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Earthsea, Ursula Leguin, she mogs all modern shitlib foid writers with her prose.
She is my personal literature Goddess
Starting with Tombs of Atua the 2nd book ππ in the Earth π sea saga
Also Left β Hand of Darkness > Dune
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Let's see if your chudself can stand the 2nd book
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It's postmodern neomarxist far left liberal brainwashing garbage
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I don't grasp wtf you're talking about
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The 2nd book
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Le Guin even does proto-genderspecial politics . Doesn't mean she's not one of the greats.
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Tbh they probably don't since 1 chuds don't read literature and 2 if they do don't grasp anything beyond the barest surface. Ultimately the book is about a w*man rebelling against her traditionally assigned role and winning her agency. Feminist trash. Though tbh u could also read it as escaping the Jewish femoid cult to be with a MAN the way god intended. Or maybe get angry that it's interracial BBC propaganda idk the minds of wingoids are hard to understand
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expected better of you
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I love Wizard of Earthsea. It's still one of my favourite fantasy works.
As a kid I hated Tombs of Atuan, because I was confused why we'refollowing a random girl at the start and why does it take Ged a quarter of the book to show up , but when I re-read it during the lockdowns, I liked it almost as much the first book. The setting is great, the beats of the story are just perfect and the characters are interesting. (Also I don't know about the other guy, but I didn't find it particularly woke, unless you define woke as having an important female character.)
I didn't like the third book as much - it's still good, but it's not quite as good as the first two, and I've never read anything after the third book.
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He's a teenager in the first one, an adult in the second one, and is fairly old in the third one.
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I need to read it
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I read 3 rdrama comments today, and I am bushed.
Life ain't easy being a !dramatards.
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My podcaster finished up the Book of Mormon and is going through the Pearl of Great Price and just finished the Kolob chapter.
He said it's the craziest thing he's ever heard of as a serious religious belief.
He said he could believe that God turned Jews black to invent the Indians. He said he could believe in wooden submarines full of elephants and bees crossing the ocean after the tower of Babel.
But Kolob is too crazy. He loved it.
!christians !atheists !mormons !lutherans !calvinists and I guess you too !Islam have fun with that one
You can read this for free on the official Mormon home page
https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/scriptures/pgp/abr/1?lang=eng
!macacos I'm sure it's in Pocho too
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I think the Nephites would have had that tech since they were White and Industrious and Settled unlike those darkies who wore no clothes and lived in the forest and ate raw meat.
But I'd bet it was more likely the Jaredites who were described as having chariots.
Or maybe both idk.
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Alma 20:6 and Alma 18:10, seems they both had them unless I'm misreading
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I can't be assed. You're probably right if you've got the ref.
The descriptive war chapters were the podcaster'a fave parts.
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Thoughts on the lamanites?
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They're murderers, they're male feminists and some(Anti-Nephi-Lehies), I assume, are good people
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Oh dang, what's that from?
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Y'know how Mormons believe Jews came from the Levant, made it to America, had Jesus visit, and later became Native Americans? Well the father dude who came brought with him two sons, one named Nephi and the other Laman. There were others but they aren't important. Basically Nephi is a virtuous good person whereas Laman is a non virtuous evil person. Eventually they have children, and those children follow the same virtue vs nonvirtue shtick. The Lamanites build pyramids and the Nephites are good jews. Eventually the Lamanites' skin darkens because if you have dark skin you're evil and light skin you're good. They fight a shit ton, with great million large armies (note we have never found any artifact from either). Sometimes the Lamanites are the good guys, in which case their skin lightens, and sometimes the Nephites are the bad guys, where their skin darkens. But eventually the evil Lamanites finally win, killing off all the Nephites. The last dude (son of Mormon) buries the book of mormon, a golden book in hieroglyphics of the whole story, then dies. The lamanites become indians. Later Mormons would claim that if Indians converted to Mormonism they'd become white like the nephites. !mormons !christians
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Oh I meant the pic, but that's also interesting.
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Tom Lea, he was a war artist in WW2 and I think a lot of it before this piece was pretty sanitized. Then after a specific battle he witnessed it completely changed his style, making it a lot darker, gritty, and more of that war is heck feeling.
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Make a bullet point summary of everything they believe
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Okay but over on /h/ReformationOfDrama
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Read Wallace Stegner's Mormon Country. I've shilled it here before, but it's probably the essential accessible serious work about Mormon culture and the colonization of Utah, written by an SLC gentile at a time when there were still people alive who remembered the territorial days.
People always get hung up on the Mormons' goofy beliefs and overlook how strange and interesting their history is.
In the late 19th century they convinced a bunch of native Hawaiians to move to Utah and had Hawaiian colonies established in the southern part of the state. They almost all died from disease and the winters, but holy shit what a crazy thing to agree to if all you've known is grass skirts and life in the tropics.
And their initial success in Hawaii was largely due to a ridiculously persuasive English carpetbagger whi personally convinced Brigham Young that the islands could become their second Zion and that he should be in charge. So he moved out, established a cult of personality, sold church positions for cash, and lived like a king, feasting on kalua pork and Polynesian kitty for years until some new missionaries showed up and snitched on him.
