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EFFORTPOST The 5 Worst Vice-Presidential picks in US History

Hiii besties~ :marseywave2:

I'm the guy that made the effortposts on the 2024 race and debates! With talk about Biden dropping out, Vice-President talk has skyrocketed. How will Harris do? Who will she pick as her running mate? Wouldn't it be hilarious if Hillary Clinton lived to watch someone else be the first female president? :marseyrope:

With all this Vice-President talk around, I've been thinking about vice-presidents. The office, described by first Vice-President John Adams as "the most insignificant office ever devised", only really matters in helping people get elected. Be it a moderate to offset a radical :marseyyawn:, a figure from another region:marseybountyhunter: , or just a guy with a lot of money who can pay for campaign stuff:marseygangster:, actually being the Vice-President is a distant second to being involved in the campaign. So what about the radicals that derailed the ticket? The unbalanced region tickets? Or just the brokies? Here's a ranking of the shittest running mates in history!

PREAMBLE

1. Vice-Presidents were originally whoever came second in the election, before the two party system established itself. 1804 would be the first time Presidents and Vice-Presidents were elected on the same ticket, so I'm counting Vice-Presidents that ran from 1804 to 2024.

2. In the words of our current Vice-President, "you think you fell out of a coconut tree? You exist in the context of all in which you live and what came before you." Source. Before roughly 1908, Presidents never "ran" for office. They "stood" for office, and their supporters campaigned for them. To actually campaign yourself, as Whig Winfield Scott in 1852 or Democrat William Jennings Bryan in 1896 and 1900 did, was unseemly at best and outright embarrassing at worst. So you have to cut them some slack back in the olden days.

5. Tim Kaine (Democrat) 2016

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The Hillary Campaign is studied today as one of the worst campaigns of all time :marseyhillary:. Complacency was it's biggest sin, as she campaigned in safe states to win more votes rather than bother to defend the Blue Wall - which would ultimately cost her the election. Nothing showcases this complacency more then her selection of Tim Kaine, Virginian Senator, as her running mate. Tim added absolutely nothing to ticket.

On paper, this shouldn't be the case. On most Democrat tickets, the Southern Moderate is a perfect Democrat counter balance to the Urban Liberal. But Hillary was already a Southern Moderate! She had basically selected herself! That wouldn't in itself have been so bad, but Hillary wasn't universally popular. She had a long, drawn out primary battle against the far-left Bernie Sanders. Can you imagine, if Bernie :marseysanders: had won in 2016, if he picked a white man who was far left instead of literally any woman? There would be bloody murder. Rather than show any kind of basic respect to her opponent, she picked herself again, except less well-known.

Kaine is only number 5 because there was nothing wrong with him. He didn't actually do anything wrong - he was just the wrong man at the wrong time. The only reason he was chosen was because of Hillary's backroom dealing - in any sane convention, she would have picked a more committed liberal to keep Berniebros happy. The arrogance, to assume that the leftists would fall back in line and vote for her anyway, is what would doom her efforts against the deeply unpopular political outsider. Kaine isn't the cause of the loss, merely the symptom.

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4. Francis Preston Blair Jr. (Democrat) 1868

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From a modern Southern Democrat to a old school Southern Democrat. The first presidential election since the end of the American civil war, the Democrats were left reeling. A majority of Democrats had supported the Confederacy :marseysouthernbelle1:, and with the South under military rule, this left the Democrats crippled as they prepared to run against the victorious in war Republicans. They would nominate Horatio Seymour of New York, a Northern Urban Democrat that had stayed loyalish during the Civil War.

Similar to Kaine, Blair is on paper an amazing choice. How can you call the Democrats traitors when Blair, a Union General, was on the ticket? Ehh, ehhh? Certainly, he seemed amazing. He flew through the nomination, and campaigned on Seymour's behalf (as was the style out of time).

They ran an insanely racist campaign - the official slogan was "This is a White Man's country, let the White Man rule." Seymour would win the West by threatening that Republican's dedication to equality meant they would grant civil rights to the chinese, he defended the Klu Klux Klan as just a social club, and fiercely opposed the idea of black people voting. :marseykkk:

Francis Blair still managed to be too racist.

