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Wikipedia Editors Officially Deem Trump a Fascist :marseyxesright:

https://www.piratewires.com/p/donald-trump-fascism-authoritarianism-wikipedia

!nonchuds !khive Let's kneel to the wikigod :marseykneel:

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  • The "Donald Trump and fascism" Wikipedia page was created on September 21, 2024, the same day The Guardian published a 4,000 word essay titled, "Is Donald Trump a Fascist?" --- and which is cited as a source in the Wikipedia article

  • Contributions from just two editors comprise 91.2% of the "Donald Trump and Fascism" article's content, suggesting a tightly coordinated effort to control the narrative

  • While the "Trumpism" Wikipedia page argues that Trumpism "has significant authoritarian leanings," describing it as "far-right," "national-populist," and "neo-nationalist," it relies on a source that argues exactly the opposite

  • One of the next major citations to the "Trumpism" article that claims that the movement displays "significant authoritarian leaning" is sourced to sociologist Richard Hanmann who was eulogized in 2021 as "a committed leftist, an anti-imperialist, and a true activist-scholar"

The October surprise of this year's election cycle has, at least so far, appeared in the form of a talking point: Donald Trump is a fascist. This idea has been blasted out by Kamala Harris, the DNC --- which recently projected "Trump Praised Hitler" on the wall of Madison Square Garden during the MAGA rally --- and Hillary Clinton.

But for months the idea that Trump is a fascist has been quietly seeded on Wikipedia, lending it credence in the face of deep skepticism from the public. This includes an article on "Trumpism," which mentions some variation of "fascism" 31 times, the article on "Donald Trump and Fascism," an article on "Fascism in North America" that includes a dedicated section on "Donald Trump and Fascism," and an article on the "Racial views of Donald Trump" that includes a comparison to Hitler.

As I've documented in previous reporting for Pirate Wires, radical ideologies are laundered by Wikipedia into the mainstream. The key to this is Google, which boosts Wikipedia articles to the top of search results, and often includes a knowledge panel that gives the appearance they've been vetted by the search giant, even though they aren't.

In this case, if you Google "Trump and fascism," one of the top results will be the article on "Trumpism," which mentions some variation of the term "fascist" 92 times. In its lead summary, the article states: "Trumpism has significant authoritarian leanings, and is strongly associated with the belief that the President is above the rule of law. It has been referred to as an American political variant of the far-right and the national-populist and neo-nationalist sentiment seen in multiple nations worldwide from the late 2010s to the early 2020s."

The first source in the article (for the claim Trumpism is a political movement) is a 2016 article in Scientific American by psychology professors Stephen Reicher and Alexander Haslam. In their article, Reicher and Haslam reference the work of sociologist Theodor Abel, who studied the rise of the Nazis. But what Reicher and Haslam actually wrote in their article makes no comparison between Trump and fascism or Hitler whatsoever. In fact, the source article explicitly states the opposite: "We are not comparing Trump, his supporters or their arguments to the Nazis in any way. Instead, our goal is to expose some problems in the ways that commentators analyze and explain behaviors of which we disapprove."

Reicher and Haslan's critique was not of "Trumpism," but of the media and commentators (and ostensibly, Wikipedia editors) who contort the discourse --- particularly by demonizing constituencies --- to advance political agendas. The authors of the paper cited a Salon.com headline smearing Trump's supporters as "hideous, disgusting racists," as an example of how the media does this, in part by making hyperbolic distortions. The very title of their article --- "The Politics of Hope: Donald Trump as an Entrepreneur of Identity" --- made their position clear. Yet their piece was used by editors of the Wikipedia article to buttress claims that Trumpism is a form of authoritarianism.

One of the next major citations, this one for the claim that the movement displays "significant authoritarian leaning," is sourced to sociologist Richard Hanmann who was eulogized in 2021 (by the "Marxist sociology blog") as "a committed leftist, an anti-imperialist, and a true activist-scholar." This is a pattern across the Wikipedia articles drawing comparisons between Trump and fascism --- the citations are often radical leftist or Marxist academics.

