[Some of my ancestors came from the Netherlands and kept in touch with the old country over following generations. This is a letter one of my people wrote to tell our family here what happened to them back there during WW2. I've tried to keep everything exactly except for the paragraphs but this was typed up, put in a pdf, and typed up again by me so it might have some errors. And I redacted a few things because yes, I am afraid that someone someday could be autistic enough to try to dox me through this. !historychads ]
[a village near Utrecht]
7, August '45
[Note: This is the day after Hiroshima, two days before Nagasaki.]
Dear Cousin,
Knowing you've always been interested in your Dutch family and haven't heard much news since the war started, I thought it is a good job for me to tell you something of the happenings in that time, of the family and of Holland in general. I know that you read Dutch as well as English, as my father told me, but as it's a good exercise for myself, I take the liberty to write in English. Which you will forgive, I hope. But first I want to present myself: I'm the son of your cousin, [redacted], (my name is [redacted], age 26) [redacted some more family members]
No doubt he was wearing these as he wrote.
I'll only tell you about the children of my Aunt [redacted]. The son, [redacted], was a government civil engineer in the Dutch East Indies and he was called up by the army when the situation in the Far East grew tight. He was married and had one little child. Since the Japs overran the Indies, we never had a word from him, so we don't even know if he is still alive. His sister, [redacted], [?] was a teacher but as that isn't very well paid over here, she quit and got a better job in an office. But after the liberation she left there, too, in order to get the job of leading some underfed children to England [?], an enviable job as no one can get out of the country so far as it is at the moment. She will leave very soon, with impossible orders of every member of the family to buy bicycle tires, fountain pens, and I don't know what not, as there is nothing for sale in this country.
Tijdeng concentration camp, Java. About 17,000 of the 100,000 interned Dutch civilians died in the camps.
Now I'll try to give you a short survey of what happened to Holland and to ourselves up to now. Perhaps, when you'll have read it through, you'll think that our hatred against the "Nazis" is a bit exaggerated, but I'll tell you, you've got to live through a German occupation to know what it is like. So I hope you'll take it at face value, and I've got to add that I ddin't see very much yet of their low doings, but more than enough to have learned what hate is. Well here I go:
Controversial opinion.
As you know the Germans came in May 1940, when they started their big drive towards the Channel and France, by means of fifth columnists and other traitors, merciless bombardments of Rotterdam and their overpowering numbers of troops, material, etc.
Kraut paratroopers landing in The Hague, May 10, 1940. This force was overrun by the Dutch, losing almost 2000 captured who were quickly sent to Britain.
Bombing of Rotterdam, May 14.
They started immediately to take our immense foodstocks away; cars, trucks, ship, in short everything they could lay their dirty paws on. They suppressed every political activity, except of the treacherous Dutch national-socialists, who got all the important jobs. The only thing they did to try to win our sympathy was releasing the prisoners of war. But that didn't last very long because notwithstanding their elaborate preparations for the in invasion of England, they couldn't get there after they lost the Battle of Britain and gradually with the first R.A.F. raids the underground activity sprang up, giving England information about ship consentrations, etc. by way of secret transmitters.
Portable radio of the kind dropped by the British SOE to Allied resistance in occupied Europe.
Then they regretted to have released the prisoners and so they planned to take at least the professional officers back to Germany again, considering them the most dangerous. To give you an example of their treacherous methods I'll tell you how they did it. They gave a proclamation to the newspapers ordering the professional officers to register in a certain place, all in one day, promising their safe return home. They even got return tickets paid. But on coming there they were taken into custody and a day later were brought to Germany to a Prisoner of War camp. This had the wrong effect, of course, and secret activity doubled, in which I had my little share. But it wasn't very well organized yet and lots of the workers were captured and some of them shot. Of my group for instance, only two escaped detection, another guy and myself. Sheer luck of course; the others were all brought to Germany, some of them shot. So the situation grew worse, hostages shot, Germans shot, vigorous reprisals again etc.
Hendrik Seyffardt, traitor who commanded the Dutch SS. Shot and killed at his front door in The Hague, Feb 5, 1943.
One time 72 people shot in one day. But time went on and the Gerries came to know they couldn't take Russia. America joined the Allies and they feared an invasion in the West. So they started their construction of the Atland wall which had grave results in our home town, The Hague, being the biggest town on the coast.
Kraut occupiers in The Hague.
