EFFORTPOST The State of the Race! Who's winning? What's the issues?

Reading Rdrama, it's become pretty clear that this dump is a rightoid circlejerk that's blind to what's actually happening in America, and I want to just spread the knowledge :marseybow:.

The first thing to handle: Am I biased? No - I'm a European (:marseybong:) that's neurodivergentally into American Presidential Politics, especially the Cold War era (Franklin Roosevelt to H.W Bush), and I'd wager I know more about every era then most Americans here. Not saying that to brag, it's just autism.

So the next thing to handle - the state of the race. Which Dementia Daddy is winning? It started of with Trump fricking destroying Slumbering Joseph, who has been facing declining approval ratings ever since the fall of Kabul (:marseysigh: America hates to see an anti-war president). This is despite the fact that America does not like Trump. This is simply a fact, Americans have never liked Trump. He didn't win the popular vote against Hillary Clinton, herself massively unpopular, or Joe Biden.

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Let's compare starting approvals. Gallup gives W. Bush :marseybush: 57% approval at the start of his term, which skyrockets to 91% by 9/11 and ends at 28% when he leaves office. Obama :marseyobama: starts with 68%, getting a lowest approval rating of 42%. Even Sleepy Joe :marseybiden2: started with 55%. Donald Trump :marseyhitler:? He started with 45% approval. That would peak at 49%, and would average at 41%. Please, I implore you to forget that you're a rightoid and accept a basic fact - Trump is not personally liked by Americans. They think he's a loudmouth butthole who's attitude is unfit for office, and during his term 59% of the public didn't like him. So, a Sleepy Joe sweep, right?

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Biden started popular enough. He was basically an Obama third term, and Obama was massively popular. He was very old, the pic above is a newspaper reporting Nixon being re-elected while Biden unseats an incumbent, which was a concern, but people generally liked him.

That would change fairly swiftly. Inflation from the Covid spending :marseyballoon2:, under Trump lmao, caught up with America and inflation became rampant. Joe Biden had been elected on a promise of being a boring cracker who could let people forget about politics for a while, an elder statesman who would handle everything. He was already being blamed for the economy, but then there was the pull-out. Despite it being awesome, America finally stops wasting money on that shithole, Americans were horrified by the images it produced. His approval ratings sank like a rock and disapproval ratings soared. :marseystocksdown:

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The "Joe Biden is too old to lead" stuff went from a Republican talking point to basically accepted fact. The public was promised a boring statesman they could forget about it, and they're seeing global chaos and inflation - which has gotten back to decent rates, but since the only way prices will go down is through a recession, no one thinks it has. I mean yeah you have dipshit shooters like Will Stancil, but that's about it. So, Drumpf sweep right?

Yes and no. Despite Biden's massive unpopularity, the Red Wave promised for 2022 was barely a red drizzle - the Trump Republicans were so massively unpopular, the Democrats managed to narrowly expand a Senate majority, unseated 3 incumbent governors and Republicans only got 9 seats from the 435 seats up for election in 2022. The public hated Joe Biden, but the Democrats weren't unpopular. However, that doesn't change the fact that Joe Biden is unpopular.

Turns out deplatforming works, hooray! With Trump, he became less of a man and more of an idea. Yeah, Trump was an butthole - but prices were low and the world was at peace. (Incidentally, ask anyone who thinks this how exactly Trump will do this again and watch them not answer you.) America has always loved it's Dirty Harrys and Dr. Houses - take no shit buttholes who get results. Trump, away from the spotlight and with Biden viewed with contempt, was poised to crush Biden. That was until;

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Some rightoids have tried to spin this, arguing the public doesn't care that Trump paid hush money to his mistress. They're on the right line of thinking, but they're overestimating the public's knowledge. They don't know what Trump did, and they don't care. Trump went from butthole they don't like to Convicted Criminal(tm) - a massive step up. They have faith in the institutions, they think whatever the verdict is, it's fair, and while they could hold their nose to vote for the butthole that made prices low, they can't do it for a Convicted Criminal(tm).