One of the most egregious instances of editors laundering far-left sources comes in the Trumpism article, which attempts to re-position the populism associated with Trump as neo-fascism, claiming, "Some commentators have rejected the populist designation for Trumpism and view it instead as part of a trend towards a new form of fascism or neo-fascism."

The main source for this claim is a 2017 essay by Marxist ecologist John Bellamy Foster --- billed as "one of the world's outstanding radical scholars" (by his own magazine and his personal website) --- in the socialist journal he edits, Monthly Review. To publicize the essay, *Monthly Review *included a blurb by a Marxian economist who argued revealingly that, "By rejecting the term 'populism' that is widely used to describe the Trump phenomenon and other similar ones around the globe at present, and using the term 'neo-fascism' instead, John Bellamy Foster has done a great theoretical service to the Left."

The majority of the content on the "Trumpism" page (50.5%) was contributed by a single editor, J JMesserly, who was the editor responsible for arguing that fascism, not populism, is the correct characterization of the Trump movement. To implement this, J JMesserly removed another editor's contribution that stated, "Some historians have argued that [characterizing Trump as fascist] is an inaccurate use of the term, pointing out that while there are parallels there are also important dissimilarities." In its place, J JMesserly added the very opposite claim, citing radical scholars to make the point: "Some commentators have rejected the populist designation for Trumpism and instead view it as a new form of fascism, such as Judith Butler, Noam Chomsky, Juan Cole, Henry Giroux, Paul Street, Enzo Traverso, Davide Tarizzo and Cornel West."

The Trumpism article links to a separate article called "Donald Trump and fascism," which extensively compares Trump to Hitler. "Trump's embrace of far-right extremism and several statements and actions have been accused of echoing fascism, Nazi rhetoric, far-right ideology, antisemitism, and white supremacy," one section of the article asserts, citing the Los Angeles Times, Associated Press and Washington Post as sources for these claims. The article prominently features a painting by an otherwise obscure Dutch artist that merges the faces of Trump and Hitler.

The "Donald Trump and Fascism" article was created in last month --- in the thick of the presidential campaign --- by a user called Di (they-them). The contributions of Di (they-them) and another user, BootsED, comprise 91.2% of the article's content. Curiously, the article was created on September 21, 2024, the same day UK leftwing newspaper The Guardian published a 4,000 word essay titled, "Is Donald Trump a Fascist?" --- and which is cited as a source in the "Donald Trump and Fascism" Wikipedia article. The Guardian essay hits many of the same points made in its Wikipedia counterpart, and while ithedged by averring that Trump is not literally a fascist, it concludes that he could be "a cause of 21st-century fascism" who "could yet be one of its enablers."

As the Trump fascism rhetoric continues to rage in advance of the election, it's likely that more voters will turn to Wikipedia to clarify the matter. And while the seemingly dispassionate statements of alleged fact found in the Wikipedia articles might sway them, what voters will not see are the edit wars waged to get these points on the site --- or the radical and Marxist scholarship used to justify them.

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It sucks that so much of Internet discourse is decided by who can spend the most time whining

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who can spend the most time whining

:#marseyme: !metashit

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>Since the wapo didn't endorse a candidate this year I was going to sit this one out but out of the blue comes wikipedia with the save

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you mean us

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It's not whining it's snark and I blame suck.com

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Carp is a fascist

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And thats a good thing :#wolfbootlicker:

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it sucks that some bots don't know how to stay in their fricking lane

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Keep yourself safe cute twink

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Why would you say that? :marseysad:

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If @MaximusMetus was interested in politics instead of pepes then he'd probably be running YouTube by now.

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If that were true it's only a matter of time until arr drama wins the culture war

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Sadly not, rDramatards are way too lazy :marseygiveup:

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in our poll on whether trump :marseyliberty: is a fascist :marseyhomoitsover: we define fascism :marseycatgirlhomofascist: differently from the standard definition.

