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AI images replicating the Studio Ghibli Art Style are being posted on many social media platforms. A user in r/Movies vents about Ghibli's art style is being replicated via AI, albeit is OK with AI generally. r/Movies has an intense post-long argument about the ethics and legality of these images

https://old.reddit.com/r/movies/comments/1jmikp3/this_studio_ghibli_ai_trend_is_an_utter_insult_to/ 

								

								

									
									
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Yeah a lot of the outrage over this is way over the top. It's practically being used as a Snapchat filter, it's not the end of the world...
Gunna break from the norm here... I find the reaction to this incredibly overblown. None of you had an issue with Snapchat filters turning everyone into Disney characters. You don't care when it's anyone else's style. I get Miyazaki said he doesn't like AI and that's his right to feel that way, but unless people are actively trying to profit off these works, how is it any different than someone drawing in his style? People are just having fun with it. He and his studio are getting tons of recognition and attention from this. They're going to be just fine, and as they say, imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. Calling it an insult to anime is absurd... it's the most generic, copied, low-creativity art style of all time, where 95% of it looks the same. Not Miyazaki's style in particular but anime in general. Like come on...
I think people don't realize how much other technology already does this. The internet replaced the jobs of people who would transport information. Calculators replaced the jobs of people who would do just that. In each case people lost their job and didn't receive anything for it. This is the effect technology always has, though often it isn't as large scale. Why is the idea of having a machine create your dnd character portrait offensive because you just cost an artist a commission, but using the internet to send that commission isn't despite it costing a courier their commission? The difference is that one was replace long ago and the other is only now in the middle of being replaced.
I'm tired of the backlash against AI art. It's a tool - like a brush, a camera, or a digital tablet - and true creatives will find ways to use it with originality and flair. The uproar over things like the "Ghibli style" in AI misses the point. Yes, Hayao Miyazaki once called AI "an insult to life itself" in 2016, reacting to a crude demo, and Studio Ghibli's never been a fan. But these AI-generated images aren't theft - they're tributes from fans who adore that iconic aesthetic. Art's always been a conversation, borrowing and building across generations; AI's just the latest voice in the mix. Arguments like it disrespects the years poured into mastering a craft - say, 18 years perfecting portraiture. I get it; that dedication matters. But digital art didn't kill painting - traditional works still hang in galleries and fetch millions. AI doesn't erase skill; it amplifies access. History shows this pattern: Renaissance flowed into Impressionism, Expressionism into Modernism, and now we're here. Each shift sparked resistance, then growth. AI's not here to replace artists - it's here to invite everyone to the table. It's not an insult; it's evolution. Embrace it, wield it, or watch it reshape the world anyway.
Yes it is. Because they never showed any solidarity with the workers on the assembly lines replaced by robots. None of you cared then. You don't care now about AI replacing people doing data computation. You don't care about AI self driving cars replacing taxi drivers. You don't care about 3D printers replacing people who make molds or sculptures.  Yeah, it's all about themselves. They aren't arguing about keeping their jobs. They're arguing that " it isn't real art". Did you ever read the opinion pieces of painters during the adoption of photography? They are saying the exact same thing almost word for word. Photography sucks the life out of art. It's devoid of emotion and inspiration. It's a technological solution to something that didn't need solving. It would drive thousands of artists out of work. Photography has no feeling. They said all this and more.  And guess what? Photography is seen as art now. 
Best example of this was that Adam Tots post on r/comics where his SO shows him a picture of them in that Ghibli AI style. Last panel is Adam wanting to shoot himself. Really healthy response to your SO showing you something they think is cute.
That's fair use. Training AI is significantly transformative. This is how the laws work, this is how they've always worked, this is what artists have always known about putting their work out there.  If you're not aware, Google famously won a lawsuit about 10 years ago that said their for-profit venture of scanning millions of copyrighted books and making them searchable and readable online was transformative enough to be fair use.  Obviously training AI is significantly more transformative than that. I'm certain you didn't care when people were "misusing his art" by using stills to create memes. Suddenly it's bad to use them? Come on…
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No one is a Luddite here. Ghibli stopped using cells in 1997 with Princess Mononoke. I think in fact they were one of the pioneers in anime adopting computer technology. They understand computers are just a tool so in those instances where they can amplify human creativity they're good. That's why they use a mix of paper and pencil and computers to get the best of both worlds. LLM generation is the opposite of amplifying human creativity, they limit it because it's just a lazy corner cutting.
the real issue is that the AI is clearly trained on copyrighted material without permission in order to recreate like that. this is what the discussion should be about.
AI is currently being used to replace huge chunks of everyday workers. Writers, artists, musicians, etc. It's been created by some tech companies just copying all this copywritten art from all over the internet and teaching their AI to imitate it, which they then use to make huge amounts of money. So they are stealing millions of copywritten works from the general public, and then flood the market that those people were in with cheap mass produced AI "art" to hoover up money with the work they stole. AI in this case is a representation of corporations just stealing more money from your average Joe. And people do not care about pirating Metallica because they are worth a billion dollars and they don't need more money. TL;DR: Capitalism.
None of the replacement technologies so far relied on the work of the people it replaced to function, Sam himself said that AI would be useless if not allowed to be trained on every piece of copyrighted material they can get their hands on. If you told a judge he'd lose his job because you invented a computer that uses his rulings and footage of court cases to replace him as a judge, you'd see how quickly this principle of replacement tech would get banned forever
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EDIT: Changed to be neutral
https://old.reddit.com/r/SubredditDrama/comments/1joavma/ai_images_replicating_the_studio_ghibli_art_style/


