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Unironic posting: I think China might still end up dominating

https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202206/1269087.shtml - mongolia natural gas storage facility is live now.

https://www.voanews.com/a/amid-covid-battle-china-pledges-to-bolster-economies-of-4-nations-including-russia/6632724.html - China states it will bolster the economies of India, Russia, Brazil, and South Africa.

https://www.russia-briefing.com/news/russia-mongolia-trade-up-30-looking-to-expand.html/ - Russia Mongolia trade up 30% in 2021

The fact remains that for China to dominate it's primary needs are a poorer sub group to take care of it's elderly population, access to more women for marriages, and access to a large deposit of raw resources.

Of these China has enough poor people who can be forced to take care of the old + is now rich enough that it can import poor people from abroad to take care of it's people.

In case of access to more women China has access to Mongolian and Russian populations of Women now. As China keeps getting richer they can pretty much entice women from these regions to marry them due to their wealth.

Large deposit of raw resources. East Russia and SIberia.

In addition is the fact that the European economy after coming into conflict with Russia and sanctioning it will fall into stagnation for another decade due to complete dependency on Russia for oil supplies earlier. Germany is hit pretty hard by it and as inflation rises in central Europe all countries suffer due to being pegged to the Euro. Russia is still very likely to also be worse off than it was before. Simply due to the number of soldiers it loses in the ongoing war.

With Europe stagnant and stuck in place and Russia it's equivalent counterpart, there remains the issue of the US and China. Of these the US has not gained anything new meanwhile China has gained an entire resource market to itself at a discounted price in Russia.

On top of this there is far more political instability in the US than there is in China.

If the only thing you are betting on is that China will grow old first, then you are going to likely lose control. China already dominates it's region to it's North. Creating a territory large enough to rule the world.

China + Russia + Mongolia Area = 28.621 Sq. Km ( Larger than the entirely of North America)

That's a big enough territory to provide all the required resource needs of the people even if they were to cut themselves off from the world.

There is the additional problem that Russia, Mongolia, and China move in sync with each other far more greatly than the western nations currently do when it comes to global politics. Which means that you are fighting against a more cohesive political force who is also possessing a higher population and larger land area. The only metrics they are losing out on are a far faster aging population and lower individual wealth.

Now the first is the biggest threat, but by the time it's impact actually damages the East they are in a position to possibly solve the problem altogether by then. China already has a robot density of 246 per 10,000 workers in 2020. That's 2.46% of the workforce that it has already accounted for. China's population by fastest estimates is expected to halve by as soon as 2050. (https://futurism.com/the-byte/china-population-half-30-years). Which means they ought to preferably at least have a robot density of 5,000 per 10,000 workers to be able to get net positive constant growth in the next thirty years. Currently their robot density grows by around 15-20% every year, easily more than enough to cover the necessary needs in the next 30 years.

Now that the population collapse risk has been debunked, we move on to the individual wealth issue. Here you must realize one thing, for a nation to have power on the global stage, individual citizen wealth and income is not half as important as the total income/ GDP of the nation as a whole. In this sphere there is a high chance China will cross the US as it is.

The biggest issue in current year is that China is already set deep enough within the supply chain that it is impossible to completely collapse it, the only thing that can be done is to slow down it's growth, maybe even try to push to stagnate it. However, as of now the US is only capable of doing so by shooting itself in the foot as most of it's factories and construction work is outsourced. It would take at least a decade for the US to fully wrap up the China outsourcing experiment and shift all production to other regions of the world.

Even if such an event were to transpire, China would still have a market in the developing world that is constantly vying for more resources. On top of that China has a large enough internal market to keep growing for decades to come if it chose to focus only internally. China still has alot to catch up to which makes the journey have a blueprint it can follow. The US has no such luxury. This is primarily due to the fact that the US has already reached the cutting edge in terms of technologies developed, the only time that the US progresses is when it goes out of it's way to create something new to add to it's GDP.

As of now that something new is Space Tech, but it would still be decades if not a century before the Space industry is finally fully booming.

The best advantage that the US has is that it can create new allies by focusing on individual nations and helping them speedrun development on the global stage as it did with the Asian tiger economies.

However, turning Vietnam into a new strong ally and turning the middle east western, will that be enough to balance out a China that is now combing it's might with Russia and Mongolia in a very well integrated manner?