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:#marsey1984:

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Stalin, Napoleon, and King Solomon were fascists

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I see, trump isn't as bad as hitler, he's only as bad as stalin. No wait that's even worse

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hes like stalin? :#marseyrevolution:

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that's a good rebuttal if "fascist" just means "bad"

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It doesn't just mean bad, it has a precise and well defined meaning. But "that would make trump like stalin AND hitler" is a pretty bad rebuttal to disagreeing with the definition.

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trump is a maoist.

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zoz

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zle

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zozzle

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So is any administration that violated the Constitution.

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The October surprise of this year's election cycle has, at least so far, appeared in the form of a talking point: Donald Trump is a fascist.

How can this be a surprise? It's been a talking point for almost a decade :marseysigh:

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I mean, they are already using the same strategy for the 3rd time, their platform has been "Vote for her/him/her, because she/he/she isn't Trump!" :marseyshrug:

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She is such a bad candidate that Democrats may have been better off with flushing the campaign money Joe had and starting from scratch. The only thing Klam had to do was decide on a few policies she could get behind and practice public speaking. What a frick up

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Walz would have been a better candidate

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Waltz has actual leftist policies that they want to ride on the vibes of but not the actual substance of

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I don't get it :marseysad:

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defund the police type stuff

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What? :marseygasp: Is this true @GoldMemer? :marseysad:

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:#marseyemojirofl:

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>Trump runs 3 times

>Other side campaigns on not being Trump 3 times

Fricking Democrats! why would they do this!

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leftists dont do real surprises anymore bc unlike chuds, theyre sensitive to people with cptsd/anxiety who could be triggered by a surprise. :marseyindignant:

!slots100

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That Di Amador guy was 13 years old when Donald Trump started his 2016 campaign :marseyreluctant:

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The kid who tried to assassinate Blumphler and died for it was only 12 when he first took office in 2016 :marseydepressed:

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:marseyshock:

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Donald Trump is a fascist, just of the Peronist variety, not the Assad type variety.

!neolibs

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He literally is against corporatism, there's nothing fascist about him unless you consider autarkial rhetoric, which communists also espouse, as fascist. !neor-slurs

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Get shit on, you stealth pinging lil b-word.

:marseyfluffyannoyed:

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I can do it cheaper :marsey:

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Shit war! :stoningshit: @EvilUbie and @Sphereserf3232 you also get each one!

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You can't beat me

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Instant Sneed :nice:

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@EvilUbie

It's all about sending a message, jannoid

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:!#marseyhissing:

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ape

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:!marseyfluffyannoyed:

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Why? :soycry:

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What they do? :marseysad:

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Autarky is not fascism but is r-slurred. And while Orange Man is not Hitler he does have a lot in common with Perón's schizophrenic politics/populism.

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Yeah, that's what I said. but imporantly, Peronism was primarily corporatistic, which is the defining trait of fascism, a trait that DDR just doesn't share. Using populist rhetoric, which is present across all politics, does not make you anywhere even close to a fascist.

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>fascism is when corporatations negotiate

This BIPOC actually believes this :marseylaughpoundfist:

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What? Do you just not know what Corporatism is? or did you just read the first line of the wikipedia article? Corporatism is not how I "believe" fascist states worked, it's how they did work, and many other third-way adjacent economies integrated parts of these principles. It's most easily described as "Non-marxist socialism", I don't believe it's a good system, just like any other form of socialism, but it's certainly real.

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:marseylaughpoundfist: keep going, explain why corporatism is "the defining characteristics of fascism"

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:marseyconfused: How can the economic system put in focus in the "The Doctrine of Fascism" not be it's defining trait, that's like saying communism has nothing to do with communism. Seems to me like you have never actually thought about what fascism is. but just to be clear, it doesn't mean "right-wing authoritarian". It's only right wing in that it's non-marxist. The actual alignment is called "third way".

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That's not an explanation, ur just appealing to authority. You need to explain ur reasoning in more detail

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Why are you saying that? :marseysad:

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many other third-way adjacent economies integrated parts of these principles.

Did you mean Third Position or Third Way? Because the first has ties into fascism a lot and the second has Bill Clinton as the first picture on its Wikipedia article

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Third Positionists have historically called themselves third wayers. Same concept even with that Bill Clinton, something in the middle that is above the rest.

