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Seth Cotlar (@sethcotlar.bsky.social):
JD Vance was 15 when Columbine happened. He lacks the historical awareness to know that school shootings, for most of American history, were not "a fact of life" at all.
Seth Cotlar (@sethcotlar.bsky.social):
Ask Americans over 45 if it ever occurred to them that they might perish in a school shooting when they were young, and most will tell you they never considered the possibility, let alone do drills to prepare for it.
Ms. Penny Oaken (@skywitches.net):
Shooting, no.
Nuclear bomb drills …
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Ms. Penny Oaken (@skywitches.net):
I read and understood what you wrote.
I am aware of the account and its history and what his motives are, overt and covert.
The appropriate approach is
Report,
Block,
Greyrock.
The fact that there's a "community troll hunter" dedicated to him is a win condition for him.
Coyote ^.^ ΘΔ (@coyoteden.bsky.social):
Since I brought bubbles into this, I'll add my 0.02 here:
Reporting and blocking works when a bigot or troll continues to use one account they care about.
This is a different problem. Right now you can carpet bomb targeted groups from hundreds of fake accounts.
Bluesky needs a way to stop that.
Ms. Penny Oaken (@skywitches.net):
That's difficult to do because of a variety of considerations, most of which are beyond the scope of site operation.
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daryl "the jicero 🫗" bartley 🏳️⚧️ (@hypercubexl.bsky.social):
😆😂🤣
Ms. Penny Oaken (@skywitches.net):
I almost feel sorry for getting baby nicky f banhammered off reddit
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eva (@eva.computer):
whatever happened to hipster banjo type music
mollie quinn 🏳️⚧️ (@threnody.bsky.social):
it eventually became the soundtrack to pharmaceutical ads and then mumford or his son stormed the capitol or said covid wasn't any more real than aids or something that made everyone go, "no one ever really liked this stuff, right? are we done now?"
Sage 🏳️⚧️ (@trans.bsky.social):
wtf was mumford or one of his sons a rightwinger???
Caræsten 🇵🇸 (@cara.city):
yeah lol www.rollingstone.com/music/music-...
Sage 🏳️⚧️ (@trans.bsky.social):
darn now i feel even more justified hating their shitty music
Ms. Penny Oaken (@skywitches.net):
Not All Banjoplayers
mollie quinn 🏳️⚧️ (@threnody.bsky.social):
absolutely not! but this one. oho this one.
Ms. Penny Oaken (@skywitches.net):
There was an old SCAdian, Joe Bethancourt III, famous for favouring the banjo as his primary musical instrument. Wrote and/or filked and/or composed a huge swath of music, compiled and hosted online songbooks …
And dropped into Tea Party madness a few years before passing away.
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tayy (@gorl.gay):
echolalia cloaca
Ms. Penny Oaken (@skywitches.net):
Echolalia cloaca
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tayy (@gorl.gay):
echolalia cloaca
ꜱ ᴛ ᴀ ʀ ʙ ʟ ᴏ ᴏ ᴅ (@yurei.bsky.social):
echolalia cloaca
ꜱ ᴛ ᴀ ʀ ʙ ʟ ᴏ ᴏ ᴅ (@yurei.bsky.social):
echolalia cloaca cola
Ms. Penny Oaken (@skywitches.net):
Echolalia cloaca cola corvus corax
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Ms. Penny Oaken (@skywitches.net):
No, I said "have you considered using blocklists and not mythologising him".
I also said "good luck and have a nice life", which is drawing an end to our interaction, a boundary.
Again - goodbye.
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Ms. Penny Oaken (@skywitches.net):
Throwaway confirmation email accounts are pennies per dozen and/or free. Depends on how they're approached. Someone with a $1.00 a month icloud account can have infinite privacy emails through their relay service.
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Ms. Penny Oaken (@skywitches.net):
And my point is that confirmation emails - while they introduce friction into signups, preventing mass automation - don't stop the kind of bad actor that is mr bbbls.
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Conspirador Norteño (@conspirator0.bsky.social):
People keep saying that AI-generated images inevitably become harder to distinguish from reality as the technology gets more sophisticated.
Reality is more complicated; context and details matter. Which of these synthetic images is more likely to be mistaken for an actual photo?
Ms. Penny Oaken (@skywitches.net):
why must you tempt me with the image on the right
Stef @[email protected] Christensen (@wikisteff.bsky.social):
I know it's totally fake, but that doesn't mean that I'm not gonna print it out on card stock and put it on my wall right now.
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Ms. Penny Oaken (@skywitches.net):
I read and understood what you wrote.
I am aware of the account and its history and what his motives are, overt and covert.
The appropriate approach is
Report,
Block,
Greyrock.
The fact that there's a "community troll hunter" dedicated to him is a win condition for him.
Ms. Penny Oaken (@skywitches.net):
Every time someone moans that he's back, win condition.
Every moment spent blaming BSky T&S (instead of ascribing the blame to a boundary violating sociopath seeking notoriety), win condition.
People talking about & mythologising him, win condition.
Ms. Penny Oaken (@skywitches.net):
When people start personally abusing others who have experience in fighting sociopathic stalkers and ban evading bigots, win condition.
Stef @[email protected] Christensen (@wikisteff.bsky.social):
Who is this?
Can I block them already?
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Ms. Penny Oaken (@skywitches.net):
someone who just got on the wrong track, got a bit heated, and blocked me when they got mad enough at what they thought I said. Not a bad person, just in need of a breather.