It is now impossible to completely collapse Russia. The only thing that can be done is to leave it moderately poor for the decades to come, but even in such a state it continues to supply and provide for the Chinese people.

Europe is going to likely suffer a lost decade this time. No helping it. All of it's economic plans destabilized the moment it went into conflict with Russia.

The US while stable has shown zero space to grow any further this decade, instead falling into internal turmoil as inflation keeps hitting and the political shitshows become worse over time.

There might be a genuine risk that there won't be a multipolar world, just a duo polar one with China as one axis, and the US as the other.

Thoughts?

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I wish I was coping. The problem is westoids only get pro westoid news.

China and the US are the only 10 trillion plus GDP's in the world today.

Of these China is still growing even at the end of the world and has not hit negative rates as of now.

European Union which was meant to be the third axis, has instead now been hit with a decade of likely stagnation with the conflict with Russia. China on the other hand does not feel any hit from this conflict due to not being directly involved yet still gets access to cheaper resources now.

The US on the other hand has to deal with the global oil market prices which have continued to rise due to the Russia Ukraine war.

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>I wish I was coping. The problem is westoids only get pro westoid news.

It's more accurate to say that westoids almost exclusively get westoid news. The problem with taking any stance on this kind of issue is that China is still something of a black box to anyone from outside of China, thanks to some fairly steep cultural and linguistic barriers. This is compounded by a culture of secrecy and reflexive deception inherited from the communists, combined with a culture that places a great deal of value on saving face. Contrast this with the western predilection for rewarding those who find and trumpet to the high heavens (socially acceptable) faults within their societies.

I don't think anyone who has been paying attention will dispute that the west has developed serious faults, but I think it's premature to call this for China, since we don't have an understanding of the faults within and hurdles that may block their ascendency. It is also worth remembering that this isn't the first time an oriental nation was supposed to rise up and challenge US hegemony, according to Blade Runner a good chunk of the planet should be speaking Japanese by now.

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See, I come from India, am a hybrid cultural animal, so I kinda have a better understanding of the east than you do. Like a language translator.

The thing with Japan actually supports my point of view. China has already gotten way further than Japan did when it was competing with the US. Sure there is a chance China loses, but at the same time there is also a greater chance than Japan of China winning.

My point is I think it is a real possibility that China could win in it's part of the world and take half the world with it. Plus historically outside of two centuries, China was the greatest and richest empire in the world historically.

It's final real challenge is to secure fresh blood in it's aging population.

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>See, I come from India, am a hybrid cultural animal, so I kinda have a better understanding of the east than you do. Like a language translator.

I was born and raised somewhere a lot further east than you. Being Indian gives you no special understanding of China, or anywhere outside of the Indian subcontinent, which is very much its own separate beast from south east and east asian cultures.

>My point is I think it is a real possibility that China could win in it's part of the world and take half the world with it

It might, it might not. China has had an easy go of it so far, with little genuine resistance to its runaway growth, blatant theft of ideas and attempts to expand its influence abroad. These are the good times for China right now and will not last forever.

It also doesn't help that the Chinese have very little to offer beyond money and resources to those they want to coax into their sphere, which is entirely in keeping with the frankly idiotic "middle kingdom" concept of paying everyone around you protection money until one group of barbarians becomes strong enough to invade and make themselves the new "Chinese" emperors. Mainland Chinese culture is just flat out inferior to every other culture in Asia, it's just so incredibly crass and vulgar, no sane individual would want to assimilate anything from it. Say what you will about the Americans, but rock and roll, blue jeans and coca cola were things that people from other cultures would actually want.

Play me out longpostbot.

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idiotic "middle kingdom" concept

seems to be working for the moment plus there was a gap of centuries between invasions.

>little genuine resistance to its runaway growth

It's been receiving resistance for half a decade plus now.

You are South Korean aren't ya?

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>Mainland Chinese culture is just flat out inferior to every other culture in Asia, it's just so incredibly crass and vulgar, no sane individual would want to assimilate anything from it. Say what you will about the Americans, but rock and roll, blue jeans and coca cola were things that people from other cultures would actually want.

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China also has to deal with oil prices. Russia has plenty of other markets besides the West.

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China is getting discounted oil from Russia

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Like heck they are. Russians got plenty of other people who would buy their oil.

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Seethe amerimutt

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