Biden's popularity hasn't change. They still think he's a senile idiot that shouldn't be in office - but he's not a Convicted Criminal(tm). For contrast, NeoCon-Nikki Haley has pulled anything from 4% to 13% over Joe Biden. While the highest results were obvious bullshit, the pattern is there. If Biden didn't have to run against Trump, he would get his butt paddled.

So, two massively unpopular old men are running against each other. One is a criminal nobody has ever liked, the other is a senile r-slur. Who wins?

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Frick knows mate. Trump leads in some key swing states, like Arizona and Michigan, but his sheer unpopularity following the conviction has led to these being narrow leads. Worse still, the Biden Campaign has about $100 million more then the Trump Campaign, so some targeted ads could ruin Trump. If I had to goomble, and I do :marseygambling:, I would put money on Biden winning. The warchest advantage will be the difference maker, but I wouldn't be surprised if Trump won.

Personally, I'm rooting for Biden winning while losing the popular vote :marseypipe:. I think the Rightoid outrage after 2016 would be funny.

Thanks for reading my longpost :marseyshy3: I promise there's no agenda :marseyblush:

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I wish I could vote for both :marseycry:

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You can! By spoiling your vote.


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just steal someone's identity and vote illegally a second time? :marseyconfused:

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I don't believe for a second that his conviction is going to matter. Everyone knows that the guy is a criminal, even his supporters. Everyone who possibly would be turned off by that has been turned off by many things before. They know what they're getting in Trump. For his supporters he's a better martyr than Jesus. For a lot of swing voters, he's a lunatic butthole but they're willing to accept that if they think Biden is worse. Nobody was thinking "maybe Trump is actually a good guy" and then he gets convicted and that changes their mind.

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I actually think very few trump voters even like him at all or think he's a good president. He's just a giant middle finger to the Democrats and the absurd US media, that's it.

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Say what you will about Michael Moore (fat) but he knocked it out of the park 7 years ago:

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Wasn't Michael Moore a die-hard leftoid? Rare that type to say anything nice about other team

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He's to the left of stalin but has a decent grasp of the everyday people mindset.

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Blue collar Midwestern populist

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oic ty bb

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There is no depth to which I will not sink for a chance to inconvenience progressives

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WE'RE GOING BACK ON THE PILE!

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I spent all of my life hating the dude. Then the media was like “he called Mexicans male feminists!” Which was a lie, and I've spent my whole life hating the media more than trump. And then it turned out that trump was actually funnny and I was wrong for hating him. And if they put him in prison, I might vote for the first time in my life, cause that would be hilarious

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Then explain the data.

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People knew Trump was a corrupt butthole, but you're underestimating what the term "Convicted Criminal" does to the mind of a normie.

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tbh I normally get my election odds from https://electionbettingodds.com/

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I just don't think it really matters.

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Drumph's line is orange

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>haley line is pink :marseypass2:

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Books change odds as bets come in to encourage action on both sides. :marseytrump: has tons more supporters willing to waste their money showing they support him, and so the massive amount of money they've placed on him winning has caused the line to shift massively, making it seem like Trump is incredibly likely to win.

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Yeah, that's the main drawback of using betting odds. I would argue it's really less of the book changing odds in this case though - generally these companies sell "contracts" that resolve to money if a given condition is true. So like based off this you can buy a contract that pays $1 if Trump wins for $0.54. But you're really buying it from other clients who are selling them, they run a double-sided book.

At some level there's going to be fanatics who want to throw away money but the markets for the presidential election are fairly large and I'd assume that the clients are more interested in making money than they are in showing support.

You made me click through their FAQ though. They claim that it's accurate, and link to this page as proof: https://electionbettingodds.com/TrackRecord.html But unfortunately for them, that page resolves to a 404 lmao.