Twenty-five per cent of the town fell in the fortification area. Two thousand houses were broken down to make a wide corridor through the Hague strengthened by a concrete wall and a big sand ditch. Big fortifications were made in the dunes, in parks, etc. About twenty per cent of the inhabitants had to be evacuated. As father is a pensioned schoolteacher, my parents had to go too. They came to this village, [redacted village near Utrecht], but had to leave furniture and everything in the Hague, all heaped up in one room. Luckily, we knew the people who came into our house so nothing was stolen, as often happened to less lucky people. This happened in December of '42. My brother and I stayed in The Hague to continue our study, engineering. At the time I had nearly finished it, but I didn't want to pass the last exam, as there was a big danger of being sent to Germany. My brother, [redacted], who is 21 now, wanted to go to Delft's Technical high school, but couldn't as the Germans demanded 6 months "labor services" of new students and that was something he didn't want to do. So he went to another school, but afterwards he had to do the labor service nevertheless. But because of his change of address they couldn't fine [find?] him, though they thoroughly tried. But nobody knew where he was of course. He was lucky and never got caught and is going to start in Delft this autumn, having done nothing at all for the Huns. I was less lucky. The students had to sign a loyalty declaration to the Germans which of course I didn't do. But something was going to happen and we knew it. I had secured 5 addresses of people at whose houses I could hide, so I was pretty sure to pull through. But then the students who hadn't signed that declaration were called up for forced labour in Germany, the parents were held responsible for their going. And then all 5 addresses let me down, couldn't risk it, they said, penalties were too heavy. Well, I tell you I was a bit downhearted and really didn't know where to go. And as the biggest part of my friends had the same experience we had the stupidity to go! Knowing we had nothing better to do. Regretted it immediately, of course but too late. So we went to Berlin on the 6th of May '43.
A 14-year old Ukranian slave repairing motors in a German workshop, 1945.
That summer I tried to fine [find?] my way to Sweden [?], but didn't succeed. Then the winter came and the big bombardment of Berlin started, rather unpleasant I assure you. Came through unscathed, though we had several casualties at the factory. In spring I got a chance to go back to Holland on false papers, but two weeks before it was my turn (we were placed on a list) the Gestapo got wind of it and the whole organization was blown up. Then the invasion came and I thaught I'd have to stay to the end. But in August I got another chance and this time it came off. I spent 20 hours lying under the floor of a railway carriage and got to Amsterdam without being seen. The underground movement, better organized this time helped me get false papers and I was free again as far as possible at the time.
Literally this guy.
Meanwhile the situation hadn't altered very much, only grown gradually worse. But the worst was still to come. In September the Allied parachute landing at Arnhem came and in Holland the railways striked to hamper the German supply route. But they couldn't get across the Rhine and that meant that northern and western Holland had still some months to wait. But then the real looting started.
Allied paratroopers landing in the Netherlands, Sep 17, 1944.
British tanks meet the gigachads of the 101st Airborne Div.
Liberation of Eindhoven, Sep 18, 1944.
In Arnhem, where the civilians had to go away because of the fighting, several German cities got a part of the city where they were allowed to take what they could. And they did. Long columns of trucks went to and fro taking everything away you can think of. No civilian could enter the city until everything was gone. And in the months between September and May of this year they took everything they could to Germany: machines, tools, locomotives, trains, ships, cars, trucks, carts, horses, cows, and other cattle, literally everything, from the wire for electric trains to sewing machines, from our last food to blankets and clothes. Everybody had to give a blanket, a set of underwear, a pair of socks, a blanket, a coast etc. and after years without textiles [?] distribution. And if you didn't bring it to them they searched your house and took it and some more. All bicycles weere ordered up and so on. And then they stopped all food transport to the west as a revenge for the railway strike. People lived on sugerbeets and tulip bulbs. Daily you saw people falling down in the streets from sheer starvation, thousands were starved to death. Every man from 17 to 40 was called up for labour in Germany. They held big searches for men in the big cities. Tens of thousand had to walk to Germany, half starved as they were. And so I could go on and on, but I would bore you probably. It was really unbelievable when at last the end came that you were free to go where you wanted and the hated Germans really had got it in the neck. The food situation was soon cleared by the Allies. Big American and British bombers dropped millions of kilos of the best food when the roads weren't free yet. People were crying in the streets for sheer job. They did a wonderful job bringing us all that. Now every ration has gone up. Only meat is still scarce (an ounce a day) and fat isn't high enough yet. But we're very content.