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Ms. Penny Oaken (@skywitches.net):
Good luck and have a nice life
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Dune (1987) θ∆
crop top appreciator(@nofunoverlord.top):the Alberta government: "everyone deserves $15/hr minimum wage"
Alberta's court system: "ah yes jurors deserve $7.69/hr (or less)"
Ms. Penny Oaken (@skywitches.net):
Texas: "… best I can do is $3.00 a day and a bus pass."
Dune (1987) θ∆
crop top appreciator(@nofunoverlord.top):oh, if I heard correctly I get 50.5 cents (we don't have half cents but go on) per km for travel expenses.
it'll work out to be about $10 a day. which is just enough for transit, but won't cover the Ubers I'm gonna need to get there.
I can transit home but getting there is gonna be tough
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Ms. Penny Oaken (@skywitches.net):
If I had a nickel for every time a right wing hatemonger confused mere antiphrasis with satire, I could bankroll a whole studio of affirming, positive, charming talk hosts
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ᚊᚒᚓᚓᚅᚐᚌᚓᚏ (@ciara2001.bsky.social):
What did I look at Wu's timeline over there 🫤 She's blaming a change in attitudes in the UK on "self-id" and not, you know, a press intent on monstering trans people, urged on by a rabid rump Tory party as a distraction from their own failings
Ms. Penny Oaken (@skywitches.net):
And RT bankrolling the likes of Julie Bindel
ShadowPages (@shadowpages.bsky.social):
As is coming out, RT has been bankrolling some really terrible people.
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Tyler from the Internet (@tylerjameshill.bsky.social):
Hagatha Crusty (@obviouslycloe.bsky.social):
Hoooow does she have 10k followers, gross.
Himbo Blacksmith🇿🇦🇮🇹 (@himboblacksmith.bsky.social):
she's definitely paid for followers or run her own script to make a batch of accounts. Go through her follower list, 9/10 are no avatar, no display name, new account or some other combination of the three.
Tyler from the Internet (@tylerjameshill.bsky.social):
Lmao paying for followers on Bluesky is more embarrassing than having an AI girlfriend
CaffeineIsLife (@caffeineislife.bsky.social):
Brianna is an absolutely shit human, but there still wasn't a "pay for" follows service here.
Ms. Penny Oaken (@skywitches.net):
She's friends with the people who ran the KotakuInAction-esque subreddits. They would manufacture reddit sockpuppets en masse for their own ends. They absolutely would slap 7,000 sockpuppet followers on her account here to feed her ego
Ms. Penny Oaken (@skywitches.net):
just to feed her ego.
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Sage 🏳️⚧️ (@trans.bsky.social):
congrats to Brianna Wu for finally coming out as trans. it is unfortunate she is only doing so to attack trans rights.
the "new" DSM-V Brianna is referring to was published over a decade ago in 2013.
the older DSM-IV was published in 1994 and included diagnostic criteria for conversion therapy.
Sage 🏳️⚧️ (@trans.bsky.social):
i am once again including Brianna Wu's full name in any posts about her so that people can opt-out of these threads (and her entirely) by adding her name as a muted word in their account's moderation settings.
Sage 🏳️⚧️ (@trans.bsky.social):
quoting me to defend Brianna Wu as a reasonable centrist who just has a "different take" is a great way to get a fast block.
also i did not at any point say she only transitioned to attack trans people. in the post i included she specifically uses her identity as justification for transphobia.
panda, the artful scientist (@artfulscientist.bsky.social):
wait, people defend Brianna Wu?
why?
Sascha Stronach🏳️⚧️, The Sunforge out now (@understatesmen.bsky.social):
I'm assuming a lot of people haven't really thought of her since Gmergate and their mental picture of her is from then – I only found out how deep she'd gone down the rabbit hole a few months back and it kinda shattered the memories I had of her from 2014.
Ms. Penny Oaken (@skywitches.net):
Same.
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This is a really long way of saying you don't frick.
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b-boy bouiebaisse (@jbouie.bsky.social):
as soon as i heard about the shooting i figured this would be the origin of the gun
b-boy bouiebaisse (@jbouie.bsky.social):
14-year-old boy who spends his time on 4chan-type forums and has a gun his parents gave him. practically an archetype.
Her Dreadful Ghoulesty, Kristin the Boo 👻 (@hrm-kristin-i.bsky.social):
Don't forget that the kid and his dad were interviewed about school shooting threats the kid made earlier in the year.
After that, the dad gave him a rifle.
Frick gun culture.
Ms. Penny Oaken (@skywitches.net):
God fricking darnit
Her Dreadful Ghoulesty, Kristin the Boo 👻 (@hrm-kristin-i.bsky.social):
It's the fricking worst, every way you look at it
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Karl (sad trombone noise enthusiast) (@brainnotonyet.bsky.social):
Thread.
There is a concerted effort going on within the Neo con establishment as embodied by things like the Lincoln Project to try and whitewash and downplay if not outright lie about the fact that American white supremacy, Maga and fascism are American constructs they are creating a narrative
Karl (sad trombone noise enthusiast) (@brainnotonyet.bsky.social):
That the entirety of the Trump fascist movement and the larger fascist movement that has not just infiltrated, but become the Republican party is a foreign entity that is not American and that is not a direct result of decades of Republican politics and Republican Christianity.
