The men who would kill for that lifestyle are generally men who have not lived that lifestyle
The point of fight club is a brotherhood tale, centered around the idea that the 'american dream' is upheld consciously as a utopia but is unsatisfying for men on a subconscious level, who evolved to process risk and succeed on the merits of their own two hands
A larger number of people being unable to reach that non-satisfying non-utopia doesn't mean fight club is outdated. It means it's become pre-dated, ready to be relevant against once those people figure out 9-5 security is boring af
I recall Patrice O'Neal saying that Fight Club was the whitest movie he'd ever seen. Perhaps anti-yuppie brotherhood is not a topic that American would be too interested in.
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How are you going to find THAT many straight black college graduates?
That conclusion is dumb. What men want is a sense of ownership of their efforts and like they are actually going somewhere in life. A 9-5 job where you are stuck in place will never fill that hole but if you are of the group that can keep moving up you are good to go.
The point the people criticizing the protagonist of fight club for hating is life are missing is that his life is the life of Joe average where he can never hold an actual sense of relevance. It's not about how much you own or how rich you are. It's about how there is no sense of purpose or of having done anything that actually matters because you are drone #95495203 and replaceable by drones #10385938 to drone #95739434. There is no sense of personal accomplishment or life satisfaction but to then conclude that people would be happier getting eaten by wild dogs in the jungle is even more r-slurred.
>What men want is a sense of ownership of their efforts
That's what I said
>and like they are actually going somewhere in life.
nah. Most men only care about station in life in so far as it gets them laid or respected by others.
>The point the people criticizing the protagonist of fight club for hating is life are missing is that his life is the life of Joe average where he can never hold an actual sense of relevance. It's not about how much you own or how rich you are. It's about how there is no sense of purpose or of having done anything that actually matters because you are drone #95495203 and replaceable by drones #10385938 to drone #95739434. There is no sense of personal accomplishment or life satisfactio
Yes. All of this is accurately summarized under "succeed on the merits of their own two hands"
>to then conclude that people would be happier getting eaten by wild dogs in the jungle is even more r-slurred.
humans bop dogs, 9:1 matchup
living in caves and fending off bears with spears and growing tomatoes would absolutely make part of male psychology significantly more satisfied than office work. It would suck because of the other parts, where people also value safety and shelter and comforts and not starving. The vast, vast majority of Americans alive today don't need to worry about not starving or freezing to death, so those concerns are forgotten and minimized.
So, would males be happier as cavemen? No.
Is Fight Club a brotherhood story about how some caveman aspects in life would be more satisfying? Yes.
but its not, as other comments have already mentioned that in the book the guy ends up failing and getting sent to an insane asylum. Which suggests that the problem of feeling like you aren't where you are meant to be has more to do with the individual than where they actually are, and shifting to the other extreme isn't going to change that sense of emptiness.
On the other hand research suggests that people who work out are happier so who knows.
The author's thoughts are public record, and he's the one who classified it as a brotherhood tale. He said the two significant influences to write that story was a lack of "ya ya sisterhood" type bonding stories in the male space, and the andes festival of Tinku or whatever it's called, where all the men in the village come out and just punch eachother out until they're satisfied
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The point of fight club is a brotherhood tale, centered around the idea that the 'american dream' is upheld consciously as a utopia but is unsatisfying for men on a subconscious level, who evolved to process risk and succeed on the merits of their own two hands
Men crave adventure and danger on a monkey level and the american system of being a comfy babysitting zone from birth to crypt denies it.
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The men who would kill for that lifestyle are generally men who have not lived that lifestyle
The point of fight club is a brotherhood tale, centered around the idea that the 'american dream' is upheld consciously as a utopia but is unsatisfying for men on a subconscious level, who evolved to process risk and succeed on the merits of their own two hands
A larger number of people being unable to reach that non-satisfying non-utopia doesn't mean fight club is outdated. It means it's become pre-dated, ready to be relevant against once those people figure out 9-5 security is boring af
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Should've made an all-Black remake
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I recall Patrice O'Neal saying that Fight Club was the whitest movie he'd ever seen. Perhaps anti-yuppie brotherhood is not a topic that American would be too interested in.
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Lmao, the racial implications of this would be beyond dramatic, please please someone tell the 🧃 that this would help destabilize the US a lil more
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How are you going to find THAT many straight black college graduates?
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That conclusion is dumb. What men want is a sense of ownership of their efforts and like they are actually going somewhere in life. A 9-5 job where you are stuck in place will never fill that hole but if you are of the group that can keep moving up you are good to go.
The point the people criticizing the protagonist of fight club for hating is life are missing is that his life is the life of Joe average where he can never hold an actual sense of relevance. It's not about how much you own or how rich you are. It's about how there is no sense of purpose or of having done anything that actually matters because you are drone #95495203 and replaceable by drones #10385938 to drone #95739434. There is no sense of personal accomplishment or life satisfaction but to then conclude that people would be happier getting eaten by wild dogs in the jungle is even more r-slurred.
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There are many ways to find purpose and fulfillment, but those chasers will never understand.
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How do you take pride in serving Mcdonalds to a 40 BMI dude every single day of the rest of your life?
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The knowledge that you're slowly reducing the population of fats on the planet, one heart-attack at a time.
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That's what I said
nah. Most men only care about station in life in so far as it gets them laid or respected by others.
Yes. All of this is accurately summarized under "succeed on the merits of their own two hands"
humans bop dogs, 9:1 matchup
living in caves and fending off bears with spears and growing tomatoes would absolutely make part of male psychology significantly more satisfied than office work. It would suck because of the other parts, where people also value safety and shelter and comforts and not starving. The vast, vast majority of Americans alive today don't need to worry about not starving or freezing to death, so those concerns are forgotten and minimized.
So, would males be happier as cavemen? No.
Is Fight Club a brotherhood story about how some caveman aspects in life would be more satisfying? Yes.
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Give us the freedom of dying, starving wolves !anime
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but its not, as other comments have already mentioned that in the book the guy ends up failing and getting sent to an insane asylum. Which suggests that the problem of feeling like you aren't where you are meant to be has more to do with the individual than where they actually are, and shifting to the other extreme isn't going to change that sense of emptiness.
On the other hand research suggests that people who work out are happier so who knows.
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The author's thoughts are public record, and he's the one who classified it as a brotherhood tale. He said the two significant influences to write that story was a lack of "ya ya sisterhood" type bonding stories in the male space, and the andes festival of Tinku or whatever it's called, where all the men in the village come out and just punch eachother out until they're satisfied
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That sounds dumb.
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perhaps do something interesting outside of work
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Yes.
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Men crave adventure and danger on a monkey level and the american system of being a comfy babysitting zone from birth to crypt denies it.
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