									
								

							

							

								
									
								
							

							

								
	

							

						

						
						

							

								
							

						

					

					
						

							
							
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The freaking official white house twitter account posted one of a crying immigrant being arrested. The content is far more gross than the method, but the whole thing is appalling.
:pronouncorrection: previously deported fentanyl dealing crying immigrant

						


						
							

							

								
									
								
							


							

								
	

							


							

								

									

										
										

									


								
						

					
				


				

				
					
	

	
		

			
		


		

			

				
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If these people were consistent they'd want fan artists in jail too
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Inflation cuck bondage fanart porn is SOVL and making desperate Thirdies draw it for below minimum wage is ethical.

						


						
							

							

								
									
								
							


							

								
	

							


							

								

									

										
										

									


								
						

					
				


				

				
					
	

	
		

			
		


		

			

				
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Calling it an insult to anime is absurd... it's the most generic, copied, low-creativity art style of all time, where 95% of it looks the same.
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I'd argue that people are making these Ghibli :marseymononoke: images out of appreciation, tribute, and love for Studio Ghibli. Also people don't want to pay some goober money :marseyrabbitnewyear: for a piece they are going :marseysalmaid: to get mild amusement out of that won't be half as good and will take way way way waaaaay too long to actually :marseynerd3: get. Artists can get bent.

						


						
							

							

								
									
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They're also doing it to annoy people. If I was unemployed and wanted to troll, I'd post this shit everywhere to annoy redditoids.

						


						
							

							

								
									
								
							


							

								
	

							


							

								

									

										
										

									


								
						

					
				


				

				
					
	

	
		

			
		


		

			

				
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This is the funniest discourse because there's literally nothing they can do about it so they just have to sit and seethe.

						


						
							

							

								
									
								
							


							

								
	

							


							

								

									

										
										

									


								
						

					
				


				

				
					
	

	
		

			
		


		

			

				
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yep Japan went full pro AI last month despite having hash copyright law.

						


						
							

							

								
									
								
							


							

								
	

							


							

								

									

										
										

									


								
						

					
				


				

				
					
	

	
		

			
		


		

			

				
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What's up with these AI Ghibli pics recently? Wherever I go, I just cannot escape it
Just step away from the keyboard. Just close your eyes  :marseylaugh:

						


						
							

							

								
									
								
							


							

								
	

							


							

								

									

										
										

									


								
						

					
				


				

				
					
	

	
		

			
		


		

			

				
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What's wild to me is how everyone took his single statement about not liking AI as all AI art
It was specifically about a machine learning algo that learned locomotion with missing bones as a Dead Space style zombie, and he didn't like that because he had a long time friend and neighbor with substantial physical disabilities, he thought the ML algo and gore was insulting to those with physical ailments. It's honestly really touching how he views the embodiment of physical pain and discomfort.
He literally never said anything about this style replication stuff over the last 5 years.

						


						
							

							

								
									
								
							


							

								
	

							


							

								

									

										
										

									


								
						

					
				


				

				
					
	

	
		

			
		


		

			

				
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copyright is dead  https://media.tenor.com/SRcdBFitFSEAAAAx/unamused-cat.webp
the only good copyright is a big database you can turn into a vector DB to feed into an LLM, like a Law db of all the cases. Otherwise individual artists will be consoomed or patterned off of

						


						
							

							

								
									
								
							


							

								
	

							


							

								

									

										
										

									


								
						

					
				


				

				
					
	

	
		

			
		


		

			

				
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I think people don't realize how much other technology already does this. The internet replaced the jobs of people who would transport information. Calculators replaced the jobs of people who would do just that. In each case people lost their job and didn't receive anything for it. This is the effect technology always has, though often it isn't as large scale. Why is the idea of having a machine create your dnd character portrait offensive because you just cost an artist a commission, but using the internet to send that commission isn't despite it costing a courier their commission? The difference is that one was replace long ago and the other is only now in the middle of being replaced.:

						


						
							

							

								
									
								
							


							

								
	

							


							

								

									

										
										

									


								
						

					
				


				

				
					
	

	
		

			
		


		

			

				
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