Karl (sad trombone noise enthusiast) (@brainnotonyet.bsky.social):
This revisionist and deeply a historic narrative is using Russia as a proxy for the American Republican parties descent into full throated, autocratic fascist beliefs. it is a colonial practice of recuperation that attempts to abs Bzzz and lie about the nature of the conservative threat
Karl (sad trombone noise enthusiast) (@brainnotonyet.bsky.social):
It is being used to rehabilitate the Republican party and downplay the clear and present threat of white Christian lead, fascist violence and retreat from Democratic norms. This is a bold strategy, but one that the Lincoln project seems very confident in using to confuse the population
Karl (sad trombone noise enthusiast) (@brainnotonyet.bsky.social):
The Lincoln Project is a neocon propaganda operation. It always has been as has been the resist movement and its wholesale creation by Internet, grifters and Republican aligned influencers. It also works to push the population right in a subtle way by saying these people are extreme. We are not.
Karl (sad trombone noise enthusiast) (@brainnotonyet.bsky.social):
And in doing this it pushes the Overton window to the right for much of the population in a way that they don't even understand until later. If at all. This is an incredibly savvy information and PR technique that is being used to manipulate the population in a way that is quite pernicious and bold.
Ms. Penny Oaken (@skywitches.net):
Limited hangout?
Karl (sad trombone noise enthusiast) (@brainnotonyet.bsky.social):
One might say.
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That's nice sweaty. Why don't you have a seat in the time out corner with Pizzashill until you calm down, then you can have your Capri Sun.
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bardfinn...
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Record is 1 days 13 hours 09 minutes and 59 seconds by TheDunceonFlorist
Best friend is BardWatch with 1199 mentions
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bardfinn?
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Record is 1 days 13 hours 09 minutes and 59 seconds by TheDunceonFlorist
newest bardfriend is credulous at 14:54 on 24-08-2024
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Hestia (@thegentlestorm.bsky.social):
Why the frick, do I have mutuals that follow Brianna fricking Wu?
Sort your shit out, or unfollow me
Ms. Penny Oaken (@skywitches.net):
I followed her account a year ago, in the age before she unveiled her creation of the One Ring
Gave myself a nasty shock when all this started to come public
Meth Lab For Cutie (@nataliereed84.bsky.social):
When was any of her nonsense not public?
Ms. Penny Oaken (@skywitches.net):
My mental file on her stopped being updated somewhere around 2019; Lots more was on my plate.
It was only these past few months when she started making "these pretentious transtrenders" noises that it snapped back
Meth Lab For Cutie (@nataliereed84.bsky.social):
She's been consistently awful since, like, 2015 though. :P
Ms. Penny Oaken (@skywitches.net):
Well, I was also guilty of filing her away under "Is Target / Victim of misogynist terrorist movement «Clown World» ecosystem" and leaving it there.
Meth Lab For Cutie (@nataliereed84.bsky.social):
Yeah, the trouble is that she WAS, but being the target of devils doesn't necessarily mean one is an angel. 🤷♀️
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Hestia (@thegentlestorm.bsky.social):
I love the comparison 😅
Ms. Penny Oaken (@skywitches.net):
She was busy busy busy building confidences and networking and relationships and oh holy heck the metaphor is so apt, in hindsight
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Sage 🏳️⚧️ (@trans.bsky.social):
congrats to Brianna Wu for finally coming out as trans. it is unfortunate she is only doing so to attack trans rights.
the "new" DSM-V Brianna is referring to was published over a decade ago in 2013.
the older DSM-IV was published in 1994 and included diagnostic criteria for conversion therapy.
Ms. Penny Oaken (@skywitches.net):
The problem with the DSM-IV in specific is that the axes model it used for scoring dysphoria would literally be used to deny treatment if someone lived in a supporting & accepting society, culture, religion, career, family. "Everyone accepts you're trans? No external source of dysphoria? No meds!"
Ms. Penny Oaken (@skywitches.net):
And Brianna knows it.
Sage 🏳️⚧️ (@trans.bsky.social):
Brianna Wu specifically mentioned supporting the DSM-IV as well!
She wants to throw out over 30 years of research in psychology, biology, & medicine to claw society backwards.
deeply reactionary & dangerous politics. No wonder she's friends with Lauren Southern now.
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Ms. Penny Oaken (@skywitches.net):
There's a long-standing journ*lism norm that "literally transcribing a spoken speech is a jerk thing to do; everyone reads badly when their speech is transcribed literally", and journ*lists have to get past this Victorian era moral axiom
Trump exploited it for decades.
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Ms. Penny Oaken (@skywitches.net):
Brianna Wu's "Besties" list now includes:
🔘 Mouthpiece for Russian-bought Transphobia & White Identity Extremism Lauren Southern
🔘 Richard Hanania, infamous neoNazi shitposter
🔘 The people who ran /r/KotakuInAction, /r/TumblrInAction, and /r/SocialJusticeInAction
Ms. Penny Oaken (@skywitches.net):
bsky.app/profile/skyw...
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Erin Biba (@erinbiba.bsky.social):
Reminder that this study was:
tiny
used methods (burning) that don't mimic how the body interacts with materials
found a teeny tiny amount of metals that are considered safe levels
was only one study
was not reported on by science journ*lists
And now the govt is the stoking hysteria.
Ms. Penny Oaken (@skywitches.net):
"How many tampons / brands / varieties did they test," she asked, knowing it would be far fewer than what is available on a randomly chosen store shelf
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Ms. Penny Oaken (@skywitches.net):
The hate groups that existed on Reddit arose from a sea of Pickup Artist / MRA groups that platformed misogyny through Neosexism - men resenting the accurate identification of discrimination, denying & dismissing concerns over sexism, & DARVOing.
It's a primer for violent extremist radicalisation.
Ms. Penny Oaken (@skywitches.net):
All the rhetorical cowtools and attitudes that make young men prime recruits for MRA & PUA scams make them susceptible to every other kind of conspiracy theory culture / scammer grift.