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At some level there's going to be fanatics who want to throw away money but the markets for the presidential election

Trump fans have somehow given DJT, a company with <$10 million in revenue, a $6 billion valuation. Just saying.

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You're not wrong but nikola was at some point valued at $30B with $0 revenue.

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if you've found an actual market inefficiency you would be dumb to not exploit it. are you betting on biden?

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Books change odds as bets come in to encourage action on both sides.

That's only partially true. Books keep track of their most successful bettors and are willing to shade their odds to be on the same side as their most successful customers. In other words, they'll take a risk of lopsided action if the side with the most money coming in is from dumb gamblers.

Biden is listed at bovada at +165. That means that it's a great bet if Biden has more than a 37.7% chance of winning. Money hungry people are looking at this and aren't taking it. We're talking gigantic betting syndicates that have hundreds of analysists and that risk millions of dollars a day don't care for these odds.

Also, Trumps gambling odds gave him a very low chance of winning in 2016 or 2020. History does not suggest that people like betting on him.

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Bovada is not a sharp book and you'd be mistaken in assuming gigantic betting syndicates are consistently allowed to take large positions there.

t. Bet-limited and eventually banned from bovada for winning too consistently

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BetOnline is a sharp book that famously welcomes sharp bettors. You can get +130 there with an implied probability of 43.5%. https://i.rdrama.net/images/1719379059871544.webp

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Watch rightoids pretend statistics aren't real when it's not 1352 or 41 !grillers :#marseylaugh:

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!math !ifrickinglovescience we cannot tolerate this statistics slander

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If I wasn't a STEMcel stat would probably be the most important math I ever took

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Plus it's 1350, just like the stripes and stars

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I'm ridin with biden

Edit: unless anyone has a better idea to defeat the MAGA right :marseysadge:

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:#marseyfedmassshooter:

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who's that :marseypikachu2: ?

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use it on yourself

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Is that a single polling source? I prefer 538 :marseynatesilver: (they were the closest in 2016, everyone else called Hilldawg way earlier) but IDK if it's even still Silver :marseynatesilverfox: still?

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-general/2024/national/

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Nate Silver left in 2023 (he has a Substack). 538 hired Nate's rival lmao

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The fact that I'm going to read that article and enjoy it is further proof I'll never get laid in the future

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:#turtoiserofl:

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@USA_Polling

What the frick is that? At least throw in some data from Gallop of Pew.

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I used to think drunpf was up to something, but clearly he's squeaky clean. Obunga literally had the feds tapping candidate trumps phones in 2016-2017. They were completely spying on him, and ended up having to make up all those Russia conspiracies just to ham string his term. Why would they have to do the hush money case and all the rest of the k1kery, if he were guilty of all sorts of crimes?

That said, I wouldn't be even slightly surprised if this were all theatre. And trumps a p-do trafficking turbo criminal like all the establishment people are.

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Faith in institutions is a distinctly European trait that only exists in America insofar as the institution is ran by whichever party the person being asked prefers.

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Meh its the Coca-Cola vs pepsi problem. If brand awareness were lower i would agree the conviction would make a difference but everyone has already picked a side. Now what matters is how likely they are to go out and vote.

The conviction pissed off Republicans. Thats motivation. I dont see anything quite the same on the other side. Biden refuses to really put his foot down on either side for gaza pissing off both sides in the process. Ive heard hard core democrats say that they wont vote biden.

!followers :marseywave2:

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How do you explain Biden's major lead after Trump was convicted?

Gaza is mostly irrelevant, it's only really affecting Michigan since that has a higher amount of Muslims. It's real affect is feeding into the idea that Biden is incompetent, since it's another major war dominating headlines after Biden promised to be forgettable and vanilla.

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Because polls arent real.

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The only time polls were inaccurate were in 2020, cuz of covid - and they were right Biden would win. The 2016 polls were perfectly accurate, they predicted that Clinton was more popular but lagging in the blue wall.

