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Why are europoors so butthurt : a guide

That face when you are weaker than India but still better than America and remind them all the time, but then the fascists turn off the free money tap.

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The implication is a big deal. It's basically banking that the bear wants the directly poke the eagle little as the eagle directly wants to poke the bear. Is it perfect? No. But again, what's the alternative?

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Actual security guarantees? Formal ones are more binding, and thus scarier to frick around with. The only reason you'd want to extend "implications" instead is if you weren't planning on doing shit in the first place. Implications ain't worth shit, especially with how notoriously unreliable Trump is.

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Well no, the other reason is to avoid triggering Russia which gets super spastic about border countries outwardly joining Western alliances.

And yes, it's true it's also to give the US an out in case Russia gets stupid again and the US decides it isn't worth a war with Russia over. But the US isn't going to do anything that doesn't give it that out because it does not want direct war with Russia. It cares about avoiding war with Russia more than it cares about a victorious or secure Ukraine. That being the reality takes us back to implicit guarantees being the best thing you can expect, even if it's not the best for Ukraine.

FWIW I do think you underestimate the strength of implicit 'sphere of influence' protection, even as I sympathize with the Ukrainian desire for more.

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>it does not want direct war with Russia. It cares about avoiding war with Russia more than it cares about a victorious or secure Ukraine.

Yeah. I know it, you know it, Russia knows it, Ukraine knows it. You can still back out on your commitments if you make them official (as Trump has demonstrated repeatedly) but by being entirely unwilling to even make them in the first place is to admit to being a little b-word.

Which means Ukraine would give away stuff for absolutely nothing.

It's a poison pill to give conservatives a talking point when they have to make excuses for why getting cucked by Russia is a good thing actually.

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I guess the crux is that you see the implicit guarantee as worthless and I don't. Hard to argue around that :marseyshrug:

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