn't and they reelected Hoover we probably could have been property of another nation by now. I honestly can't talk too much on presidents because Monroe and then from van Buren up to Lincoln basically did frick all that I know of. Taylor and Harrison died fast as heck, Harrison was sick and barely lasted a month. I know a little from people Lincoln and past and from Madison and before. But nah the rest of those guys were basically just nothing figures as far as the histor...:

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