Ms. Penny Oaken (@skywitches.net):
When it came time to turn /r/the_donald into a 24/7 rally, the sub founders recruited a guy who haunted Redpill & PUA subreddit comment sections. Their target audience was always "sexually anxious" young men.
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Tim Onion (@bencollins.bsky.social):
Man who has ruined every product he's touched in the last five years to streamline United States government.
Renee Perry (@rroseperry.bsky.social):
He really needs that Musk money.
Burney Sandwich (@burneysandwich.bsky.social):
And Musk really needs that future pardon.
Renee Perry (@rroseperry.bsky.social):
What's Musk going to jail for? I thought the stuff against him is mainly civil.
Ms. Penny Oaken (@skywitches.net):
One wonders where originates the $$$$$$ Twitter is paying out to its election-disrupting, civil-war-fomenting, stochastic-terrorist, transphobic, White Identity Extremist "content partners", and to what extent Musk is aware of the Registered Foreign Agent status of those sources
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Dr. Nyri A. Bakkalian (@riversidewings.bsky.social):
Okay imagine if Takahashi Chikuzan and some ghosts from Heian era Kyoto played punk songs.
Ms. Penny Oaken (@skywitches.net):
At first I was like, Yoshida Brothers, but then "some ghosts from Heian" makes me think it's Ningen Isu
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Alejandra Caraballo (@esqueer.bsky.social):
It's oddly funny that these idiots keep slowly realizing that they've surrounded themselves with nazis.
Brooke Binkowski (@brooklynmarie.bsky.social):
Love their big brain "he's just trying to hurt Trump" takes
Ms. Penny Oaken (@skywitches.net):
"The former market leader in our market segment has gone mask off Nazi. What's the best explanation of this phenomenon? Oh, it's «He's playing 11-D chess»"
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Allie, Demon of Djent, Fiend of the Pit (@alliesadventuring.party):
ok imagine if the messiest polycule you know got locked in a recording studio together
Ms. Penny Oaken (@skywitches.net):
Walk off the Earth
Allie, Demon of Djent, Fiend of the Pit (@alliesadventuring.party):
lmaooo this honestly might fit better
Allie, Demon of Djent, Fiend of the Pit (@alliesadventuring.party):
in the same vein: Pentatonix
Ms. Penny Oaken (@skywitches.net):
Aaaaaaaaaa!!
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Ms. Penny Oaken (@skywitches.net):
The executive bullet point of this story is "MAGA's core constituency are the spiritual successors of the KKK, and just as willing to carry out political terror; they are just waiting for social sanction to do so."
The distinction is that Trump might throw a lit match into them come November.
Ms. Penny Oaken (@skywitches.net):
Law enforcement needs to prepare for White Identity Extremist violence used to disrupt the election, local & state governments, the federal government - if Trump loses.
If Trump wins … well, I will be a political refugee.
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✨️Angel Facts✨️ (@angelic.style):
CHALLENGE: describe a band by going "okay imagine if ...." everyone else try to guess the band
the c*m man (@thecumman.gay):
okay imagine four incredibly talented musicians who are also the ugliest dudes you ever seen
Ms. Penny Oaken (@skywitches.net):
Journey
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✨️Angel Facts✨️ (@angelic.style):
CHALLENGE: describe a band by going "okay imagine if ...." everyone else try to guess the band
An Even Meaner Lesbian (@carcosette.bsky.social):
Okay, imagine if you were a goth, but a little silly with it, and really committed to the bit
Ms. Penny Oaken (@skywitches.net):
Cocteau Twins
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Kiraculous the Cyborg🏳️⚧️ (@kiraculous.net):
lets see if this past 5 likes
Kiraculous the Cyborg🏳️⚧️ (@kiraculous.net):
1. favorite color: red the color of highly oxygenated blood, what people call bloodred is much darker than the red i like best
Kiraculous the Cyborg🏳️⚧️ (@kiraculous.net):
2. favorote food? applewood smoked dryrub ribs
Kiraculous the Cyborg🏳️⚧️ (@kiraculous.net):
3. favorite book? it's still the way of kings
Kiraculous the Cyborg🏳️⚧️ (@kiraculous.net):
4. favorite tv series? futurama. it premiered on my 13th birthday... i should have taken the warning and not been a delivery driver as my first job
Kiraculous the Cyborg🏳️⚧️ (@kiraculous.net):
5. favorite movie? I SAW THE TV GLOW IS THE GREATEST FILM EVER MADE
Kiraculous the Cyborg🏳️⚧️ (@kiraculous.net):
6. favorite singer/band? i unironically love eve 6
Kiraculous the Cyborg🏳️⚧️ (@kiraculous.net):
7. favorite song? currently? Arch Drive Goodbye
Kiraculous the Cyborg🏳️⚧️ (@kiraculous.net):
8. favorite animal? i've always been partial to lions, but if i can get venture capital funding and my hands on some narwhal modified extended tooth dna and a crispir it'll be my artisanal unicorns
Kiraculous the Cyborg🏳️⚧️ (@kiraculous.net):
9. favorite meme/gif? people have favorite memes and gifs? that's a thing?
experiences a feeling of old that turns universes to empty nothingness
Kiraculous the Cyborg🏳️⚧️ (@kiraculous.net):
10. favorite random fact?
in cleopatra's egypt there was a field of scholarship on the subject of ancient egypt.
in a period of time we consider ancient, they studied periods of time they considered ancient.
Kiraculous the Cyborg🏳️⚧️ (@kiraculous.net):
11. favorite season? it used to be spring because it's furthest from winter, now it's fall because it's furthest from summer
Kiraculous the Cyborg🏳️⚧️ (@kiraculous.net):
12. favorite way to unwind? doesn't that depend on the way i'm (brief aside but isn't in frustratin that if you're out of breath you're winded but the past tense of wind is wound?) wound?