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I work for the dnc. This round is push polling to help sway public opinion. We try to tighten up to actuals closer to the race

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yeah for whatever reason people like voting for the winner, regardless of politics

people see someone up in polls and go "oh i should vote for that person"

literal :marseynpcsheep:

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There's no proof that's true. People could just as easily say "my candidate has a massive lead, so there's no need for me to show up"

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That's only if they're way ahead.

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There's no proof that's true

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The GOP do the same lol, that's why I posted an average poll that complies them.

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!r-slurs this one right here.

My point is nothing is real at this point

fake shit + fake shit = more fake shit

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My neighbor, every campaign for city council or podunk county tax assessor uses VAN. That inbox just means some campaign staffer who didn't want to draw the door knocking maps gave you access to the box of crayons.

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:marseymisinformation: worked for winning an argument on the internet

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How do you explain Biden's major lead after Trump was convicted?

I thought he only got a slight bump

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3% is pretty major when it comes to national politics

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Won't make up for everyone seeing DDD sundown on live TV during the debatea. Plus the economy is transitioning from inflation to a recession due to fed rate increase and quantitative tightening.

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You're assuming Trump will do well in the debates, and that Biden is actually senile. When the chips are down, Biden can talk - remember the State of the Union, or that press conference he gave when that report said he was actually senile? He's pulled it out of the hat.

By contrast, with the exception of the Republican Primary debates, Trump has always had his momentum halted by debates. It goes back to people just not liking him! The public thinks he's insufferable!

I think the debates will be a Biden win, honestly. And going by the way rightoid media personalities have been pushing "Biden will be on drugs during the debates!!!", they think so as well. But we could all be wrong, Biden is really old after all.

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The people who won't vote Biden bc of Gaza weren't going to vote anyway :marseyshrug:

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Disagree. This person was so fricking anti trump it was a problem in our relationship. Rabid shit.

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I'm a European that's neurodivergentally into American Presidential Politics

Hey, looks like I don't need to read anymore of this drivel. Euros that follow American politics are the biggest cucks.


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if following american politics makes me better at understanding your drama, and your events are extremely dramatic, then call me neurodivergent all u want :marseyindignant:

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Okay, stay r-slurred. You're like the average voter I described.

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But I am a voter. Wtf are you, aside from a US peepee rider?


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A US peepeerider, you just said. I find it interesting.

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lol it's not that we pulled out of Afghanistan which was bad, it was the way we pulled out. We more or less got routed and left tens of millions of military assets behind for literally no reason.

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Not really though. I swear to god people have no idea what actually happened during the evacuation.

The pull-out was already over months before the collapse of the government and the evacuation of Kabul. All that remained were (probably) spooks and the diplomatic posts, at best some miniscule training personnell. That was also kind of the issue, there was no base from which to evac, so they had to move into Kabul airport and fogure it out on the fly.

There was not much equipment left behind, it is all shit that had been given to the ANA years before.

The pull out of Afghanistan was in good order (except abandoning Bagram(?) Without telling allies or the afghan government lol). The chaotic evacuation was a completely seperate operation, it was about pulling out diplomatic staff and people like terps that would have been killed by the taliban for supporting the intl forces. But that has nothing to do with the 20 years in the sandbox, its a semi-regular occurence when a country descends into anarchy. Same thing was done last year in Sudan, it just didnt make headlines.

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NPR hands typed this

Surprised you left out that joe biden created more jobs than trump and obama combined

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Re-opening a completely shut-down decency is not “making jobs”

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I love that graph, it's so funny. I wish politicians were more blatantly hacky.

Anyway, I don't care about the race as anything other something to study. I think Trump could be better for NATO, which does affect me, but otherwise I'm just spitting fax :marseygucci:

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Nowhere in your analysis do you mention biden is literally senile so I don't think your analysis is very fair

Or right, since its been obvious for a few months its game over in Trump's favor

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He does tho

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Have you considered that as a typical american i literally cant read?

