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My god where in the frick do you people get this shit at? The entire government is rigged in favor of rurals, bills favoring rurals are more likely to pass state governments than ones favoring cities.

Rurals live on welfare money given to them by cities.

And even with all of this they are still failing because they elect low iq social conservatives offering them nothing more than racial politics and resentment.

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Get what stuff? I think its balanced now I'm talking hypothetically like 100 years down the road, urbanization is a very real thing.

Im genuinely just trying to pick your brain as to what your solution to that hypothetical would be as youve probably been exposed to a lot more information or theories about it than I have. This wasn't meant to be any sort of attack or gotcha or even expressing any point of view on my part, sorry if it came off that way

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I have no idea how to deal with it but the solutions range from cutting rurals off to bribing them with economic concessions.

I'm of the opinion economics matters way less today than ever before and America is in a state of sacred values clash.

Rurals will probably lose but the damage they cause will be crazy.

It's not so much urban america being incapable of writing policy to help rurals but rurals growing increasingly detached from reality.

Clinton offered the rurals a lot of shit and somehow got framed as anti rural.

Rurals decided to go for a guy that hurt them economically and made a bunch of unhinged empty promises.

Pretty much every small farmer lost under Trump and they still loved him.

Sadly the emotional appeal is much stronger to rurals than real solutions.

There's no way to fix the problem because rurals seem more interested in cultural resentment and delusions of a never returning past.

Rurals used to culturally dominate America and no longer do, they're mad about it and no amount of urban pandering to rurals will fix it.

This is what I think leftists and to a lesser extent liberals fail to comprehend.

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Pizzashill is just grumpy don't take it personally.

But I'll write a longpost since he didn't respond.

Average person has no conception of what politicians actually do, how legislative process works, and nature of political system attracts the same sort of narcissists who work in media or showbusiness. The kind of personality required to give long speeches, shmooze with voters, present a public image that gets you elected is going to be very different than the analytical mindset you'd find in a policy wonk.

Have noticed a lot less divisiveness here in VT, and I think part of comes down to low population size, predominately rural state. Ratio of people to politicians is much lower than other states. Being so rural you'd expect it to be much more conservative - but we have a unique culture and exceptional trust in our state institutions that I haven't seen anywhere else. There's this libertarian attitude that people should be able to do what they want as long as they don't harm other people, but also belief that government should provide a decent social safety net. People hold themselves responsible for things, but help others when needed.

Many people know their state rep/senator personally, can call them up or text them or whatever and they usually respond. I emailed the Lieutenant Governor a couple months ago about something and she wrote a detailed reply herself - wasn't even her secretary.

Also, when you have a large state with diverse population, there is inevitably more conflict. It's not just urban versus rural it's Black middle class versus Latinx working class vs. Protestant white working class vs rich (((πŸ‘ƒ))), etc. Every group has different interests, the less homogenous the state, and the more people your politicians represent, the harder it is to accommodate all those interests and find something you can all agree on. And that's assuming politicians are representing the interests of their constituents at all. In most cases they're just focused on getting re-elected, and they do that by projecting this image that they're accomplishing something, without necessarily actually doing anything.

tl;dr large democracies are inherently difficult to govern. There are no easy answers.

Reject neoliberalism; take the StupidPolPill.

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Jesse what the frick are you talking about??

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!wordle

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Agreed. Frick ruralcels. We need to divide New York and stop letting upstaters determine public policy for people in NYC.

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