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Can you at least mention who this "gay dude from the 70s", the mastermind of the homosexual agenda of the classics, is supposed to be?

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_Homosexuality_(book)

That is where basically every modern idea of greek homosexuality co es from and is an incredibly flawed book. Though i was wrong about the author being gay.

Also yes Xenophon's Symposium is the same type of hypothetical work as plato's symposium

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The given excerpt is serious about something actually occurring in real life. Xenophon claims to have attended, it's a work partly apologetic of Socrates, why would he tarnish the legitimacy of such a work with an off-hand comment? What use would there even possibly come from making up such a story, when there were already stories of pederasty involving Thebes? So, it's still not something made up by a gay, or not gay dude, from the 1970s. You even have material evidence, which is rare for such a thing, which I alluded to with the picture- the Chaeronean grave. There is much more evidence for the view of its existence, and some kind of homosexual practice, than that it was somehow single-handedly made up by Plato, and his circle; certainly not by a dude from the 1970s.

You can criticise the work, but Dover did not originate the idea of the homosexual Sacred Band, and similar. Those are directly from classical texts. To say they're all somehow made up (even if we reject eg. the Sacred Band), is just conspiratorial.

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You have literally never heard of this shit until i just brought it up to you so how about you shut the frick up and stop pretending like you now what you are talking about?

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As a matter of fact, I had, but whatever. Otoh, you falsely claim that Dover is the originator of all these ideas, because you read it online- a ridiculous apologia I am also familiar with, as I have seen this claim enough times, in the form of low quality infographics shared to 'debunk' homosexual practice in ancient Greece.

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Well, again, this is not the first time I'm seeing this type of rhetoric, so I'm familiar with the claim, I'm familiar with the line of thought, etc. Although it wasn't nice of me to provoke you for your phrasing, it also wasn't nice that you're spreading a false narrative about a 'homosexual' spreading a 'homosexual agenda'.

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Jesus christ you are a cute twink

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:marseyshrug: I have tried to respond to every single one of your points in detail, while you dismissed my points, and you still don't admit that it's not true that it was made up by some gay agenda in the 1970s

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