Blair ranted furiously that beloved war hero Ulysses Grant would transform the nation into a military dictatorship because he was obsessed with black people. The republicans were, in his eyes, a "semi-barbarous race of blacks who are worshipers of fetishes and poligamists" that wanted to "subject the white women to their unbridled lust." That's right, Chuds have always been obsessed with :marseyblackcock:. Seymour would be forced to break tradition and campaign to try and mitigate what Blair was spouting - he didn't think all black people were male feminists or evil, he just thought they were inferior!

The ticket was destroyed, for a lot of reasons, Blair being cited as a key reason. He made white supremacy a dirty word - for shame! What makes Blair so bad is that he managed to turn one of the ticket's strengths, being racist, into a weakness. Seymour had tapped into something very powerful, and he knew it. He represented a party of literal actual traitors, but still pulled off 47% of the popular vote. Could they have won? With so many Southern states under reconstruction, no. But they could have done far better - Blair disgraced this key strength.

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3. Curtis LeMay (American Independence) 1968

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A hundred years on from the days of "White Man's Country" and it had been thanks to Texas Democrat Lyndon Johnson the Civil Rights Act of 1964 signed :blacklivesmatter:. The Democrats began the shift, very firmly, to the Urban North, while the Republicans continued their final shift to the Rural South. During this wacky period, the "Dixiecrats" found themselves adrift. Some, like William Fulbright of Arkansas, just complained while being forced to stick with the party. Others, like Strom Thurmond, joined the Republican party. But as far as Alabama Governor George Wallace was concerned, there was no difference between the parties.

George Wallace ran third party with the goal of winning enough states to prevent Humphrey or Nixon from getting 270 Electoral Votes, to force the election to the House and work with Nixon to repeal the Civil Rights Act. To do this, Wallace collected a series of single issue voters - he wanted to escalate the Vietnam war, supported worker's unions (like Humphrey) while opposing welfare (like Nixon), and was of course a massive :marseyracist:

His running mate, Curtis "Bombs Away" LeMay, was a pretty cunning choice. LeMay, a self-declared war criminal, didn't have a record of racism but was utterly blood thirsty enough to appeal right wing nutjobs while legitimising the ticket as more than a racist riot, at least a little. So why was he bad?

Well, during the press conference announcing LeMay being on ticket, LeMay talked about how much he loved nuclear weapons, musing that America had a phobia of Nuclear Weapons. George Wallace jumps in to say that LeMay hadn't promised to use nukes, he just discussed them. LeMay would then say he could see himself nuking Vietnam. Seriously, just minutes after Wallace jumped in. It was like a fricking sitcom. :marseymacarthur:

The response to this press conference was immediate. George Wallace went from polling 20% down to fricking 14% - a position Wallace would never recover from, winning an admittedly still impressive 13.5% of the popular vote, and narrowly failing in his goal of a deadlock. The lesson from LeMay is pretty esoteric but I think we can perhaps agree that talking about how cool nukes are generally backfires because the American people are cowards.

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2. Geraldine Ferraro (Democrat) 1984

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Walter Mondale had an uphill battle. Firstly, he was running against Ronald Reagan :marseystars:, the economy was booming :marseystocksup: and there was generally peace in the world :marseywhiteflag:. So he decided to think out of the box - he picked a woman with Jewish heritage, the first ever woman or ethnic Jew on a presidential ticket. It was a pretty good idea to supercharge women voters - shame it just flopped massively. 20% of women thought she was good for ticket, so she was already a pretty awful choice.

She did manage to turn some heads however, as the press investigated her scumbag husband! Tony Zaccaro, her husband, had ties to the mafia, the porn industry and cheated on his taxes, being investigated during the campaign by the police and ultimately pleading guilty to fraud in 1985 :marseymugshot:. These connections turned a failed gambit into an outright detriment, solidly slotting Ferraro as one of the worst candidates of all time.

Not everything is complicated!

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Honourable mention

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Not Sarah Palin. I'm a Sarah Palin shooter. She was a fricking r-slur :marseygigaretard: make no mistake - but unlike Ferraro, she successfully supercharged female voters (until the fact she was an r-slur became common knowledge) and helped convince conservatives that didn't trust the moderate Komrade McShame that he would be suitably conservative. The polling tells the story - McCain went from 3% behind Obama to 5% ahead of him. Palin should have been kept on a tighter leash, but Bush was in the White House when the Recession hit. McCain was going to be slaughtered no matter what.

