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Weekly "what are you reading" Thread #62


								

								

To discuss your weekly readings of books, textbooks and papers.

I'm putting aside fiction for a while, I recently started "Chaos: Making a new science" :marseysoylentgrin: by James Gleick, it's a pop science intro for Chaos Theory but a well-researched one which doesn't fall into quackery. Also thanks to our !mathematics friends for their textbook recommendations

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@Aevann :#marseypin: pls

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I tried some 40k slop and got bored, I'm gonna try Fabrico's recommendations - clearly I'm an uneducated caveman compared to you guys

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I've only read The Infinite and the Divine and I thought it was quite good


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I listen to most of my 40k slop at the gym because if it gets boring my mind just wanders and I can focus back when something happens.

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I'm gonna try Fabrico's recommendations

Which one are you considering?

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Read Chinese web novels if you love slop, they're fun, Er Gen's novels in particular (Renegade Immortal, I Shall Seal The Heavens, A Will Eternal).

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uneducated caveman

Cavewoman*

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read Fallout Equestria next :#marseythumbsup:

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Reading Learning Vocabulary in Another Language because I'm thinking of learning another language (I probably won't though). I like reading stuff from other fields though. :marseyreading:

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Just finished reading Letters From a Stoic by Seneca. Could essentially be summarized that you should live a modest life while wisdom-maxxing as much as possible because the only thing worth overdoing is philosophy. Well, his definition of philosophy is to help teach people to live their lives in a wise and stoic way. a life of moderation and acceptance of the situation you're in. He spends a good chunk of his time dabbing on grammar nerds, philologists, rhetoricians and Epicurus (rival school). The three former because they're "philosophers" who lost their way, the latter because they think the purpose in life is to be happy. In some letters he gives vibes of a proto-Ted Kaczynski, claiming that everything was better before they had luxury, and you lived with a more spiritual mindset. He also dabs on neurodivergents, liberal arts and STEMlords (geometry, specifically). Claiming they are min-maxxing into useless knowledge while you should be experiencing and learning a wide variety of things, most especially philosophy.

Now I'm reading the bible, NRSV edition which is a scholarly one. Tried reading KJV in parallel too but I got ESL-filtered. Just got through the five books of moses.

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!sophistry thoughts?

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my thpught is stop pinging every other shit

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!pinggrouplovers look at this !r-slurs

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Thoughts are the contemplation :marseythinkorino2: of the indecisive. The strong :marseycrimsonchin: of mind act

:#marseynietzsche:

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I think Seneca is worth a read or two.

Was Seneca or Augustus the one who got cucked by his wife and went "life goes on" and just ignored her?

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Claiming they are min-maxxing into useless knowledge while you should be experiencing and learning a wide variety of things, most especially philosophy.

Oh look at that the philosopher is disparaging about people having a :marseyautism: special interest :marseyautism: if it's not philosophy while also saying it's completely fine to have philosophy as your :marseyautism: special interest :marseyautism: because philosophy isn't just useless knowledge :marseysurejan:

COPE

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Seneca sounds fun

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IIRC this is the guy who wrote about having ascetic lifestyle but then he said "it's also good to fit in to your community" and used that as an excuse to act like every other rich Roman. There was a type of small table that was the latest fad. He wrote about how terrible it is to waste money on something so worthless but of course he bought one for himself because he didn't his peers to think he was a weirdo or something.

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Finished The Hundred Years' war book, pretty good info on the war but felt a bit general as well as the first book of the Powder Mage Trilogy. It's a fine read but nothing more. I've become more adverse to stories that have massacres and violence as I've stop reading the second book. It's a war novel but i've just got tired of the violence from comics that it spilt over to literature.

Does anyone recommend any fantasy novels? Tried WoT and didn't like it and Brandon Sanderson gets passed around a lot.

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Tried WoT and didn't like it and Brandon Sanderson gets passed around a lot.

!bookworms @kaamrev @carpathianflorist

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https://old.reddit.com/r/WoT/comments/r6jt1b/jordan_v_sanderson_vocabulary_visualised/

Here's a bit of trivia.

The word "channeler(s)" is used 251 times in the books.

RJ uses it 3 times in chapters, and 6 times in the glossaries.