Kiraculous the Cyborg🏳️⚧️ (@kiraculous.net):
13. go to coffee order? caramel latté extra caramel, or as i like to call it faerie blood
Kiraculous the Cyborg🏳️⚧️ (@kiraculous.net):
14. hobbies? i used to have so many but since my back issues started they dropped to just gaming and reading but i'm hoping i can get more active soon
Kiraculous the Cyborg🏳️⚧️ (@kiraculous.net):
15. bucket list items?
1. create unicorns
2. bottom surgery
3. live forever
Kiraculous the Cyborg🏳️⚧️ (@kiraculous.net):
16. siblings? yep got some of those
Kiraculous the Cyborg🏳️⚧️ (@kiraculous.net):
17. pets? yes please
Kiraculous the Cyborg🏳️⚧️ (@kiraculous.net):
18. early memory? eating part of ohio as a dirt pie
Kiraculous the Cyborg🏳️⚧️ (@kiraculous.net):
19. phone lock screen? the standard iphone one i think
Kiraculous the Cyborg🏳️⚧️ (@kiraculous.net):
20. pet peeve? people who use dived instead of dove or psses defensed instead of passes defended
Kiraculous the Cyborg🏳️⚧️ (@kiraculous.net):
21. currently reading? i've been having concentration issues lately so i haven't been reading much
Kiraculous the Cyborg🏳️⚧️ (@kiraculous.net):
22. currently watching? the newest @jessiegender.bsky.social video
Kiraculous the Cyborg🏳️⚧️ (@kiraculous.net):
23. first job? delivery driver
Kiraculous the Cyborg🏳️⚧️ (@kiraculous.net):
24. topic i love discussing? how the failure of a two party system in america caused literally every single major conflict and most minor ones since 1919.
Kiraculous the Cyborg🏳️⚧️ (@kiraculous.net):
25. little known fact about me? i was a rainy day away from being a state track champion in high school
Kiraculous the Cyborg🏳️⚧️ (@kiraculous.net):
26. hilariously bad at? letting things go
Kiraculous the Cyborg🏳️⚧️ (@kiraculous.net):
27. place i want to visit? everywhere there is a wueer person who wants to smooch me, other than those, the scottish highlands
Ms. Penny Oaken (@skywitches.net):
jazz hands
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I don't know what you said, because I've seen another human naked.
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Ms. Penny Oaken (@skywitches.net):
Common knowledge in my avocation but which shocks outsiders:
90%+ of social media user reports are unactionable.
False reports, spam, vague reports, "I don't like this person", etc.
Ms. Penny Oaken (@skywitches.net):
T&S paid employees aren't able to be gumshoes / sheriffs. They are almost always:
🔘 sitting at a desk, looking at a dialog box on a screen
🔘 Dialog box shows a snippet of text & asks "Does this violate Rule 3, Y/N"
🔘 Whether they keep their job & benefits depends on answering these =< 10 secs/each
Dmitri (@momus.bsky.social):
this isn't shocking to me, sadly, but that's because i know that this is how standardized tests are "graded" except you have only several seconds to answer 1 through 4 and you get fired if you answer differently from the two/three other people who see the same question
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Nick (@iai.bsky.social):
Might give these a bash, always up for trying new meats
Barry R (@geospacedman.bsky.social):
"salt" is a term used in password encryption, I wonder what's gone on there... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salt_(c...
Ms. Penny Oaken (@skywitches.net):
s/salt/anonymized_person_0/g
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gas station hot dog (@jon-christian.bsky.social):
i thought they were against a victim mentality!!
Ms. Penny Oaken (@skywitches.net):
"I, as well as other commentators & personalities, were deceived about the source of the $$$$$$ we gladly took for gladly vomiting hatred & violent incitement. Had we known, we would have refused it from 2° Shell Company.
Up next: Hate the transes, sponsored by our new sponsor, 3° Shell Company!"
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Ms. Penny Oaken (@skywitches.net):
So they say. So they say.
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Ms. Penny Oaken (@skywitches.net):
The meme format possibilities for this are endless.
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Karl (sad trombone noise enthusiast) (@brainnotonyet.bsky.social):
So wait some of the people named are streaming right now trying to downplay the allegations in the doj allegations. I have a feeling a whole lot of attorneys are screaming
Ms. Penny Oaken (@skywitches.net):
"Ladies and Gentlemen of the Jury — over the last four days, you have seen State's Prosecutor attempt to bamboozle you with hearsay arguments placing my client near the crime, during the time of the alleged civil war incitement payola —"
Client: "The imminent civil war!"
