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We've been watching ds9 for a few months now and we're on like season 4 and it's just not clicking at all like TOS or TNG did
I mean it's fine
But none of the characters with the exception of Quark and to a lesser extent Rom really stand out
The best non-Ferengi is Odo and even he's just very middling
Kira is hideous and terrible, Sisko can't act for shit, Bashir is an annoying little twink, Dax is hot but very uninteresting, the kids are annoying uhhh who else is there
The only compelling characters are O'Brien and Worf and they're unsurprisingly transfers from TNG, I don't care about any of the rest and I'm so sick of looking at Kira and listening to Kira and having the writers try to sell Kira is hot instead of some ugly annoying hag and jdjfnfndndn
Contrast to TNG where everyone but Wesley and sometimes Beverley were incredible characters with depth and interesting development and things to say and do
DS9 fine but nothing special
!trekkies fight me
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These are the exact same opinions I had when I was 14, then I watched it again as an adult and loved it.
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!moidmoment scrotes are so thirsty they'll not only lust after this but insist it is a sign of maturity
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Kira is an annoying brat in both universes but that's because of her childhood trauma
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Kira is the best character ever. Your taste is so bad it deserves execution tbh. Even that guy who liked Lost more than X Files has got you beat.
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!trekkies !commenters true or false^?
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kira is both the hottest and ugliest character in existence. mid/low tier.
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They did her dirty with the lesbian hair.
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Aren't you literally a gay man though
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!poll_voters
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I'm not rating her on looks she's a well written character. I found her grating until maybe season 5+ too, but by the end of the show you'll like her.
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So you admit she's ugly
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She was NOT
The only hot trek characters have been the random thot ensigns from TOS, Troi, and now Dax
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7 of 9 was hotter in the Starfleet uniform. Don't at me.
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Kira is like a centrist. Mid looks & mid character
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Average ds9 episode pitch meeting:
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Put a pin in that until after Season 6.
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Garak isn't a main character!!!!!!!!
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He will be
you're already four seasons in stop pretending like you're gonna drop it and just finish the show before passing judgment on the characters.
Yes the early seasons are worse, every Trek has this problem.
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He might as well be for his impact on the series. Strag.
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He is to me!.
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Trekkies will hate me for this, but Babylon 5 is the vastly superior "90s space station show with long plot arcs and moral ambiguity".
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I won't hate you. I begrudgingly agree with you.
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Babylon 5 is fricking amazing honestly this is an acceptable opinion.
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I love DS9 but understand. It is far from capturing the same sense of adventure, since they stay in one place.
Although the first 2 seasons are the worst, massively improved when the original writer moved to Voyager. BUT, the improvement came from some dramatization and longer term character development/arcs. Which can also be a turn off for TNG/Voyager stans.
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It's DEFINITELY improving after the first few seasons but just frick me is it taking its sweet time in elevating itself above being just somewhat passable
The shit butt boring title sequence doesn't help things either even after it gets busier in s4
Is Voyager more like TNG?
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To boldly go where... here, we're already here. It's a space station so it doesn't go anywhere.
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Voyager is TNG except the ship is lost way out in space completely out of contact with the Federation or any other familiar species. I like it, so you probably won't. Lots of people don't. They have great borg kino though.
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Voyager is nothing but lost potential for me for some of the reasons you mentioned. But I watched it first-run on UPN, and while I like TNG more, VOY was my first Star Trek that was on week to week, excluding the last two years of TNG.
I am also an oldstrag if that helps.
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Yeah I will freely admit that some of my enduring love for Voyager comes from it being the first Trek I saw.
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It's the Trek equivalent to asking someone what was the best SNL cast. It's usually the one you grew up watching from 7th grade to around junior/senior year of high school.
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Voyager is the best
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THIS tbh
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Last half of DS9 is my favorite Star Trek. Voyager is a snooze fest.
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Voyager is like a 90's take on TOS
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Voyager is easily worst Trek, it's like a grimdark TNG with awful characters.
Still better than most TV.
