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EFFORTPOST [Effort post] TBT to 2018 when some moron illegally imported machine gun parts from Russia and then got them stolen

https://old.reddit.com/r/ak47/comments/a5kizx/kilo_guns_llc_is_a_liar_a_thief_he_is_in

								

								

I posted this back when /r/drama hadn't been completely cucked by the admins, but it had a lot of info and names redacted because of the potential dox. It's almost 4 years later now and probably nobody gives a shit anymore, so here it is again.

Our story begins in 2016 when guncel poweruser Topgunebay gives Kilo Guns, an Arizona gun shop, two incredibly rare Russian parts kits, one for Kilo Guns to assemble as a pistol and the other for Kilo to keep as payment for finishing the first kit. To Topgunebay's surprise, instead of fulfilling his obligation, Kilo Guns takes the kit he was supposed to assemble into semi-automatic pistol and turns it into a machine gun instead. That's a problem, because as a private citizen without a dealer/manufacturer license, there's no way that Topgunebay can ever take possession of the gun back in its current form. According to the ATF, once a machine gun, always a machine gun, so it can only ever be in the possession of law enforcement, other licensed dealers/manufacturers, or it can be destroyed. Over the course of two years, Topgunebay hounds Kilo Guns to get his shit back to no avail, while Kilo whores off his stolen Vityaz on Instagram.

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lol he literally took a photo of the same angle every season in 2018

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One of Kilo Guns' sponsored shooters even wins 2nd Place with the stolen machine gun at the 2018 Red Oktober shoot!

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Finally in December 2018, Topgunebay has had enough, posting a long butt tirade about the ordeal to /r/AK47and copy pasting it to Yelp, TheAKForum, and some fricking website I've never heard of called Birdeye. Most people's reaction is "That's fricked up, but why are you bitching about it on the Internet and not getting the authorities involved?"

Turns out, there's no way that Topgunebay could have legally acquired those parts kits in the first place. The US has importation bans against countries like China and Russia. The only way to legally get Russian or Chinese military parts kits is if the guns have been sitting in a "neutral" country for at least 20 years. The stolen parts kit was for a Russian PP-19 Vityaz which didn't even exist until 2004. 2016 - 2004, you do the math.

https://old.reddit.com/r/ak47/comments/a5kizx/kilo_guns_llc_is_a_liar_a_thief_he_is_in/ebnuy0r/

>Kilo is one of the shadiest cats out there. Too many complain, but no one takes action. It's heartbreaking reading stories like this over and over. Call the Dog Tax Assessors Union and put a federal boot up his butt, ankle deep. He's earned it.

OP could also get the federal boot up his butt since the kit was illegally imported in the first place, lol

Explain how the parts kit was illegal.

It was imported from Russia without the proper paperwork which is a federal crime. Even worse, it was probably imported after the sanctions which means not only was it illegally imported, but it violated the Treasury department's sanctions, another federal crime.

It's not something I would publicly call attention to owning like this...

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>You should maybe be cool and delete that.

Why? Everyone is telling him to call the ATF which I am saying could very easily end up costing him everything he owns plus a prison sentence. I'm the only one being sensible here...

The ATF is NOT stupid. The presence of a modern production Russian SMG parts kit will throw up red flags if OP reports this incident. The biggest violation here isn't keeping the parts kit beyond the scheduled delivery date, it's importing it illegally in the first place.

In short, Topgunebay is fricked because involving the feds would draw attention to his other questionably legal activities, like importing gun parts and military surplus from Russia without the proper clearance.

https://old.reddit.com/r/ak47/comments/a5kizx/kilo_guns_llc_is_a_liar_a_thief_he_is_in/ebnuzxv/

"hi yes, ATF? I illegally imported a Vityaz kit and then it was stolen from me, can you get it back?"

Or...orrr here is a solition. Drop an anonymous tip to the ATF saying he has the illegal kits. It hurts to lose them but at least you get to royal frick this guy over in the best way imaginable.

At which point Kilo Guns says to the ATF agent "Oh yeah, I got it from this guy who has a long history, that's publicly available on the internet, of importing gun parts, magazines, etc that are banned. Here's all of our text messages, email exchanges and his address."

You beat me to it, this is what I was going to post next. Kilo has a lot of leverage over OP because of OP's lengthy history of bringing in high dollar illegal firearms parts. It's all right here out in the open. OP has drawn lots of attention to himself by posting about this dispute on multiple forums.