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Karl (sad trombone noise enthusiast) (@brainnotonyet.bsky.social):
It's amazing
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The Nerdy Lawyer (@shirenomad.bsky.social):
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Aaron Rodericks (@aaron.bsky.team):
The inversion principle is a powerful tool I use to shift my perspective and uncover blind spots. Consider this example: "I was repeatedly rude to this person because they are bad." Here, user A labels themselves as good, justifying rudeness to user B, whom they've labeled as bad. 1/7
Aaron Rodericks (@aaron.bsky.team):
People who agree with user A might think it's acceptable to be rude to user B due to their "bad" views. To check for bias, flip the model by inverting the users. Is it acceptable if user B does the same to user A? If not, there's a bias favoring one group over the other. 2/7
Aaron Rodericks (@aaron.bsky.team):
T&S policies should focus on behaviors (e.g., treating others with respect), regardless of the direction of rudeness. Otherwise, policies could be weaponized to favor one group over another repeatedly. 3/7
Aaron Rodericks (@aaron.bsky.team):
While bad faith actors exist and context matters, most cases involve two people trying to spend time online. Often, one person believes their abuse is justified based on the other's ideas or identity. 4/7
Aaron Rodericks (@aaron.bsky.team):
I've kept labels neutral to avoid polarizing the discussion with conflict, identity, or political associations. The goal of this self-questioning is to ensure impartiality when consulted on policy violations by moderators. 5/7
Aaron Rodericks (@aaron.bsky.team):
This principle helps me maintain neutrality in decision-making. By inverting perspectives, I can better understand and address potential biases in our approach to content moderation and user interactions. 6/7
Aaron Rodericks (@aaron.bsky.team):
I wish I could find the Twitter thread where I first saw it for credit, but I could not find the post from several years ago. I look forward nonetheless in learning and applying new ideas from Bluesky threads in the future! 7/7
mdy (@mdy.bsky.social):
I first encountered the idea of Inversion on the Farnam Street blog. fs.blog/inversion/
Infinite Perspective (@infiniteview.bsky.social):
That's cool but aaron is not doing inversion as described in that blog. He's doing reversal, as in reversing victim and offender. He's asking "what if it was Jews posting images of ovens at Nazis?" and saying that if that's okay then the other way must be too, or else it's "biased".
Ms. Penny Oaken (@skywitches.net):
No. In the thread he discusses "the vast majority of cases" being two people having a viewpoint disagreement — a hedge row.
And the vast majority of moderation call-ins involving good faith users are just disagreements. "Why is Problematic Person X Allowed Here".
Ms. Penny Oaken (@skywitches.net):
Nazis posting simultaneous holocaust denial and glorification isn't the use case for this tool; Nazism isn't something that gets evaluated- It just gets booted.
Ms. Penny Oaken (@skywitches.net):
Nazis — and self-declared transphobes, bigots, boundary violators, stalkers, etc that are clearly violating the acceptable use policy / user agreement, should just be Downmarseyd (where available (not this platform)), Reported, and Blocked.
95% of those /want/ hostility from their targets.
Ms. Penny Oaken (@skywitches.net):
What works to make those kinds of violators get frustrated and give up and go do something else
Is to run into a boring, emotionless grey brick wall.
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Egalitarian (@egality.bsky.social):
Now do the Genocide in Gaza.
Ms. Penny Oaken (@skywitches.net):
I oppose that.
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Egalitarian (@egality.bsky.social):
Cool, should the people cheering it on or otherwise justifying or defending it be banned?
Ms. Penny Oaken (@skywitches.net):
I'm going to stop you.
I know when someone is using elenchic approaches to "little lady" patronise me. You can cut it out.
I helped get Reddit Sitewide Rule 1, which prohibits genocide promotion & denial, adopted.
support.reddithelp.com/hc/en-us/art...
Ms. Penny Oaken (@skywitches.net):
I and others I worked with used that to document & get banned dozens of groups cheering on genocides or denying genocides, regardless of political persuasion.
Egalitarian (@egality.bsky.social):
Both on Reddit, and here on this site, your work seems to be completely for naught, as they freely, without any restraint promote genocide, and the only people punished are the people that call them out.
Ms. Penny Oaken (@skywitches.net):
Yeah, uh, you opened with belittling me and now you're dismissing the work I did — which I tracked and analysed, kept metrics on — out of hand.
To whom are you making an argument
Because it isn't me
Egalitarian (@egality.bsky.social):
Yes. I am. I am belittling your "work" because it was a waste and counter productive. I'm certainly not making an argument to you, or anyone who thinks like you. You coddle fascists.
Ms. Penny Oaken (@skywitches.net):
If you're not making an argument to me, why are you engaging me
Egalitarian (@egality.bsky.social):
Because, as a stupid piece of shit saying wrong things, your stupidity and lies deserve to be challenged.
Ms. Penny Oaken (@skywitches.net):
and that would be why your Reddit account got banned, probably - for deciding that someone was an abuse target.
Goodbye.
Egalitarian (@egality.bsky.social):
For telling someone insulting and being abusive me? Absolutely. It's unfortunate that it was a sub mod and they have unchecked power. Like the system you work in.
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Egalitarian (@egality.bsky.social):
It's particularly galling to cite the Reddit rule, since that site is the worst cesspool of genocide apologia and promotion.
Egalitarian (@egality.bsky.social):
Calling what has been happening in Gaza "a genocide" got my own account banned from a sub, then reported for "antisemitic hate" (for calling a genocide "a genocide"), and permanently banned from the whole site. Quite the Christmas present last year.
Ms. Penny Oaken (@skywitches.net):
I read a lot of these kinds of "I was unfairly banned" narratives — literally tens of thousands — and few of them stack up. It takes four separate incidents of sitewide rules violations - or a federal crime - for an account to be permanently banned from Reddit.
Again, to whom are you arguing
Egalitarian (@egality.bsky.social):
lol, nope. The account talked on one niche forum until the genocide, and then about that. It was banned for calling a genocide "a genocide" and was reported by various factions, like "democrats" and other Zionists. Easily racking up 4 reports for the one thing.
Egalitarian (@egality.bsky.social):
It's a nice easy bullshit excuse you have, but it's transparent, considering the argument you're making here, on this thread, in this context.
Ms. Penny Oaken (@skywitches.net):
Again, why do you think it's acceptable to misogynistically patronise me, strawman me as a fascist sympathiser, etc
Would it not be a better use of your time to attend therapy
Egalitarian (@egality.bsky.social):
Lmao, go frick yourself with the misogynistically patronizing bullshit. How many times did your genocide defending butt pull rank on me. Eat shit.