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Personally, Kate Mulgrew being a complete babe got me through voyager.
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She's so enjoyably batshit fricking crazy.
"Oh yeah? You won't do what I say? Well I'll just KILL US ALL THEN"
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I greatly enjoyed her absolutely murdering the frick outta Tuvix when no one else wanted to.
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Janeway did nothing wrong.
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She was morally right TBQH
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I only wish they had stopped changing her hair every fricking episode in the first couple of seasons. I read that it was the UPN president's decision on her hair, and it changed all the time.
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The bun wig in the first three seasons was great because it was SO over the top.
What the frick even is this?
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Awful. In that first season, her hair was best in Cathexis, which wasn't an awful episode.
Shit, do you remember when they had the 7 of 9 and Captain Braxton time travel episode? They had to reconfigure Janeway's hair again to make it look like first season hair, but by then it wasn't enough. It looked hilariously fake.
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Hnnnng I love that episode. I do remember laughing a bit at their attempts to recreate season 1 lmao.
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Seriously, if you like Trek and also inside stories about the making of it, I really recommend "The 50 Year Mission." Great insights there. For example, did you know that Mulgrew was schtumping Winrich Kolbe, one of the most recurring Trek directors in the Berman era? Or you can learn just how bad Mulgrew was to Jeri Ryan when she came to the show, like fricking awful. Robert Beltran, in perfect Chakotay fashion, mostly checked out by the second year and was mostly in it for the steady paycheck.
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Voyager has a kind of interesting plot development and setting but also the worst characters of any Trek. Chakotay is very cringe although he kinda crosses into being hilarious sometimes; Tuvok is like an even more annoying Vulcan with emotional problems and also he's black
; Parris is all the worst aspects of Riker and Bashir in one character; the Doctor is insufferable; Neelix is worse than all of them put together. If you're annoyed by Jadzia and Bashir and Kira you're not going to be happy with the Voyager crew. And at least two of those get better as the series goes on.
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Voyslop is trying to be The Next Generation, but they realized that only trekkies and no normies were still watching, so they constantly throw in self-aware references to the lore. It's very derivative.
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it's okay, just go back to consooming your no mans sky slop. ds9 wasn't meant for people like you
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The Emissary
The Prophets
The Founders
The Fantasy Proper Nouns
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Ever notice how sci-fi writers love fantasy planet religions, but are incapable of depicting real religions?
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Actually good carpinion for once
I think I'm the only !trekkies here who just couldn't stomach DS9
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I think that is a good description. DS9 really benefits from its last seasons when the Dominion War picks off and you finally see all the ST races interact with each other in something new.
I also massively dislike the whole religious Bajoran prophet shit.
The characters are - as you pointed out - also not that great when compared with the TOS / TNG crew. Quark, Odo & Garak stand out because they're something new.
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You don't like Kira? I don't think I've ever seen taste this bad before in my entire fricking life.
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DS9 only started clicking mid season 3 and then really found its groove after Worf joined. There's the pew-pew of the Dominion War, which itself was a bit of a shock for Star Trek; none of the shows had ever depicted (only referenced) previous military engagements like that. TNG alluded to the Cardassian-Federation War if you'll recall from "The Wounded." From season 4 on to the end, there are roughly 5 to 6 major plots going together across multiple episodes, with standalone ones scattered in there. "In The Pale Moonlight" is one of my favorites, and there's another with the Defiant crew all talking to a federation captain whose ship is down on a planet and getting to know her, but it comes with a twist ending. Berman gave Ira Steven Behr alot of discretion on DS9 because by like season 3 of DS9, they were already fully into Voyager, which was their new TNG-lite show, with a great premise that's ultimately squandered
When you get to Voyager, you'll see equal measures of misses and hits, but the hits are never as good as TNG's. On the whole, Voyager is a lot of "man, this could have been BSG before BSG." Which is why the creator of the reboot BSG left Voyager after like 3 episodes once his DS9 stint was done.
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keep yourself safe
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ur wrong
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The main jannie is trekkie. Some things never change
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BIPOC is great
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