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Official US Army height/weight requirements: Uncle Sam does not want you (Fats and Manlets)

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https://usarmybasic.com/army-physical-fitness/army-height-weight-standards

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They're hurting so bad for recruits they actual are taking fatties now, they just gotta go to fat camp before basic

https://dailycaller.com/2022/07/27/military-fat-camp-overweight-potential-recruits/

They're also doing the same thing for recruits who score below 30 on the ASVAB. I'm sure some burgers here have taken the ASVAB, 30 is clinically r-slurred.

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ASVAB 30 equates to an ACT 13-14, or an SAT 680.

I’m 25 lbs over my allowable weight for my height and have visible abs. It’s no wonder our military is going to shit, it’s full of r-slurred twinks

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Never took an act or sat, is that good?

Do you have a healthy BMI? If so you'd be fine.

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Those scores are atrocious. Low ranked colleges typically bottom out at like 15-16 on their requirements. I personally wouldn’t trust a person with that score to drive a car lol

BMI is 29.5 with around 15% body fat. I know BMI is more for general population so I just like seeing how high I can get it :marseybuff:

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Anyone bmi is an accurate measure for has never been to a gym.

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BMI is 29.5

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I read this between my pull ups and squat supersets. I will revisit at 30.5

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Those are bullet sponge scores though. Most of the technical guys I work with are 80+, or at least they say...

I scored a 58 a long time ago, I'm sure it's even lower now being I haven't had any formal education since high school. Good enough for radiomen and I turned out alright.

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They waiver you.

Although technically you are aibaility. Extra mass to feed without too much benefit.

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i know a couple guys who are drills or fitness instructors at a big butt army training center (you can probably guess) and they are apparently having a lot of trouble with stress fractures in these kids legs and hips because fat zoomers didnt develop their bones and just sat around all day growing up. also they say the foreign dudes trying to get citizenship are the best, we should just have an army of latinx and pacific islanders according to them.

also heard about a drill who got wrote up for telling a kid who fell out on a run to "pick up your tears and put them in your pocket" so really you cant even be a motivational fat camp chaperone let alone some full metal jacket actual abuse stuff.

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You can't even say that? Jeez, remember the good old days when they'd hit you and call you a fat stupid cute twink

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This is actually all true. Kids are coming into the Army extremely weak, and just straight up physically incompetent, They lack basic motor dexterity and physical coordination. They extended Infantry basic training from 17 to 22 weeks just to account for the additional time it would take to teach some of these kids how to use their bodies to do things because they've spent their lives sitting and laying.

It's also true that Drill Sergeants and NCOs in general are very cucked right now. When dealing with people who are problematic you are expected to deal with them in a very passive way - written counseling, extraordinary degrees of supervision, etc. 90% of the formation is great, honestly. But there's a saying that "10% of your people will consume 90% of your time." This is exacerbated when I can't just pin some 19 year old r-slur against the wall and scream at him for being late.

Discipline problems were getting so bad that the Army reversed course on "corrective training" a few years back. Previously doing things like making a guy do push-ups and flutter-kicks was banned - no physical corrections allowed anymore. Now you can make them do ten reps of an approved exercise. It's a step in the right direction, but still gay as frick.

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Wow, you must be a JP fan.

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Previously doing things like making a guy do push-ups and flutter-kicks was banned

WTF!!! That shit was considered taking it easy for us

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Combat arms don't give a frick - but I know from experience that if Joe goes and complains about it your butt will be fried.

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Some people you can be more aggressive towards because they don't see it as violence, but they're rare.

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The threat of getting smoked for three hours was the only thing that had me following any rules, and it took three or four times to sink in

e: actually I'm just better at getting away with it, maybe there's something here.

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>making a guy do push-ups and flutter-kicks was banned - no physical corrections allowed anymore

Thats crazy. When i was in high school and someone talked during a workout about anything not related to iso inverted lat muscle downs or whatever exercise our strength coach had invented that day he would haul the entire team down to the field and make us sprint up and log roll back down the field until at least one person puked. That was only 10 years ago. Can't believe the military has to take it easier on recruits than a low tier high school football team.

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Did you use Latinx unironically straggot?

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lurk more newfriend

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Yeah. The ASVAB is “NOT AN IQ TEST, lol that’s silly and those are problematic” but very oddly correlates extremely closely with IQ.

50 is the population average (averaged on all of those who took the exam) so anything below 30 is around 91-ish on the Stanford Binet IQ test.

https://randomcriticalanalysis.com/2015/06/18/on-sat-act-iq-and-other-psychometric-test-correlations/amp/

Anyway, it’s a terrible idea. Cat I recruits do better in literally everything, from not getting injured during training to infantry tasks—Turns out, not being an r-slur helps you win in physical combat, and not being a brainlet helps with things like remembering to change your socks or not getting cellulitis in the field.

It’s a terrible fricking idea, DoD should try to further incentivize military service for the top range of IQ scores, you’d think free college would have done that, but people are literally such kitties that 4 years in the Air Force fixing radios for free school is less attractive than the “oppressive student loans”.