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If Biden was senile, his followers could push him into being less r-slurred about Israel. Biden isn't senile, he's just old and r-slurred.

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his followers could push him into being less r-slurred about Israel.

his followers handlers are r-slurred about Israel, that's why they're pushing him in that direction.

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>implying they have actual beliefs

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they have wants

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>Joe isnt senile, hes just senile

You should have said that if he was, he would be more casually racist, and you would actually have a point.

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You know the word "senile" means something right? It's not just being old.

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" but then there was the pull-out. "

What were you referring to, the the Afghanistan retreat?

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Aye! The Kabul stuff.

I don't bring up Israel because it's the same thing. Most Americans don't care either way about the conflict, they just see chaos in the middle east and blame Biden

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Honestly nothing else Biden :marseyliberty: says can make me vote for him based :marseytransmisiaaward: on how he pulled out of there. He ensured my father's war would :marseywood: forever :marseymoidmoment: mean nothing. Now the taliban :marseymuslimwereback: runs the show

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Because it would have been so meaningful if America wasted more time, money and men in that shithole because 20 years ago George Bush was an r-slur :marseyeyeroll:

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We needed to leave, yes. We didn't need to leave :marseypeaceout: in a manner that ensured the enemy :marseyzeldabokoblin: we fought for 20 years gain control :marseyshadow: of the entire the country, millions of dollars :marseycoin: of equipment, the lives :marseykneel: of our soldiers, and the lives :marseykneel: of allies.

Everything about that pull out could've been done less atrociously. the president :marseytrump: is the military :marseydayan: leader :marseyputin: of the U.S. before :marseyskellington: anything :marseycoleporter: else, and he is completely worthless on that front :marseyviewerstare:

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Who cares lole? Only the lives of the soldiers matter. Why does it matter to you want Turkina or whatever in some shithole does?

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>who cares

Obviously me. An American, who is voting.

Likely other people with military :marseysalutetrans: family. Which is many, many Americans.

>Only the lives :marseykneel: of the soldiers :marseyarmy: matter.

We lost the lives :marseykneel: of soldiers :marseydoingmypart: from that shitty pullout.

>Why does it matter

This is beyond :marseynietzscheretard: r-slurred. We fought a 20 year war to fight :marseygladiator: the taliban. Kinda a big fricking :marseytom: deal they are in control :marseyshadow: of a nation now.

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Oh no, not the Taliban running Islamabad. Oh no. That's awful. I'm heartbroken that a shithole is led by a dictator. That's the worst thing ever.

Soldiers die, they were gonna die if they stayed. That's the only bad part of the pullout.

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That's the only bad part of the pullout.

:#marseyxd:

!r-slurs come get your boy

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They have faith in the institutions, they think whatever the verdict is, it's fair, and while they could hold their nose to vote for the butthole that made prices low, they can't do it for a Convicted Criminal(tm).

My mother is/was bothered by Trump character and has told me she is voting for him in a swing state. People care about the morality of their politicians...until groceries go up 30% and then they care a lot less. The actual policy to reduce inflation matters less when the incumbent party tries to say the economy is Good Actually (plenty of people on here do this current- it's moot) and ends up taking credit for whatever is in people's head.

I also think you're over estimating the faith in institutions people have. Both sides of the aisle have repeatedly called into question the authority of legal institutions in the last four years, the leftoids do it all the time when a dindu gets shot.

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Ah fair enough, "my mom said it so actually the data is wrong."

Your mom is a voter, one of 160 million plus.

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You weren't quoting data bruv you were extrapolating peoples opinions on voting by gut feeling.

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So why did Biden randomly spike after the convictions? Did prices go down or something?

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I don't know maybe you should talk to your European friends.

I can believe that Biden has a lead in the election but he should have a slam dunk. The fact that polls are showing him having 2% lead after his opponent was convicted of felonies is a massive L for the democrats.

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Yes that was the point of the write-up, both candidates are very weak. Congrats on figuring out the obvious.

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