Dan Qauyle (Republican) 1988 and 1992

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Herbert Walker Bush was in the same boat as McCain. Conservatives didn't entirely trust Bush, with him facing primary challenges from the far right in both his elections. There was some reason to mistrust him, as he had ran as a moderate against Reagan in 1980 and had a generally moderate voting record when he was a representative, nearly being forced out when he voted for a civil rights bill. Qauyle :marseygigaretard: was a solid conservative culture warrior that helped Bush keep this base loyal - he was also a fricking idiot that couldn't even spell potato. While not awful, he created a lot of noise when there were a lot of better options that would have kept the base loyal. Like the 1996 ticket, Bob Dole and Jack Kemp, who were both free at the time!

Qauylee committede noe grande crimee, bute hee createdede ane imagee ofe uttere stupiditye thate cloudede thee campaigne ine ae mannere thate wase utterlye avoidablee.

Fricking POTATOE!

The worst running mate of all time, Thomas Eagleton (Democrat) 1972

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How can you be worse than arrogance :marseyreapcrying:, turning strength to weakness, blab about nuclear weapons :marseynukegoggles: or having ties to criminal pornographers? You can be such an awful running mate, you get fired from the ticket during the campaign! While Blair was de-facto fired, sent to rant about how Darwin proves White Supremacy in Missouri, no other running mate was such an active detriment they had to leave.

When McGovern won the primary as 1970s Bernie Sanders, except more radical in some areas, he found himself deeply unpopular. Thomas Eagleton was his 5th choice for running mate, after Ted Kennedy, Hubert Humphrey, Edmund Muskie and Abe Ribicoff turned him down. He spoke to Thomas Eagleton and asked him if he had any skeletons in closet, and Eagleton said no. Being a Catholic moderate, it was hoped that he could trigger some nostalgia for Kennedy while being blandly inoffensive. That was what they wanted - him to no negatively impact the campaign. He would fail this - the Nixon campaign researched him, and found out he had a skeleton in the closest.

Eagleton had clinical depression, and had actually spent time in a mental asylum getting electro-shock therapy to treat it. This was immediately leaked to the press, and McGovern faced pressure to drop Eagleton. He declared that he stood behind Eagleton 1000% - then dropped him a few days later.

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McGovern not doing a basic background check, insisting he was going to stand by Eagleton then dropping him - the whole affair was utterly idiotic. While McGovern ran a generally incompetent campaign, the shadow of the fact he had to fire his own planned vice-president loomed over everything he said and did. His selection was so grossly incompetent, did so much damage to the ticket, there is literally no point of comparison. Kaine didn't make any mistakes. Blair and LeMay were war heroes. Even Ferraro was a gamble that Mondale needed to make, just with a different woman. Eagleton was a moderate from a state McGovern couldn't have won to begin with. A bad idea executed horendously, there can be no comparison for sheer r-sluration.

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Thanks for reading Rdrama! Can you think of any running mates worse? No you can't so keep yourself safe for even thinking of disagreeing with me. Top 5 best running mates coming when I can be assed! :marsey:

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Get in cute twink, we're going to nuke the Reds.

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In his defense nukes ARE really fricking cool, purely from a "most powerfully destructive technology humans have ever developed" standpoint. Leveling an entire city, heck, half of a state with one single bomb launched from the other side of the world? Yeah, it's a fun concept to think about. Actually talking about using them in a serious context? Not a great idea. Similar to guns, just much larger in scale.

Plus, the only thing female voters hate more than pale stale males is anything with the word "nuclear" attached to it.


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But he also wasnt fan of smaller and easier to use nukes. To him nukes should be doomsday weapons rather then another tool in box.

He didnt like XB-70 Valkyrie beocuse it would lower the bar to use nukes.

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If you can't kill 10 million russkies or gooks with one bomb what's the point?

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Yea I agree. Cluster bombs are much more effective

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I really wish i was born early enough to witness nuke tests while goombling in Las Vegas :marseybottom: !slots100

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While the US has not tested one since 1992, it has avoided joining any of the complete test ban treaties. It could still happen!


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"but I think we can perhaps agree that talking about how cool nukes are generally backfires because the American people are cowards."

Yanks are born kitties with Weak souls

Also @Aevann and !effortposters

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At least we didn't give up ours.