A British bomber dropping food over the Netherlands.
And now the situation is still chaotic of course. The coal problem is the greatest of all. This winter we had nothing of course, no light, no gas, nothing to cook on. So all trees and even bushes have gone. Parks don't exist anymore. Empty houses were absolutely broken down for the wood only. Practically all factories can't work. No coal or no machines. It'll really last sometime before everything will be all right again. I think Europe is done and out for the first five or ten years and I hope to get away as soon as possible. Only I shall have to finish my study, which will take me about a year, I think.
Boom.
The Pacific war'll be over soon, I hope, after the invention of the "atomic bomb". It is really astonishing the quantity and quality America has been producing. Practically all the war material in the west is American--fantastic. We really owe the Americans a lot. But has this been the last war? I have my doubts. Or will the atom bomb be so terrible that war will be impossible. Doubtful too. What'll be the end, complete destruction or everlasting peace? It looks like an easy choice, but who knows? Well, I hope, I ddin't bore you too much with my story. Father will tell you about the family so I will end this rather long letter, hoping you'll receive it in good health. Send my respectful greetings to your wife, daughter, and brothers.
Your unknown cousin, [redacted]
PS The old house Bezuidenhout [redacted number, maybe a street] was heavily damaged by an Allied raid, when they mistook one part of the town for another. This error destroyed another ten per cent of the Hague. It was rather a pity, as it happened just before the end (3 March) of the war. But that's fate, nothing doing.
The neighborhood after this raid.
Japan is going to quit. There'll be peace on earth in a few days at last. Let's hope mankind has enough of war for a long, long time.
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The more I read about WWII and especially about "concentration camps" or really internment camps such as Tijdeng, the more I come to understand the true horror of WWII was simply that for the first time ever, Europeans were subjected to the dehumanising, horrific treatment common to the subjugated losers of warfare from non-Europeans. Upon winning the war, Europeans immediately set out on a campaign of ensuring that these acts, which they had for centuries afflicted on non-Europeans, were perceived as especially brutal and unjustifiable in the historical record whilst whitewashing any similar acts they committed. The dozens of holocausts committed in Africa and Asia were banished to the dustbins of history whilst the plight of the Jews literally formed the conception of a specific form of genocide. !nonchuds !historychads
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Similar? Wikipedia says 70-85 million people died during those 5 years. That's not counting injuries, however permanent.
What's similar to that?
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MUH COLONIALISM DID LE BAD AND THATS WHY BLACK PEOPLE ARE OBESE
Jewish lives matter loljk
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transition_from_Ming_to_Qing
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taiping_Rebellion
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dungan_Revolt_(1862%E2%80%931877)
Not as bad, but China has had a bunch of events that killed millions.
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But that's Chinese killing Chinese. If anything, it's a good thing because it makes them happier.
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!soyteens
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Warra big own, maybe I would have been born and still be living in my country if whities hadn't spent the entire 19th and 20th centuries extracting the wealth out of my homeland and then quickly abandoning it into a disorganised, ripe for corruption and conflict mess. As of current circumstances, I and my countless brethren, are citizens now and it is much easier for us to frick your women and destabilise the West from the inside.
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I don't mean to be rude but there is no fricking way that Europeans extracted more wealth out of Somalia than they spent there. Just the cost of ww2 alone probably was more.
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They got access to all the ports of the longest coastline in Africa + access to the Suez canal but thankfully all our oil is in the sea and not the desert so they thought the interior was useless.
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Maybe we're saying the same thing in different ways. Somalia and most colonies in general weren't profitable in themselves. Their purpose was to protect access to those few colonies that really were extremely profitable. Like most of the British Empire only existed to keep access to India and keep potential enemies away from India. The British part of Somalia is a perfect example. It's one of a string of colonies along that route: Gibraltar, Malta, Egypt, Somalia, Yemen.
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This topic made me go on a random WWII Wikipedia search and the scale of the war was so mindbogglingly huge, it amazes me that countries were able to even organise the battles. Like, I just saw a picture of British troops from Somalia trekking their way through the Chindwin river in fricking Myanmar. Just imagine the logistics needed to conscript thousands of Somalis and have them fight in Burma of all places, wtf
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The Burma campaign is especially crazy that way. The British brought in Indians but also guys from all over Africa in the hope that they would have better resistance to tropical diseases. A huge number of black American engineers were sent there to build the Ledo Road. The Chinese came in across the mountains from Yunnan. There must be dozens of countries that sent substantial numbers of troops there.
