touch foxglove NOW 
It's day three of me literally just posting wholesome bible verses to /r/Christianity, and the """Christians""" are tired of this tomfoolery 
https://old.reddit.com/r/Christianity/comments/una3tv/before_i_formed_you_in_your_mothers_body_i_chose?sort=controversial
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alright, have a blessed day, peace β
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Does Christianity believe in determinism?
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They usually believe God knows the future. Whether that's compatible with free will is up to theologycels
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I have no actual beliefs, I'm just making stuff up that sounds good lol. (I'm actually an atheist). To answer your question, some of them do (calvinists) some of them don't (armenians). my alter ego doesn't care, he is a 95-IQ chad that just wants to praise jesus for gods sake
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Hard determinism is actually my only real belief. If you believe that every force and piece of matter is measurable and calculable, anything else is impossible.
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chad fricking my wife is just a part of the deterministic path of the universe, in which i am but a leaf in the wind
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Eh, I'm pretty sure it's practically impossible to actually calculate every force in the universe.
Outside of semantics, is a deterministic universe where no one can actually determine what will happen really that different from a non-deterministic one?
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Not everything is calculable though. If you entangle two photons and measure them a million miles away, one of them will be spin up and the other will be spin down with 50% probability. We have no ability even in principle to predict or calculate which will be which even knowing 100% of the information in the system.
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Them not being calcuable is not the same as them not being deterministic though. We just can't show it.
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I'm going off of what
@transmission_enjoyer said: measurable and calculable. If you think determinism can exist without being calculable even in principal, then I'd question what your definition of "determinism" is? I think you run into unresolvable philosophical issues if you say determinism can exist without certainty in outcome.
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Iβm sorry to hear that
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alas I am neither a <100IQ chad nor a >130IQ gigabrain
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Youβre selling yourself short, Iβm pretty sure the stable atheist IQ is 120-140.
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all Christians are either happy low-IQ people that have a huge family, or high-IQ pastors that are chads. atheists are midwits
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I canβt argue with that, donβt worry Iβm and agn*stic/buddhist midwit and all the really 2000 IQ megageniuses I meet are either Christian or Hindu.
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Judging by that number im going to guess you're RP'ing as a wypipo. What could be amusing though is if you did a π.
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ACAB
All
Calvinists
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Bastards
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seethe. calvinism is biblically consistent.
"what about all the people God predestined to go to Heck then" 
they deserve it
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Impossibly based, my child
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Calvinists do, most do not.
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the proper term is calvinchads. as in "calvinchads dunk on armencucks"
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You were predestined to make that comment.
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ur mom is predestined to suck my peepee lmao
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Catholicism at least has a fatalistic (realistic) view on humanity. Martin Luther? More like Martin StuffDisDickInYourAss
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Even the ones that say they don't believe in it, they all believe that God is omniscient of the past present and future, created each one of us, knew everything we would ever do and if we would end up in heaven or heck, and still chose to make us that way.
So yeah, all Christianity is by necessity determinist.
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Nope, because if you subscribe to the classical theistic school of thought (as the overwhelming majority of Christian theologians/philosophers did in the past, and the majority in the present still do), God isn't just a being in the universe, but exists outside of it, and therefore isn't constrained by time and causality. Past, present and future are the same thing for him.
This means that even Aquinas, who argued in favor of the complete foreknowledge of God of all things and predestination, can still be interpreted as a free will libertarian.
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I mean he's looking at the universe he created and knew how it would all play out based on how he made it. Those theologians just came up with some wordplay so they can always say "nuh uh, you're wrong, God isn't they way you're describing him because whatever you said doesn't apply to him."
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It's more like him existing in the future, the present and the past simultaneously.
Basically, think of it as being fundamentally analogous to time travel.
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I can grasp that but being an omniscient and omnipotent Prime Cause, knowing precisely how your present actions will create future events where your mind exists at the same time, and still having chosen to do things that way, it not only makes everything your fault, but it really doesn't give us much leeway to say that we are truly making choices.
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As opposed to naturalism plainly stating that everything that has happened and will ever happen is determined by the arbitrary arrangement of matter in the Big Bang and the arbitrary set of physical laws that governs the universe?
If one takes such a reductionist view, then free will doesn't exist in either scenario.
Your free will is contingent on the set of possibilities that's at your disposal; it isn't completely free, but arguing that because of that it doesn't exist at all is a massive stretch.
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bush did 9/11
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Yes, but Afghanistan and Iraq deserved to get invaded anyway.
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George Bush did nothing wrong
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