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Well US played huge role why they don't have nukes today

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Your country should've kept theirs

:#marseynukegoggles:

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Holy frick I love historical shit like this. !effortposters in in in

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democrats being too racist for 1868 is hilarious.

also i miss a time when a guy not being able to spell potato was so scandalous it could tank an entire campaign.

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People weren't really all that racist in 1868, at least not in the North which was most of the states allowed to vote. That's more of an early 20th century thing.

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Same with California. Check out the 1849 state-of-the-State address by California's first governor: https://governors.library.ca.gov/addresses/01-Burnett.html

Our Constitution has wisely prohibited Slavery with the State; so that the people of California are once and for ever free from this great social and political evil. But the Constitution has made no provision in reference to the settlement of free people of color within our limits, but has left the Legislature to adopt such legislation upon this delicate and important subject as may be deemed most essential to the happiness of our people. The Constitution excludes this class of persons from the right of suffrage, and from all offices of honor or profit under the State.

For some years past I have given this subject my most candid and serious attention, and I most cheerfully lay before you the result of my own reflections. There is, in my opinion, but one of two consistent courses to take in reference to this class of population, – either to admit them to the full and fee enjoyment of all the privileges guaranteed by the Constitution to others, or exclude them from the State. If we permit them to settle in our State, under existing circumstances, we consign them, by our own institutions, and the usages of own society, to a subordinate and degraded position, which is in itself but a species of slavery. They would be placed in a situation where they would have no efficient motives for moral or intellectual improvement, but must remain in our midst, sensible of their degradation, unhappy themselves, enemies to the institutions and the society whose usages, have placed them there, and for ever fit teachers in all the schools of ignorance, vice, and idleness.

Our position upon the Pacific, our commercial and mineral attractions, would bring swarms of this population to our shores. Already we have almost every variety of human race among us; a heterogeneous mass of human beings, of every language, and of every hue. That period is rapidly approaching, when the natural increase of population in the States East of the Rocky Mountains will render Slave labor of little or no value, and when investments in that species of property will cease to be remunerative. If measures are not early taken by this State, Slaves will be manumitted in the Slave States, and contracts made with them to labor as hireling for a given number of years, and they will be brought to California, in great numbers. Our State is now in a position to take an efficient stand upon this subject. A few years' delay will make it almost, if not quite, impossible to do that which can be so easy accomplished now. If California will take a decided stand now, and firmly maintain it, a few years' experience will demonstrate the practical utility of the measure. That weak and sickly sympathy – that misplaced mercy – that would hesitate to adopt a salutary measure to-day, but would suffer all the inevitable consequences of to-morrow, may consider the policy I propose as harsh in its character; but if it is calculated to produce the greatest good to the greatest number, it is the best humanity.

It could be no favor, and no kindness, to permit that class of population to settle in the State under such humiliating conditions, although they might think otherwise; while it would be a most serious injury to us. We have certainly the right to prevent any class of population from settling in our State, that we deem injurious to our society. Had they been born here, and had acquired rights in consequence, I should not recommend any measures to expel them. They are not now here, – except a few in comparison with the numbers that would be here, – and the object is to keep them out. I, therefore, call your most serious attention to this subject, believing it to be one of the first importance.

And indeed there were basically zero black people in California until World War 2 shipyard jobs brought them here: https://goldenstatswarrior.substack.com/p/the-great-migration-of-african-americans

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(to be clear I am in favor of people being able to live anywhere they want and think racists are fricking dumb at best)

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It's pretty easy to not be racist as long as you never meet the people ever. Although for some reason Russians are really terrified of black people.

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well that's just not true :xd:

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It's a lot like immigration today. The North loves saying how much they love it, but they don't really deal with. Ohio was made exempt from black suffrage!

The civil rights movement also lost steam when it went from the Jim Crow to thinks like integrated schooling and housing.

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I'm pretty sure Tina Fey single handedly buried McCains chances because of her Palin inpressions

Also Tiny Fey is hot and I'd still suck those milkers

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Yeah I thought Palin would have made the list but she probably wasn't as bad as most of these.

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that anti-mondale poster is better looking than equivalent memes today :#marseyitsover:

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It was a simpler time

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I like peanuts too

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I think Palin should have been Presifent

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good meme Mr. Quayle

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This is a stupendous effortpost!

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I haven't read it, but they're saying it's really good!