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How is this putting Somalia today in a bad state? Did the europeans steal all your coast so you have none left?
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The fricking Suez canal is fricking in Egypt you moran
The fricking canal tolls is fricking how Capy funds this webzone, motherlover!
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Yeah but it's useless if you can't get through the Strait of Bab el-Mendeb at the other end of the Red Sea. I think that's what he was referring to.
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AND, b-word? That's part of the fricking ocean. Nobody was fricking using it before the fricking British invented boats.
Edit: Actually, now that I think about it, how strategically important was the fricking red sea before the fricking Suez, b-word? Like I guess you could still have done tranport over that isthmus, yeah, b-word?
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das true
kil yt
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Five head chocoskeleton Somali men don't frick anyone's women, at least at consensually.
I hear Somali women give it up hard for the American BBC tho. The upper class ones like ilhan Omar date whitey
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Seethe harder mayo monkey, I've fricked at least 6 white women consensually and far more non-consensually.
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Brainlet take. Early modern warfare in Europe was also brutal in terms of civilian deaths or even more so than any African colonial conflict, see the Thirty-Years-War or if you want something against whites, the Second Boer War. Massacre of jews was also common, you had stuff like pogroms in eastern europe during late 19th and early 20th century.
What distinguished the Holocaust from other genocides was how systematic compared to the old pogroms which were just sporadic and deorganized killings, plus the use of new technologies, first the Einsetzgruppe and getthofication, then killing centres processing thousands per day.
!historychads
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This is exactly what I'm talking about, Slavic Jews being murdered in bum frick Eastern Europe = nobody gives a frick. Wealthy European Jews being murdered in Germany and France = the greatest historical tragedy ever. Also mentioning early modern European conflicts like the Thirty Day War has zero relevance, my point was how Europeans couldn't help but mald when they first got massacred by non-Europeans in the 20th century.
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Most jews killed in the Holocaust were Eastern Europeans, half of the Holocaust victims were Polish jews, in comparison only 30% of French jews were killed and the "wealthy German jews" had already left. And the tsarist pogroms did caused a lot of fuss in Britain and the US whose governments condemned said pogroms, people did care for them.
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I mean the non Europeans have been massacring each other for long before that, going all the way back to genghis khan
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He's talking about Japs and the Pacific theatre
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He mentions the Holocaust at the end saying it's remembered while African genocides are forgotten. The scale is not comparable and the death toll of the Belgian Congo for instance is still a subject of debate.
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Whatever the fricking official numbers, multiply them by ten.
The fricking Belgians are a fricking perfidious lot.
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But they have both Loena and Nina Pinzarrone. That's pretty darn impressive per capita.
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The Belgians didn't rule the Congo, it was king Leopolds private state. Once they took over they were actually very humane
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STFU BELGOID
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Hm @GabrielMartinelli if you want to specifically mention the mass civilian and POW killings carried out by the Japanese in WW2 please use the proper term of "horocausto"
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the belgian congo thing is 100% pop-history fabrication. germans did a real genocide in namibia though.
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Well, WWI, but yeah.
Read To End All Wars it's about how mad the British aristocrats were that someone had the temerity to take the Tommy gun they invented for killing hordes of darkies in the colonies and turn it against whitey.
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To End All Wars is a peacenik jewish journo's editorializing of WW1 into his soapbox on conflict and hierarchy. He's also the queermo that exaggerated/fabricated the stories about Belgian rule in the Congo into anuddah shoah prequel.
Attrition by William Philpott and Strachan's The First World War volumes are more sober, written by men that actually understand the dynamics of war, and more free of the skew that Hochschild's hippy lenses color his book with. !historychads
Frickin hate hippies
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You feed one lousy generation into a trench warfare meat grinder and those darn hippies will never let you hear the end of it.
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We got great poetry and literature out of it
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But Saki got killed in it. Not worth it.
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Refused a commission and enlisted too. Another one of history's noble souls stolen from the Empire and humanity by the hands of Hun dogs.
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@Aevann chud found in the wild spreading anti-semitism. Please do the sneedful.
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Always wondered why they kept throwing hordes of men at each other to push the line a few hundred yards or so. Seemed really dumb.
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I think they explain this well in the movie 1917 when the general explains that he's not some heartless r-slur who doesn't care about casualties. He wanted to attack because he really believed that this time they finally had a chance to win and end the war. In most of those battles there was some reason why they believed they had a new tactic or a new weapon or enough preparation that this time they could break through.