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Impressive. Normally people with such severe developmental disabilities struggle to write much more than a sentence or two. You really have exceeded our expectations for the writing portion. Sadly the coherency of your writing, along with your abilities in the social skills and reading portions, are far behind your peers with similar disabilities.
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Volition (@volition.bsky.social):
how many transphobes, bigots, boundary violators, and stalkers actually "self-declare" as such?
Ms. Penny Oaken (@skywitches.net):
A surprising amount. Most ultimately want attention / to violate someone else's boundaries, so declaring that they've violated a boundary is pretty high on their priorities.
Excising that incentive curbs that vector of abuse.
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RadioFreeZerg (@radiofreezerg.bsky.social):
Are you pretending Naomi Cunningham isn't here with no action from T&S besides a tepid "intolerance" label?
That there isn't an unacknowledged targeted harassment campaign active against the trans women who use this site? Lot of abstraction and theorizing that doesn't match whats actually going on
Ms. Penny Oaken (@skywitches.net):
I am saying that, practically, no social media site can demand a person produce their /Nazikeule/ to determine whether they get service. None of them can ban "Nazis" from using the site - only the ones chanting, ranting, flying flags.
Or ones which have an airtight case attached to their reputation
Ms. Penny Oaken (@skywitches.net):
I know she's a bigot, representing a bigoted cause and org.
You know it.
For T&S, the question is, "Is she using the site to do so".
T&S aren't omniscient. They need a case. That case can originate in many ways.
In the meantime, we can choke out her amplification.
Father Draven 🫙$50/100 🏳⚧♿👩👧👦 (@willowdraven.bsky.social):
Is there some sort of legal structure preventing them from booting bigots who represent bigoted organizations?
Can't they just throw a line in the terms of service that say "we reserve the right to remove users that we feel don't represent our values" or something?
Ms. Penny Oaken (@skywitches.net):
In a sense, yes. The User Agreement & Acceptable Use Policies constitute a contract, inviting "everyone" to use the service as long as they don't use it for a specific class of activities. If site mods exercise arbitrary agency outside the AUP — potential liabilities arise.
Ms. Penny Oaken (@skywitches.net):
In the USA, there's civil case law that affects what kind of agency a paid T&S / site moderation operative can exercise without opening doors to other liabilities.
Volunteer blocklist maintainers, much less so.
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AGTMADCAT 🇵🇸🥥🌴 (@agtmadcat.bsky.social):
The first amendment provides a clear freedom of association, so if we all know a person is a bigot, the site can throw them out.
Ms. Penny Oaken (@skywitches.net):
And that is the crux. What signifiers do "we all know".
Mike Draco ex Machina (@digitaldraco.bsky.social):
Offline, you are free to kick someone out of a place for behaviors they enacted elsewhere.
It's bizarre to me that people think this does not apply online somehow.
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Ms. Penny Oaken (@skywitches.net):
Oh, I absolutely believe/know she's a bigot, and if I had my way, she'd shout into the void.
Showing a corporation that XYZ organisation is inescapably a hate group, stop allowing their registered agent to use the service, involves levels of documentation, journ*lism, govt inquiry & statements.
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Father Draven 🫙$50/100 🏳⚧♿👩👧👦 (@willowdraven.bsky.social):
I think this is the fundamental problem that people are having. Requiring this ridiculous level of documentation is a choice that is being made by these corporations. It's a choice that's being made by Bluesky.
They can choose to operate differently.
To be ethical actors, they must.
Father Draven 🫙$50/100 🏳⚧♿👩👧👦 (@willowdraven.bsky.social):
To require mountains of labor from marginalized groups to remove organizations and their agents who are ideologically committed to their destruction is to side with those organizations and make your own a tool towards the achievement of their aims.
Ms. Penny Oaken (@skywitches.net):
I agree. I don't think BlueSky requires a great deal of labour, merely a threshold of knowledge vs rumour & a reliance on "on-platform behaviour" as the primary driver for prioritising enforcement.
This site thankfully isn't 2015-era Reddit for T&S; in fact it's better than 2022 Twitter.
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Phil McDuff (@mcduff.bsky.social):
This is the kind of thing that liberals and free speech "absolutists" always say, and it's important to recognise that it's based on absolutely nothing. It is a fantasy of what they think should happen, not observed experience of what actually happens.
Ms. Penny Oaken (@skywitches.net):
The "free speech absolutists" are, 99% of the time, bigots who want a guaranteed access to an audience.
Liberty Lobby in the '60's wanted guaranteed access to AM airwaves. Later groups wanted guaranteed access to TV. Creationists wanted access to kids in public schools. Captive audiences.
Ms. Penny Oaken (@skywitches.net):
It's such a central tenet of their operation that they cite it over and over in their core operation manuals, and work to undermine it wherever possible.
They don't want freedom of speech.
They want to tear down other people's freedom from association, and persuade them to forgo it.
Ms. Penny Oaken (@skywitches.net):
In politics, law, society, and social media T&S, one of the most powerful things someone can do is draw a boundary — doesn't matter why the boundary was drawn, just a firm "Do Not Contact Me Again".
If/When Party B violates that boundary, that's clear, and that's actionable.
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Invisible Pink Unicorn (yes that one) (@dirtynerdy.bsky.social):
Except in the case of the More Bubbles guy who has been creating hundreds of sock puppets for >6 months for the express purpose of harassing trans ppl and T&S (including Aaron here) wont address the core problem
Ms. Penny Oaken (@skywitches.net):
BlueSky has the same problem every other Open Registration site has: VPNs are ubiquitous, confirmation email accounts are ubiquitous, and so they have to rely - in the case of the "mre bbbl*s" type - on user reports of Behaviour on Platform, and blocks until they process the report.