And if OP ends up attracting the wrong attention, it might behoove members of the community to think about what PMs and emails they have exchanged with him to discuss trading, buying and selling things.

And then Grynchmob_Gerry who apparently has a bone to pick uses this opportunity to shit talk all the shady shit Topgunebay has done over the years within the AK community, including the aforementioned importation and tax evasion, price gouging and apparently being solely responsible for cutting off the flow of military goods into the US civilian market by fricking over his Russian contacts. Don't worry though, in 3 years, the Russians themselves would nail the coffin shut on the Russian export market for good.

https://old.reddit.com/r/ak47/comments/a5kizx/kilo_guns_llc_is_a_liar_a_thief_he_is_in/ebolvu0/

https://old.reddit.com/r/ak47/comments/a5kizx/kilo_guns_llc_is_a_liar_a_thief_he_is_in/ebomg3e/?context=10000

So, what the frick ever ended up happening? Well, probably nothing. In February 2019, Topgunebay posted a photo of the Vityaz in rifle form on r/Guns so he must have gotten it back somehow. Kilo's only comment on the situation was this December 2018 Instagram post where he tells people "don't believe the haters, fam."

Kilo Guns is still in business and posting on social media as of May 2022. ATF and State Department clearly don't seem to care about doing their jobs because the newer AK-12 rifles have been popping up in the hands of American GunTubers in the last year.

As for Topgunebay, I asked around on gun boards and chat channels and the consensus seems to be

>He never shut the frick up about the Vityaz incident and everyone got tired of hearing him b-word about it. Eventually, he got himself banned or self-exiled from most of the popular AK/Combloc communities and no one really seems to care about him anymore.

A cursory glance at his reddit profile seems to confirm, as he mostly sticks to Austin related subs and his gun related posts don't get much engagement, though he still does stupid shit like publicly talk about drug use on the same account he posts pictures of his gun collection on.

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All this potential federal assrape with no payoff is blueballing my drama fix. How do they just post that shit so openly?

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How do they just post that shit so openly?

Because the ATF is useless and incompetent?

Like every arm of the US government?

Congress cant do its job

The irs cant do its job

The dmv cant do its job

Ice cant do its job

The military cant do its job

The cia cant do its job

But im sure this is just a coincidence and all the other federal agencies are running at tip top shape :#marseyxd:

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Oh yeah, that

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For 99% of law enforcement entities, most of the funding and personnel go to the "kicking in doors and shooting people" parts instead of the boring but necessary admin backend parts that are seriously understaffed. It's why Dylann Roof and that dishonorably discharged airman who shot up that Texas church were able to pass a background check despite their criminal histories because no one got around to updating their criminal files.

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Idk man, the IRS happily does its job, taxes come out of my paycheck every month.

DMV isn’t federal, it’s a state clusterfrick.

There’s very little to investigate, except for some hearsay from internet r-slurs. It’s banter on an Internet forum, there’s no actual evidence. It could be a fricking fake kit for all they know. There’s probably not enough for a warrant without further digging.

Most agencies aren’t going to waste too much time or effort looking into a Reddit post, despite what the tinfoil hat crowd thinks lol

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The IRS is probably the most efficient government agency, but the taxes coming out of your paycheck every month are withheld by your company.

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ATF is very effective at killing dogs

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ATF raids law abiding gun owners or political enemies, not criminals.

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Kind of a bummer there isn’t any clarity on how he got the Vityaz back. I like to imagine a Mexican Standoff.

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That would be more exciting, but reality is often boring and gay.

Kilo probably decided in the long run it wasn't worth the heat and notoriety (that /r/AK47 post is one of the top results when you google him) since they're both locked in mutually assured destruction if the feds did get involved, so path of least resistance.

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In my experience, despite all the posturing, many guncels are major kitties, so you’re probably right that it was something very undramatic.

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I remember when you posted this on /r/drama. I was just amazed that somebody would be violate both the automatic weapons ban and the Russia sanctions. I figured those were two areas where the glowies would actually crack down. Kind of disappointing that we didn't get a big dramatic payoff in the end.

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Good effort post KING. :marseykingcrown:

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Thanks Sar'ent.

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At least it’s not a

ghost gun :#marseypearlclutch: πŸ‘»

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machine gun

euro moment

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I fricking hate the government. Let us have our autos back darnit

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Don't be serious, you are going to make me laugh. Do you really think Carp cares about you as a person? He just wants to bolster his followers in rDrama. Even the people there and in ruqqus talk about how annoying you are. Seriously, you're kidding yourself.

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