The secret that they didn't figure out until the last year of the war is that they actually should be only trying to advance a few hundred yards at a time. In the final offensive that won the war they stopped trying to make one big breakthrough. They just kept slowing pushing back the bosches all over the front for 100 days straight.
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Yeah, but after they do that several times during the first year or so, don't you think they'd update?
I mean, it's weird for them to constantly believe they're on the verge of victory because of yet another new weapon.
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They weren't just doing the same thing over and over. They kept coming out with new innovations that they hoped would be decisive: poison gas, tanks, new artillery and infantry tactics. And everyone kept thinking for fairly good reasons that if they just had enough artillery shells they could win. So they kept making more and more and building up bigger and bigger stockpiles before attacking. They just kept being amazed at how much you could shoot without it being decisive. By the end of the war they had vastly more and bigger artillery than at the start but it still wasn't ever enough.
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You're making the exact argument the Japanese war criminals made
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The Japs were cocky bastards who avoided the worst parts of colonialism and therefore envisioned that they were superior to all non-Europeans and deserved an international colonial empire of their own. The Dutch were short-sighted bastards who colonised and oppressed Asian nations thousands of kilometres away from them and got sandwich-fricked both home and abroad by empires that were stronger than them. The day I show a sliver of sympathy to the Dutch is the day I choke and die. The only real winners of WWII were the Americans and by lesser proxy, the British, who refashioned geopolitics and future perceptions of the conflict to their advantage.
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Yeah I know what you mean. A guy going over there to build oil wells deserved to be imprisoned and probably killed because not everything in life was completely fair for everyone.
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Be more specific Redactorbro, I like you. What guy went over there to build oil wells? If it was a Dutch guy going over to build oil wells in sunny Indonesia, well, it is a tragedy the Japs caught him but then again, I'm unsure of how much sympathy I can extend to an extension of a colonial state apparatus designed to siphon Indonesian oil from Indonesian hands over to Dutch consumers. If you find my viewpoint lacking in empathy. consider how much sympathy you really have towards British colonialists killed during the Revolutionary War. I'd prefer a more contemporary example but America is fairly unique in being sheltered from colonialism or foreign meddling post-18th century.
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I actually have a lot but maybe that's just because I'm afraid some of them might have been my ancestors.
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The Indonesians had like 1800 years to dig up the oil themselves, use it or lose it
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!chuds
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I thought it was very thought-provoking and sincere.
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I think you're a BIPOC
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!jannies this here chud is downplaying the holocaust!
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Trvke. Well not really but I get your point. The "empire came home" does feature a lot in post-WW1 media. Less so in WW2 but same as well.
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!eurochads new white guilt just dropped
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Critical failure on your roll vs. Lore (@GabrielMartinelli).
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What? The holocaust was the first time in history there was state sponsored industrialized killing on a massive scale. It is absolutely nothing like anything seen before or since.
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oh boo hoo they used TRAINS and HECKIN GAS to kill jews instead of BULLETS!
no the real reason the hall of cost is considered the worst event in herstory is not because "industrial kiwwing", but because HATEler made the mistake of killing the WRONG type of people (g-ds chosen people). Heck he killed 11 million people, yet 95% of the hate towards hitler is about the 6 million, cuz 5 million goycattles killed in the same way doesnt warrant attention (and it shouldnt because jewish lives matter, yt dont). kill yt
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!historychads don't chuds know about the Einsatzgruppen?
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For some reason this comic gave me a flashback to getting in trouble as a young chud in science class for putting a swastika on my coke and mentos rocket and calling it a V-2
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I do yt boi
Mah point is we only focus on the select jpoc killed in auschwitz and other concentration camps
Besides "einstein grouppen" isnt exactly something uniquely terrifying or "industrial"
Yea theres the gas cars but those were rare in comparison to mass cleansing of villages, which of itself is not unique
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Don't tempt me to use my hole janny powers against you.
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Amen brother
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No one cares about 3rdies
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学习雷锋好榜样忠于革命忠于党爱憎分明不忘本立场坚定斗志强立场坚定斗志强学习雷锋好榜样毛主席的教导记心上全心全意为人民共产主义品德多高尚共产主义品德多高尚
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Can't believe how fricking r-slurred your first sentence is and then it keeps going. Hang yourself
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Hello Gabriel, anti semitism in not okay especially when discussing history.
Have a nice day.
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