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Kids don't wanna stop smoking weed.

Do 4 years, get entry level job that requires security clearence, work your way up the technical ladder.

For a while we were hiring dudes that didn't even know what SHF stood for as maintenance techs. Just have a clearence and convince us on the interview that you'll bust your butt and not be a HR liability. $100k+

Money ain't quite there anymore, but the jobs sure are for guys getting out. Still easy mode.

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I knew a Booze Allen dude. Former Marine O6 who did ops and intel, kept his TS-SCI, pulling 100k in military retirement, plus making like 175k.

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I was applied for a Booze Allen job a few years ago and they wanted a 5-10 minute video introductions sent to them.

Don't have your recruiter reach out to me and act all personal in their cold call, then I go through the BS of basically retyping my resume in your shitty HR software, then you ask for a video of me introducing myself.

I noped outta that. Hope they've changed their process.

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Oh lawd, lame. This dude definitely would have put up with that. He's the guy that when asked around the monthly staff meeting "would you like to tell us how you weekend was?" he just says "no." and stares for 5 seconds in silence and then finishes "but okay I will."

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Man is a hero sacrificing for the collective, from my perspective

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I mean at this point just make it legal already. Everyone in the military goes out and gets hammered every weekend, a bunch of them do Adderall, molly and coke because it flushes out of your system, and there was some mega-r-slurred story like 10 years ago about marins smoking spice and falling off their balconies and crashing their cars. Plus, everyone in the 60s and 70s was smoking fat doobies until they starting drug testing, and they used to have beer overseas for deployed troops. If dealing with a few "dude weed lmao" types is the cost of recruitment, just do it.

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Im about to quit weed and go all in on amphetamines. Hopefully my doc is down to bump my scrip :marseytedsimp:

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When I was in college our student health center caused a tsunami of seethe because they went from writing you scripts for benzos and Adderall at the drop of a hat to drug testing Adderall "patients" and declining to give them their refills if they were either smoking weed (everyone did) or didn't have a high enough amphetamine concentration (because the EntrepreneurChads were selling their scripts for like 5x the cost). It was unironically hilarious

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Tbh I didn't realize you could just do amphetamines. I'm sure those young potheads just have friends that won't earn six figures, they can learn.

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I’d tax weed heavily, making it a luxury item.

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It's already taxed heavily, people still buy it from dealers for the cheaper price. It's so easy to set up an extra legal operation, it's literally a plant.

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Legal and heavily taxed is the perfect spot for weed. Custies get scammed, crusties get to smoke without jail, and farmers get to stack paper under the table.

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mcnamaras morons round 2

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Solid reference.

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For anyone wondering about the reference, see Gwern’s take here:

https://www.gwern.net/reviews/McNamara

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And if you don't feel like reading that goddarn much:

tl;dr - in the Vietnam War they were starting to strain the ability of the US to produce field-able soldiers, so they reduced the requirements for draft. This had the completely obvious effect that you would imagine - mishaps, deaths, and reduced fighting capacity in units who received them. Contrary to popular belief, most people in the military are not actually stupid. They're very average. When you have an idiot in your ranks who can't keep up, it shows.

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Wow I'm so excited the government is giving me this great opportunity to serve my country even though I never graduated school and struggled at simple jobs. I wonder what I'll learn about over in the city of Vietnam!

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It’s cool that you linked to Random Critical Analysis. That’s a blast from the past. His posts completely changed the way I thought about healthcare. He was instrumental on my path to political discovery. I now support a completely different set of policies that I had done back when I had started college.

edit: Did you ever see the following linked post on healthcare? It opened my eyes to alternate solutions other than singlepayer system so touted among my generation.

https://old.reddit.com/r/TheMotte/comments/bavwa7/what_is_the_conservative_solution_to_health_care/ekeggm9/?sort=old

Here is Random Critical Analysis Healthcare post:

https://randomcriticalanalysis.com/why-conventional-wisdom-on-health-care-is-wrong-a-primer/

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I've been procrastinating on a post for more than two years now, basically based on https://heck.pl//szymon/Baen/1635%20The%20Eastern%20Front/Prescription%20for%20Chaos/1416591435__13.htm

In short, just like evolution doesn't aim to "improve" a species in any human-meaningful sense, the free market doesn't include a goal function either. If consumers prefer to purchase cheaper, higher quality goods, then the free market competition will result in producers producing such goods. If we accidentally make the cost not matter to the end consumer, via insurance for example, then the market will produce the priciest possible solutions that appear to be justified to insurance agents. People who are not even insurance agents, such as economists, bloggers, dramneurodivergents, have zero chance to understand what is unnecessarily blowing up the costs, so it's pointlessly to discuss on the object level.

My solution would be to abolish medical insurance (and government-backed student loans while we are at it) and have two parallel systems: a fully nationalized healthcare (yeah, sure, government-run healthcare is inefficient, but it is not nearly as inefficient as a free market healthcare being optimized for inefficiency) plus private healthcare, with insurance even, but no weird distortions. Both will provide checks on each other.