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:#marseyme: Based Real Time enjoyer

I like to get my medical advice from club comedians

Neighbor wasn't holding back alright :#marseygossipsmug:

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Contrasted with our greatest VP of all time, my man Richard Mentor Johnson...

1. Spent half his term back here running his bar.

2. Coined the phrase "The Vice-Presidency isn't worth a warm bucket of piss." To which that kitty Truman changed to spit.

3. When his second slave wife cheated on him, he sold her butt down river.

4. Took the credit for killing Tecumseh (probably didn't), then when he ran, used it for what has been called the worst campaign slogan in history before - "Rumpsy, dumpsy, Johnson killed Tecum-seh!" (though I do like Tecumseh, but things had to be done)

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Why isn't Sarah Palin on this list?


Read what I wrote above. Now picture in your head that I put a /s at the end. Good job sweaty! :marseygigaretard:

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Ngl I almost fell for it

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Curtis LeMay was kinda hot though ngl :hump:

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Latinx Lesbians Against Racism 😎

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Chud humor is clearly just a part of them

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Chud is humour. That's the literal definition of the term Chud.

Just like "Liberal Scum Bag" is literally an old slang term for Condom. Look it up.

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it's biggest sin, as she campaigned in safe states to win more votes rather than bother to defend the Blue Wall - which would ultimately cost her the election. Nothing showcases this complacency more then her selection of Tim Kaine, Virginian Senator, as her running mate. Tim added absolutely nothing to ticket.

You lost a lot of credibility with this one lol, not only because of the campaign stop myth, but the idea tim was a bad pick.

The clinton campaign wanted a safe, non-controversial vp pick and tim meets that perfectly as a religious white man from the south.

The campaign didnt need an explosive vp pick, and was probably right.

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If the campaign was probably right Mr. Shill, why did they lose?

I'm not saying they needed to dig up George McGovern, but showing any respect to the Bernie wing would have been better. It would have shown a self-awareness her campaign generally lacked,,

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Clinton likely would have won without the letter from the FBI and the population being literally r-slurred.

No respect for berntards. Courting r-slurs is why the GOP is unhinged right now.

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Clinton likely would have won without the letter from the FBI

Yeah and Trump would be winning (by more) if he wasn't a felon. So what? Clinton shouldn't have fricked up.

Biden courted "berntards", his work to heal the divide is a key reason why he won in 2020. Key states like Georgia, Arizona and Wisconsin were decided by less than 1% - you don't win by telling what is according to the primaries 43% of your base to frick off.

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Because you can do everything right and still lose. And also it's Hillary Clinton, the problem with that ticket was not Tim Kaine

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I don't recall saying Tim Kaine was why Hilldawg lost. As it happens, I said the opposite - he was a symptom, not the sickness itself.

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YO SOY TIM KAINE

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Making Roosevelt VP was a pretty funny backfire against the Republicans.


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This is well written. It's always good to be reminded white chuds never change :dasrite:.

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You know, the black women of the world don't do the second amendment for seven hunnert'n double-you years, this guy's tryna take away the abortion doctors from right field, and Babe Ruth ain't having none'o that.

!dementia

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This reminds me of Cracked articles while they were still good. Thanks for posting!

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Hey mods I didn't realise there was an actual history hole, can this be moved to /h/erstory?

Thanks :)

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Just type the hole in the reports

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This is great. Keep it up!


Don't forget to turn off signatures in settings!

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Sorry but I can't take this seriously if Kamala didn't make the top five.

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She was a really good pick! Biden had personal rapport with Bernie Sanders, the men actually like each other a lot, so he didn't need to worry about keep him happy. Harris was the first black woman on a ticket, which would get liberals excited, but her past as a DA with moderate politics would keep moderates engaged.

She was uncharismatic yes, so she's not making the best 5 running mates list, but she was a pretty inspired choice.

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She was a really good pick

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How was she bad r-slur

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Biden's VP had a high chance of replacing him. Biden knew this. Everyone knew this. Biden should have chosen someone of presidential material themselves. Instead, he picked the uncharismatic, unpopular Hillary clone because it was 2020 and he wanted a Black Woman of Color :marseynails:

The upshot was that, before the debate, the Democratic elites backed the senile, demented Biden because Kamala was even less popular. Even after the debate, many still back Biden because Kamala is still less popular. Americans saw Biden unable to form full sentences and still hate Kamala more

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1. Biden did not know this. He's been extremely stubborn and is refusing to drop out.