That's a total of 9 times he uses that word in the 12 books he wrote for WoT.

Sanderson uses the word the remaining 242 times in the 3 books he wrote.

Also

It is the case indeed. Jordan uses "said" 13,607 times in 3,360,919 words, Sanderson 8,779 times in 968,185. That's once every 247 words for Jordan and once every 110 for Sanderson. In summary, Sanderson uses it 2.24 times more often than Jordan

!mathematics

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the story finished and concluded, Martin is a cuck

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:#soycry: :!#marseygeorgerrmartin:

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That's just what @nuclearshill said.

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Read the Children of Hurin, that's a good one, they say.

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R Drama dot net

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Ive read Underground by Murakami and then No Country For Old Men.

Underground was a recommendation from someone on here, probably a year ago or something. I really enjoyed it, I thought it was so depressing but also really uplifting. I want to read more by him but Ive heard mixed things about his fiction.

No Country For Old Men was great. It took me a minute to get used to McCarthy's writing style, but once I did I couldnt put it down. Its better than the film, I can take Chiguhr more seriously when he doesnt have that silly haircut. :callit:

Im reading, or trying to read, The Divine Comedy currently. Ive read the introduction and the first canto but I havent had motivation to read this week. :marseygiveup:

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but Ive heard mixed things about his fiction.

Yea. From r-slurs. His novels are incredible!

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Anyone who dislikes Murakami has a terminal case of Can't Hang.

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I read No Country for Old Men about two weeks ago. I liked it a lot, although I think the movie is better and I never got completely comfortable with McCarthy's writing style. 90% of the time it was easy to figure out which dialogue belonged to which character or which character was doing certain actions without specification, but the 10% really irked me.


I was happy I saw the movie beforehand bc I don't think I would have found Chigurh's use of the cattle gun intimidating. Without seeing how it was portrayed in the movie, I think I would have found it stupid. I also didn't think his writing style made the coin toss gas station scene very effective, bc the dialogue in the book seemed rushed. In the movie, it was slow and imo more uncomfortable, which made it iconic.

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Part of it is that this particular book isn't as verbose when it comes to descriptions of setting as his other works (I think it was ironically supposed to be a screenplay when he first wrote it lol) which makes it harder to visualize the counter guy's face and his fear, for example

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I'm on the same boat. I feel the movie builds tension in a better, methodical way. The book is still great but the movie is a masterpiece.

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I want to read more by him but Ive heard mixed things about his fiction.

There's a line in one of his books that goes "If you can't understand it without an explanation, you can't understand it with an explanation".

That's how all his books are. He's the ultimate vibes author.

I love them.

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I'm sold then. He mentions one of his fiction novels at some point in Underground and it sounded interesting, but I don't remember the name. Something about creatures or spirits coming from underground to attack people.

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I liked no country better than BM to be honest. One of my favourite books ever.

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Im reading, or trying to read, The Divine Comedy currently.

I really wish I could read this because there's a lot in the story that resonates with me, but I know I could never get through it in a million years. There was a really good Italian documentary series about it this year. Dante: Inferno to Paradise. They went through the story and explained the context that a modern person wouldn't get. But it was only about 3 hours long. I wish someone would do that but in more detail. Make it 30 hours long.

And now I can't watch it again because there is no fricking way I'm signing up for PBS's streaming service. :marseygiveup:

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I'll check out that documentary, it'll be an interesting watch once I eventually get through it.

And now I can't watch it again because there is no fricking way I'm signing up for PBS's streaming service. :marseygiveup:

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I was reading a biography on Henry Green, got to where he wrote Blindness, realize I hadn't read it, read Blindness, and am now back in the biography

I am also reading a book of interviews of Edward Gorey. I pick it up, read one, and put it down to read something else

This about pasta from the July 1986 issue of The Atlantic. Don't even need a subscription, just click the PDF, they can't stop you

Rare & Lovely Dolls: Two Centuries of Beautiful Dolls by John Noble, and oh boy did it ever live up to its title

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Speaking of Blindness, if you haven't you should read Blindness by José Saramago, Ensaio sobre a Cegueira In Portuguese. One of my favorite books. They also made a movie adaptation but it's nowhere near as good as the book.