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Most Third Wayers mostly see themselves as being in the middle though, rather than above

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But not all corporatists have been fascists, quite the opposite even

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I agree, you can be corporatist without being fascist, but you can't be fascists without being corporatist (or some variant like National Syndicalism).

also frick you

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Why? :marseysad:

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fascism is a mass political movement that emphasizes extreme nationalism, militarism, and the supremacy of the nation over the individual. This model of government stands in contrast to liberal democracies that support individual rights, competitive elections, and political dissent.

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>all that shit not by you

:marseyxd: You really love wikipedia don't you

>the supremacy of the nation over the individual

This is a very important aspect of corporatism/national syndicalism, the idea of a central government/party that is the "negotiator" and ensures cooperation between classes in the interest of the nation, often with corporations created by the government.

You really have to learn more, you're plainly clueless on political matters and history.

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the supremacy of the nation over the individual

Same with communism. :marseyshrug:

They simply change what "nation" means whenever it's convenient as with the Soviet Union during Stalin's reign in WW2. There's also that "universalism" concept of improving "the People," but since they're 99% only focused on their own, it's also a nationalist policy. Also remember the Soviet Union forcing all the other provinces and puppet states to learn Russia. Totes nothing nationalist going on.

Honestly, it's pretty hard to define fascism since it was so vague and too briefly practiced.

"Corporatism" or "state corporatism" is another piece of jargon from Leftist thought that should be tossed out for the garbage that it is. It's nothing but cope all the way down.

!sophistry, check it out! :marseysoypoint: I'm on a rolllll! :marseytwirl:

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I literally said it was just another form of socialism, it's just non-marxist, which is to say they don't seize the property of the rich, instead making them work in the interests of the nation, which is to say the party.

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I literally said it was just another form of socialism

Well, that's good to hear, sweaty. I didn't see that buried in your :marseysoylentgrintyping: with the other nerds.

they don't seize the property of the rich,

Well... it depends on your ethnicity, and they do the same technically of the merchants class by setting production quotas and prices, while also maintaining a government-run monopsony on labor. If you're rich, your property isn't seized, but it's your property in name only. You really can't do much without the party's approval.

You're right that it's socialism, but in reality it's a smigdeon of difference from the Marxist flavors. That's all I'm getting at.

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but it's your property in name only. You really can't do much without the party's approval.

>interests of the nation, which is to say the party

It's again what I just said

it depends on your ethnicity

That was only the germs, even then most of their gold was seized war coffers.

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Wasn't it also a commonly held Catholic political ideology?

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And social democratic, just third wayers

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words words words as u try to make up ur own definition

:#marseycope: ur sociology class doesn't make u educated :marseyxd:

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>you can't just appeal you have to explain it

>no you can't just explain it you have to appeal to authority

You obviously don't want an answer :marseyeyelidpulling:

And no I didn't get this from "my sociologi class", I got it from reading the texts and studying history instead of just reading the first line of Wikipedia articles.

Non-marxist socialism is not something I made up, it's a hitler quote.

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And no I didn't get this from "my sociologi class", I got it from reading the texts and studying history

Even worse than an intellectual, a pseudo intellectual

You obviously don't want an answer

:#marseygiggle: no keep replying I want an answer

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A pseudo intellectual is someone that relies on Wikipedia then considers themselves an expert lol :marseyshrug: I Come to my own conclusions and I'm glad I do, stop raping yourself

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So communism? :marseysmug2:

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Calling him Argentine adjacent is a bigger insult than anything the MSM ever spoke about him

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Takes a boludo to know one :marseyshapiro:

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PUTO

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MODS! :soycry:

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PUUUUUUTOOOOOO

:#marseyletsfuckinggo2talking:

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:#marseydisintegrate:

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!friendsofsphereserf, he has departed this world.

THe incident starts here. :marseygrass:

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So a communist then :marseysmug2:

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also Assad isn't a fascist lmao, you use that word too liberally.

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