Ms. Penny Oaken (@skywitches.net):
The reasons the "mr bbbls" type of boundary violator troll can come back are beyond the scope of operating the site.
The reasons they do come back is because people won't greyrock and block them.
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Mike Draco ex Machina (@digitaldraco.bsky.social):
Except when you block someone on socials and they make a new account to harass you over and over and moderation shrugs their shoulders at it – which has happened to me more than once on both reddit and Twitter.
Ms. Penny Oaken (@skywitches.net):
On Reddit, if you use www.reddit.com/report?reaso... and cite the prior usernames / examples of sitewide ban evasion and/or block evasion, they'll usually handle it. If they don't handle it first pass, modmail the ticket close URL to /r/reddit.com for review.
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phyphor (@phyphor.one-dash.org):
Ideally it would get booted, but that's not necessarily what happens
Ms. Penny Oaken (@skywitches.net):
I have seen "hedge row" grade intolerance get labels on here, and (I hope!) a warning gets issued to the person platforming it. Some people do stupid things, make mistakes, and deserve a second chance.
There are other considerations, too.
Ms. Penny Oaken (@skywitches.net):
Sometimes T&S are collecting backend data / mapping out a network, to throw them all off the site at once without dedicating a fulltime employee to kicking them one by one 24/7.
Ms. Penny Oaken (@skywitches.net):
Sometimes the slapfights are indistinguishable from consensual shouting matches / kink sessions. It's unfair to ask paid employees to sit and figure out whether an incident is a lover's quarrel, or a lover's "quarrel", etc.
At some line you have to say "this interaction is consensual"
Ms. Penny Oaken (@skywitches.net):
Blocking - personal blocks & block listings - exist to fill that.
If someone argues with someone else they purport to be a Nazi, instead of blocking and reporting - the supposition is that at some level, Party A wanted/needed the interaction.
Ms. Penny Oaken (@skywitches.net):
From an economic, behavioural standpoint - some people want to fight Nazis. Or transphobes. Or "debate" anthropogenic climate change, chemtrails, etc.
They solicit an interaction.
I used to be that kind of person.
Then the Nazis told me to my face that that kind of person is their favourite.
Ms. Penny Oaken (@skywitches.net):
I read the literature they produced for private "how to", and the literature written by academics.
Now I am in camp "Block and Report".
They consider a brick wall the worst possible outcome of their attempts to initiate.
Studies show it is.
So that's what they deserve.
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I hope you had chatgpt pen that one fam
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Karl (sad trombone noise enthusiast) (@brainnotonyet.bsky.social):
So wait some of the people named are streaming right now trying to downplay the allegations in the doj allegations. I have a feeling a whole lot of attorneys are screaming
The Wall Street Journal PR Team (@wsjpr.bsky.social):
As a PR team, but not their PR team, we would just like to ask: what the frick are you doing putting that text and your face in the same shot ONLINE?!???
Karl (sad trombone noise enthusiast) (@brainnotonyet.bsky.social):
You always ask the hard hitting questions Wall Street Journal Pr Team.
Ms. Penny Oaken (@skywitches.net):
Meme gold
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Bub 🏳️🌈 (@bubotomy.bsky.social):
The town of Alma, Colorado has an altitude of 10500 feet/3200 meters, the highest of any town in the US.
Ms. Penny Oaken (@skywitches.net):
The city of New York has the highest attitude of any city in the US
I'm walkin' heyah
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Katie Tightkitty (@juicysteak117.gay):
now watching a tipped request for a weird al movie. i didn't even know he was an actor tbh
Guinea (@guineaprince.bsky.social):
@alyankovic.bsky.social 👀
Katie Tightkitty (@juicysteak117.gay):
oh god don't tag him that's embarrassing
Ms. Penny Oaken (@skywitches.net):
Kill the part of you that cringes. Embrace fannishness
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Ms. Penny Oaken (@skywitches.net):
Shilling for gold certificates is which ring of heck?
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Katie Tightkitty (@juicysteak117.gay):
now watching a tipped request for a weird al movie. i didn't even know he was an actor tbh
Sage 🏳️⚧️ (@trans.bsky.social):
heck yeah have fun it's a disaster
Sage 🏳️⚧️ (@trans.bsky.social):
in case Weird Al somehow reads this, i meant that as a compliment
craplord (they/them) 🏳️⚧️ (@craplord.bsky.social):
my opinion of weird al is as follows:
i fricking love weird al
if you play a weird al song around me i will become enraged
Ms. Penny Oaken (@skywitches.net):
Does the enrage give you ten seconds of frenzy when you reach 0 or fewer HP
Ms. Penny Oaken (@skywitches.net):
Weird Al, Best Bard for your Berserker Barbarian
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Ms. Penny Oaken (@skywitches.net):
So, are there any Pim Tool / Lauren Southern / etc experts out there with a ballpark estimate of how many times total, and with what frequency, the RT Pinnocchios invoked George Soros as a "left wing discourse financier" —?
Ms. Penny Oaken (@skywitches.net):
Just curious
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Ms. Penny Oaken (@skywitches.net):
Chaos is a ladder
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I am certain you do not wish to argue that several years ago you assaulted me at Tanglewood Forest. Several of your fellow company members have chased me and thwapped me with Amtgard -legal boffer weapons on Company Road while I was making announcements on behalf of Kingdom Officers.
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