2. Even in that case, it doesn't change the fact she was a good running mate that complimented Biden well

3. Kamala's approval rating is roughly at Trump's level, and that's when she's best known for not running the border. Given an actual campaign, and she beats Trump pretty comfortably.

4. Kamala is self-aware. Unlike Biden or Trump, Harris has proven herself to be aware when there's problems and willing to take steps to address this

Since you're a wingcuck, I'll be very clear - Harris isn't a good candidate. Her "strengths" are very basic competence and not being an outright criminal. She sucks massively, and were the Republicans anyone but Trump she would lose. But her circumstances emerged to make her, despite her lack of good qualities, a very good choice to make.

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Biden did not know this. He's been extremely stubborn and is refusing to drop out.

Even so, the reason the other Democrats stuck with him was that they saw Kamala as even worse, until the debate

Even in that case, it doesn't change the fact she was a good running mate that complimented Biden well

Debatable. Biden lost Black voters compared to 2016, so Kamala didn't seem to win the Black community

Given an actual campaign, and she beats Trump pretty comfortably.

Sure, that's like a likely possibility, especially if she leans into Copmala, but she's starting from a hole that many other VP's wouldn't be in

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Debatable. Biden lost Black voters compared to 2016, so Kamala didn't seem to win the Black community

...by 1%, while improving on the performance with woman and white voters. Losing 1% of Black voters for 5% of White voters is a very solid situation to be in! I won't sit here and tell you she's a superstar, but she served her purpose well in 2020.

Sure, that's like a likely possibility, especially if she leans into Copmala, but she's starting from a hole that many other VP's wouldn't be in

But how can you be sure Brandon gets into office without her? Is there another candidate that's a black woman that had previously fought Biden so he could bury the hatchet and unite the Democratic base? There was a lot to her that made her a good candidate (without her actually doing anything once selected)

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Biden did not know this. He's been extremely stubborn and is refusing to drop out.

Neighbor he doesn't even know where he is.

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Fun fact: this isn't true

He's suffering from cognitive decline, but he's r-slurred and refusing to drop out because he's just like that. He doesn't have have dementia, that's obvious if you know anything about dementia.

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Black trans lives matter

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John Edwards was a near miss for Kerry.

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I had Edwards considered for the top 5 best, since this was before cheating on your wife dying of cancergate broke out. The Kerry Campaign in general was ran brilliantly.

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Tim Kaine is a p-dophile

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:marseym#anysuchcases:

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is he really or does he just really look like it?

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Both

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"Politicians are the same all over. They promise to build a bridge even where there is no river."

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couldn't even spell potato:

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I wonder if Trump's VP pick will be worse than any of these guys. It would be very funny if you went through all this trouble to make this list and then he picked dog murder lady or something equally insane.

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Tim Kaine in top but not Teddy Roosevelt, Sarah Palin, or Kamala Harris is insane. Teddy Roosevelt, from the perspective of the people who picked him for VP is far and away the worst VP pick of all time. He's the reason people take the role seriously

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Teddy Roosevelt

Was a great Vice-President. He was an deeply popular ribbon cutter - his actions as President have no bearing on his ranking as a Vice-President

Sarah Palin

I mention her! She was a good pick!

Kamala Harris

Also a good pick! She was a black lady so libbers liked her, but she was a DA so moderates liked her. The fact she had no charisma didn't really matter, because she wasn't the ticket head.

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Teddy was picked to neuter his wing, and because of that pick, they took over the whole party (and sunk its chances even after he left it). It would be like picking Donald Trump as Bush's VP and then Bush dies in office. Total frickup

And Kamala's a frickup because VP is supposed to build up that member of the party and groom them for the presidency. Kamala was a dead end and now they're going to lose 2024 because of her. Literally anyone else as VP and they get another 4 years.

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Again, this is ranking as vice-presidents. The only job a vice-president has is to get the ticket head elected. The wider politics are irrelevant to the ranking.

they're going to lose 2024 because of her

I am firmly convinced Kamala Harris would destroy Trump. Like Reagan levels of destruction - Kopmala against the felon Trump. If the Dems lose, it's because Biden was too stubborn to resign

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