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I see your point. Please do link me that post when you finish writing it. Also that website you linked to seems interesting. It reminds of Venkatesh Rao’s RibbonFarm and also of another interesting writer with minimalist website UI who used to get linked to on /r/slatestarcodex back in 2018.

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Idk what it is, I only know that it hosts an archive of that old sci-fi author that apparently predicted and explained the Cost Disease back around 1965.

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@Hawkeye_2_Dope @TheGuntForRedCocktober @aqouta

I would be interested to hear your takes on either/both the Random Critical Analysis or TheMotte links above.

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@ElverGalarga @100percentdegenerate @BernieSanders

I also think you would have interesting thoughts about the above posts.

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I think it's a better idea than what's going on now, but nearly everything is. I'm pretty firmly on team "don't keep what amount to corpses alive at incredible expense" so I agree with much of the savings for eliminating that. I'm a little hesitant to separate the different areas of medicine, preventative care has some pretty obvious synergies with an insurance, you can still get those benefits without the providers being the same group but it's a little more iffy. Not sure how this relates to the broader post so it's hard to really give more targeted thoughts.

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Oh, it doesn’t. When I saw that RCA link, it reminded me about healthcare. I then remembered that interesting reddit post. So I impetuously thought of getting some new opinions on those policies and I believe that the linked users could have something to say on them.

Speaking of which, I used to follow your reddit account before it got banned by Chtorr in the rplace situation. You always had interesting things to say, especially on themotte and the theschism or about crypto. Do you have a new account there or anywhere else? If you don’t want to say publicly, could you DM me instead.

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I still post on themotte using a not so cleverly named alt referencing my exile. Although it's my third since the place thing rip /u/oqouto and /u/spaceyranger2

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Just did a run through, but I can’t seem to find it. Could you link it directly? Unless you meant the /u/oqouto account in which case you might shadowbanned since I can’t see a post more recent than 4 months ago.

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Those two were killed accounts. I post on /u/exiledouta for now.

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I had all 98s and 99s and my drill sergeants wouldn't tolerate my neurodivergence at all. They should have been kissing my butt

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It's pretty useless because 90% of the score is understanding math and english syntax both of which are totally useless in the military. I haven't done math once since I've been in, why would they test this way? I've barely written anything too.

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Because if you can grasp those two concepts,

you’re probably a functional human being and can grasp other concepts like fire and maneuver.

A lot or the other shit like shapes and stuff measure fluid intelligence, ability to synthesize information and general ability to comprehend what you’re told.

You also have to write ops orders when you’re a unit leader, and being able to count keeps you from fricking up the weapons and serialized gear counts, too.

Back when we were at war, LCpls were in situations that had a strategic impact on the entire mission (i.e. the Initial Invasion in 03, Haditha, Lashkar Gah, etc.)

You’re probably not thinking about it when you’re police calling the parking lot for cigarettes and empty Truly cans, but yes, intelligence is important even for the lowest ranks.

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write ops orders when you’re a unit leader,

This is important shit for E3s and E4s. The ones who do this well promote fast

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that article is proof of the absolutely precipitous decline of burgerdom.

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Yeah, everyone is straining for new blood across the board, even militaries. You'd be amazed who they're letting in, borderline impossible to get kicked out right now short of medical or getting arrested, I got to watch a recruit so neurodivergent he'd have a meltdown literally every night somehow graduate recently.

Literally couldn't function and yet was still passed out for a technical role (his academics were dogshit, too).

Western military complex is in fricking trouble.

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We're in the midst of the boomers retiring/dying off, GenX is tiny, the millennials are mentally buckbroken and it's unironically over for them, and Zoomers/Gen Alpha are globally pathetic with mushy brains and bodies.

It's not going to be a GOOD thing, but it sounds like if you are not an absolute r-slur/weak fat frick, the next few decades will be excellent for you

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Anyone capable of becoming an expert at something meaningful will do fine, the rest will enjoy an absolutely massive economic crapout.

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I really would have thought the opposite with the military being so afraid of suicide.

Be curious to see the entry level separation or failure to adapt levels compared to 2002.

Dunno why anyone would join a peace time Army or Corps. Boring as frick. Navy's always deploying so you'll get to "see the world." But even theyre having trouble.

The people trying to retain service members right now were a Captain or Lt. Col at best when 9/11 happened. So they're detached from reality.

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Maybe the Navy is having trouble because they have a reputation for 20-hour working days 7 days a week, a Fillipino Chief mafia preventing reasonable chances of promotion, and r-slurred obsession with certifications and bullshit make-work in miserable conditions

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Consider the silver lining, an earlier attempt at this kind of policy resulted in the third entry on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Largest_artificial_non-nuclear_explosions#Largest_accidental_artificial_non-nuclear_explosions_by_magnitude, maybe we will see something even greater this time!

And then there were McNamara Morons, not even 20 years later, lol.

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>30 ASVAB

uh, doesn't that correlate to an IQ of like 75, aka "functional illiteracy" and "inability to be trained to do any task"?

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