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Reading :marseymoreyouknow: Shattered. It's about the night :marseysamfisher: Hillary :marseytedbackstab: Clinton :marseybackstabglowie: lost the election. Obama :marseyjetbombing: had to call her to make her consneed lol

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"Chaos: Making a new science"

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I'm still in The Melkite Church at the Council and Barangay. I have a very fun post that @sneedman will recoil in fright from stemming from the latter title but I'm lazy.

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Tfw you live in a barangayless society. :marseyrain:

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The term barangay originally derives from pre-colonial Tagalog balangay (recorded as balangai by the Italian ethnographer onboard Magellan's expedition) and referred to the type of boat that Filipino mythology held had originally carried their ancestors to the islands and provided etiological meaning to the barangay political units tying families together under the leadership of a datu chieftain (which were bonds that tied regardless of geographical proximity).

During the colonial era the more familiar Spanish term barrio was used to refer to neighborhoods and it was only in the 20th century after the Americans left and Filipino's finally held political autonomy that they ad hoc changed the definition of the word to create the modern meaning. In a real sense, given that we no longer operate with datu chieftians, we all live in a barangayless society, friend. :marseysadwave2:

!linguistics @NothingWitty @Senpai I am once again asking you neighbors to join !Pinoypride for more fun facts about your origins.

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What's the modern Tagalog word for "boat"? Is it orthographically similar?

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Bangka, so shared root but no direct relationship within Tagalog itself. !linguistics

The word is believed to have been derived from the Proto-Austronesian word baŋka, which means "canoe" or "boat".

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Just started reading The Three-Body Problem (I know, a bit late to the party with this one), I'm at the part where we learn of the incoming Trisolaran invasion. I'm really digging the book so far but I still can't get over Ye replying to the warning message. I know she's nihilistic and angry at humanity for her dad's death and all the abuse she suffered and it's an act of rebellion but fricking heck, she straight up doomed her entire species to possible extinction and for what? Personal grievances? The possibility that the Trisolarans might be a peaceful civilization who will solve the chaos on Earth and all of our problems even though we just got a message from one of their own telling us to avoid contact with them? I'm enjoying the book but Ye's and Mike's characters are a bit infuriating even if I see what they're supposed to portray.

The second book is called The Dark Forest so I have an idea of where they're going with the plot so a question for dramatards. Do you think it's a good idea to make contact with alien civilizations? On that note, do you think we shouldn't have sent the golden disc within Voyager-2? Personally, I think it was an unnecessary risk even if there's almost no way an alien civilization could find us through the diagrams on the record. Thank God for whoever decided we should use pulsars as reference points. :marseysweating:

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she straight up doomed her entire species to possible extinction and for what? Personal grievances?

She's a misanthropist, I can absolutely see people like /r/antinatalism and /r/collapse regulars adhering a doomsday cult for extremely petty reasons.

On that note, do you think we shouldn't have sent the golden disc within Voyager-2?

Space is immensely big and the Voyagers are slow for interstellar travel standards. It would take 70,000 years for Voyager 1 to reach the nearest star, Proxima Centauri. Finding them by chance would be like finding a specific coca cola bottle floating in the middle of the Pacific Ocean. If some Alien civilization find us it will be because of radio signals, though even powerful radio signals dissipate so much after a few light-years to the point they become just random noise.

The thing with Aliens is that we ran with too many hypotheticals. Alien life is one thing, complex life is another (billions of years until multicellular organisms appeared on Earth). So far we're the only Intelligent species this planet produced and even then "intelligent" doesn't mean they have advanced technology, plus interstellar travel within a lifetime (say just achieve 0.1c) is insanely hard and energy consuming. It's not impossible but so unlikely we shouldn't lose sleep over it.

!spacechads

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She's a misanthropist, I can absolutely see people like /r/antinatalism and /r/collapse regulars adhering a doomsday cult for extremely petty reasons.

I genuinely hate the antinatalist crowd. Like fervent, genocidal hatred. They're the most pathetic "people" on the face of this god forsaken planet.

Space is immensely big and the Voyagers are slow for interstellar travel standards. It would take 70,000 years for Voyager 1 to reach the nearest star, Proxima Centauri. Finding them by chance would be like finding a specific coca cola bottle floating in the middle of the Pacific Ocean. If some Alien civilization find us it will be because of radio signals, though even powerful radio signals dissipate so much after a few light-years to the point they become just random noise.

The thing with Aliens is that we ran with too many hypotheticals. Alien life is one thing, complex life is another (billions of years until multicellular organisms appeared on Earth). So far we're the only Intelligent species this planet produced and even then "intelligent" doesn't mean they have advanced technology, plus interstellar travel within a lifetime (say just achieve 0.1c) is insanely hard and energy consuming. It's not impossible but so unlikely we shouldn't lose sleep over it.

Yeah I agree. I think we're safe from any kind of interstellar threat thanks to the energy problem alone. While the dark forest hypothesis is interesting I don't think that is the case that the universe is brimming with intelligent life that is too afraid to make contact. I think the Fermi Paradox and Rare Earth hypothesis are, most likely, the correct answer.

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I genuinely hate the antinatalist crowd. Like fervent, genocidal hatred. They're the most pathetic "people" on the face of this god forsaken planet.

If I was an alien species my first contact protocols would be set up to deal with people like this, so even if one of them made first contact the fleet would show up and genocide only the doomers, then make peaceful first contact with everyone else to take advantage of the goodwill generated by getting rid of all the buzzkills

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Ma'am we've been over this before. You need to stop.

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She hated communists so much she wanted to destroy the planet to get rid of them

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>replying to the warning message

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Lmao

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Do you think it's a good idea to make contact with alien civilizations?

I don't think it even matters tbh. We emit so much EM radiation that can be picked up from way out in space. We're like a bright shining beacon. Any alien civilization capable of traveling to our corner of the galaxy (or from another galaxy) can 100% find us. We're not hiding and we're not stealthy.

So I think we might as well attempt contact. If they were here to kill us, they'll do that regardless.

I haven't and won't read that book tho so maybe there's something else involved there.

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:marseyagree:

Let's say we were really lucky and found aliens 1,000 light years away. By the time we send a message and get a response humanity will have evolved into something we can't even imagine.

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he straight up doomed her entire species to possible extinction and for what? Personal grievances? The possibility that the Trisolarans might be a peaceful civilization who will solve the chaos on Earth and all of our problems even though we just got a message from one of their own telling us to avoid contact with them?

:marseywomanmoment#2:

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>I still can't get over Ye replying to the warning message. I know she's nihilistic and angry at humanity for her dad's death and all the abuse she suffered and it's an act of rebellion but fricking heck, she straight up doomed her entire species to possible extinction and for what? Personal grievances?

The most powerful message I got got from the book is that we need total and complete chink death :#marseychingchonggenocide:

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@WHIG_SHILL @kaamrev @Luna_C_Pibbles shout out to the non-brainlet litchads out here.

Daily reminder that 0 Jewish Lives Matter

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Finished All the Pretty Horses by Cormac McCarthy. KINO book. Makes me wanna marry Mexican ladies.

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I'm reading (listening to) No Country For Old Men. I like McCarthys writing but don't like his lack of punctuation. Much better to have someone else read it for me. Cool to see the differences between the book and the movie

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I've been reading this for the past 2 weeks. Some days I read 30 pages, some days I read up to 80. It's 900 pages total (excluding acknowledgements, bibliography, glossary, etc), so I'm only about halfway done. I intend to hunker down and read at least 70 pages each day to finish sometime next week :marseyreading:


It's good, though it's very dense :marseylongpost:. It details a lot of the historical context behind Kissinger's opinions and tries to show how his world view shifted throughout his life. I'm finally at the point in his life where he begins to find his own voice :marseypop2: and publish papers or articles with unique, semi-controversial opinions. For example, in the early 1950s he says "local wars" with the looming threat of nuclear force :marseymacarthur: would better subdue the Soviet Union than "containment," which he felt had proved ineffective and would lead to all out war being needed to stop the spread of communism :marseyrevolution:


I'd recommend it as long as you're genuinely interested in Kissinger and have a good attention span :marseykissinger:

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genuinely interested in Kissinger

I barely know'er! :marseystin#g:

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the camp of the saints

its like ... my origin story...

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My gf bought me one of the 500 signed copies of library at mt char from a scalper, so I'm enjoying that book again thoroughly.

Also she reads my posts; hi honey!

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Finishing up A Farewell to Alms by Gregory Clark.

Definitely a more unique ( :marseychud: ) approach to the history of economic development then most !neolibs would argue.

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i read slaughterhouse five over the weekend, i liked it alot :marseycomfy:

i didnt expect the book to mention david irving

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John Varley's Gaea Trilogy with a trickle of Don Quixote on the side.

I'm actually sorta' amazed at how well Don Quixote holds up. Like there are modern day Alonso Quijanos everywhere. Thinking about it, such people probably existed for all of human history to be honest, and there probably will be so long as there's a human race.

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>I'm surprised at how well this all time classic holds up

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I stopped reading Hyperion because it sucked. I'm currently reading Golden Son and it's decent.


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Pete the Cat: Pete at the Beach.

It's OK, but gets repetitive after the 15th time. Then comes back strong during the 20th when you've given in.

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Call of Cthulhu 7th edition, pulp cthulhu alternate character gen. I'm going to be running it for a couple of different groups starting with one of the pregen adventures then move onto Horror on the Orient express. I'm pretty excited about it like a proper nerd tbh. I love me some cthulhu mythos and strangely enough I actually enjoy running it vs playing it as a tabletop RPG.

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Mostly packing today since I'm moving into a dorm tomorrow but I'm gonna bring A Day in the Life of Ivan Denisovich with me :marseyexcited: idk what it's about but my dad got it for me bc it's one of his favorite books

Since I'll be gone for some time I was also gonna bring some more stuff. Already have A Confederacy of Dunces and Catch-22 on the list but wanna hear any recommendations you might have. Nothing that makes me homesick pls :marseysulk:

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Bible on john for a bit then back to OT

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Hamlet isn't long but its really really really hard okay.

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I got Night Shift by Stephen King a few months ago during vacation (it's a short story collection), and just read "Children of the Corn," cool idea for a plot :marseycheckem2:

I'm pretty sure they made that into a movie, anyone know if it's decent? :marseyteehee:

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Still reading the Culture series, I'm onto Surface Detail and after that it's only The Hydrogen Sonata and I'll be done. Surface Detail is probably my third and a half favorite so far, after Use of Weapons, The Player of Games, and the bits of Excession that aren't wasting time on humans... but again, "favorite" is a strong word to use for any of the books.

Look to Windward was genuinely terrible. It's entirely boring, nothing happens, and everything that does happen is immediately subverted into making no difference.

Matter is similarly pointless, and is all the worse for being an actual doorstopper of a book.

Perhaps I've been spoiled by Gene Wolfe.

What I think my main problem is is that he's created this really interesting world with all manner of things to explore, and then he spends his novels steadfastly refusing to explore the meaningful things and instead writes crappy pulp novels that didn't need the setting to begin with and frequently actively work against it because he's trying to go way down the tech levels and tell a boring politics story or a gay politics story or a r-slurred politics story and the politics are always so small and petty and meaningless in the face of a post-scarcity reality.

Also, the more of it I read the more I'm convinced Banks is a male feminist. Every single SC agent we've been introduced to is a woman with a male drone attendant to do all the heavy lifting. The women are always described physically with emphasis on the most erotic part while men don't merit anywhere near as much of an examination.

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With the Old Breed: At Peleliu and Okinawa

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Finished Sunlit Man leaving me finished with Cosmere stuff until Stormlight Archive 5 comes out in December. Looking for another shorter Fantasy series in the meantime

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Farseer trilogy. Love it.

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Abou 80% finished with Journet to the end of the Night by Celine.

I didn't like the first couple chapters but it got a lot better. Celine is amazing at describing how loathsome most people are :marseycosmopolitan:

There's also many :marseygem: quotes but it's hard to paraphrase/translate them without messing up how striking they are.

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read the house of spirits by isable allende just for how popular it was , what a fricking boring book. and thats all i have to say about that

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I just finished Southern Gods last night, overall I enjoyed it even though I'm not a big fan of cosmic horror stuff. 1940s Arkansas turned out to be a fun time and location to explore some horror stuff and it was really dark which I enjoyed, but I'm kinda iffy on the ending. That's kind of par for the course in horror though, not many really stick the landing imo.

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It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat.

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