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I was Elder Price once upon a time
I AM Mormon Country
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Them neighbors believe in heaven being your own planet lmao.
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https://rdrama.net/post/178659/when-ann-frank-got-dunked-on
Here's a full explanation in cartoon form
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Sorta, but lacking in specificity.
as children of Heavenly Father and Heavenly Mother, we are meant to grow up and eventually be like our parents and do what they did
sidebar !Mormons used to explicitly mention both parents in their Sunday school lesson manual before 2000, until they kicked Mom down the well like The Ring. They switched the verbiage to just singular Heavenly Father. "He and She" became "He." "They created us" became "He created us."
Still the goal is that you eventually get to create your own universe, not your own planet.
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Holy moly does this count as Polytheism?
Is... Is Mormonism just a spiritual multi-level market scheme?
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I have made these statement aloud decades ago, and this is me being a former believer.
You can make your own call for Polytheism if you want to. The classical Polytheism is that there are several city-states who each worship their own local God, and somehow a region creates a pantheon, and the primacy of the Father-God emerged and sometimes changes.
!Mormons are explicitly non-Trinitarians.
Elohim (God The Father) is The Father that Jesus always prays and refers to
Jehovah is Pre-Birth Jesus, who is also the God of the Old Testament, who also calls himself The Father and The Son Who Are One God, but according to Mormons they are totally separate beings.
The Holy Ghost, also a full God, but through a contradiction of how Mormons define Gods, cannot be a God.
A God is a formal mortal who started off as a spirit who was sent to a planet to inhabit a body, went through life and overcame trials, repented of sins, and ultimately was chosen to become a full God like his/her Father God.
The Holy Ghost doesn't have a body but is considered a God like Jesus but doesn't meet the requirements, so just shut up about it.
To answer your questions:
1. It's not standard Polytheism, but rather its own flavor.
2. Yes, it is a multi-level-marketing aka pyramid scheme. Of which 90% originate in Utah. But also -- !Christians take note -- this changes the paradigm of going to heaven from an individual event to a team sport. That is to say, if your parents, spouse, or children ever decide to not be Mormon anymore, it ruins your ability to get into Top Mormon Heaven and become a God according to the rules.
You won't have the ability to drown the entire human race and puppies that you created in a fit of anger that you knew was going to happen anyway and could have prevented from happening if you were just a little bit more omniscient. !atheists
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They also don't like to talk about the whole your own universe, but will mention it begrudgingly if you ask, same with the Heavenly Mother shtick. They just make it seem super reverent and that we don't know her name because we shouldn't talk about her just PLEASE SHUT UP ABOUT HER.
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I saw the musical recently and I like how 3 of the funny musical numbers are just "this is what Mormons actually believe"
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Those are all great gags, but the most important song of the play is "Sal Tlay Kasiti" when the girl sings about a magical world where everything is perfect.
The song reveals the limits of her imagination that the best she can perceive isn't a palace, but a hut thatched with gold.
She can't imagine a world without warlords. They exist, but they are nice!
There isn't a cure for all diseases, but there's a Red Cross on every corner.
It's actually pretty dark when you consider how ancient religions perceived heaven to their own cultural limitations.
As a former missionary, I could laugh at the obvious, but had to be ashamed at the implications.
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It's why the musical works. It's funny on the surface but a lot of the jokes cut really deep. Someone singing about the utopia of salt lake city is funny at first until you pay attention to what she's saying. Making It Up Again is similar, he has to operate within the confines of how awful life is for them, they can't r*pe babies they have to r*pe frogs instead.
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I have a BOM Musical hat and a r*pe frog plush toy from when I went.
I guess the converse would be "Has a Diga Eebowai" when the Ugandans are complaining about their problems -- warlords, famine, forced female circumcision, AIDS -- and the missionaries are trying to relate about the plane being crowded and the bus being late.
It was a double layer "buddy film" -- devout missionary vs idiot missionary, suburban Utahns vs Ugandans.
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Name of the podcast btw?
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tailoring volume 3
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!metashit,
@coned is a tailor!
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Why does this marsey exist
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It's for
@Sphereserf3232 or some other sperg.
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Pelagius, that Augustine neighbor burning in heck rn fr
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!catholics
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I'm skimming through this book called "Composing Cyber Space" by Richard Holeton, though I think its actually by a variety of authors. Its from 1997 and about the internet and where it will take us in the future. I find it greatly enjoyable to see what people thought of the internet almost 3 decades ago and what they thought it would become. Perhaps one might consider this zoomer appropriation of boomer culture or something idk but
its funny 
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I'm a quarter through Toole's Confederacy of Dunces. I'm not even sure how this ingenious novel has passed me by for so many years. It is truly magnificent. I do, however, have to mention that all specific 'Murica references are actually passing me by. Whatever.
I had to give up on Houllebecq's novels in French. I'll probably never be able to comprehend French books in their intended nature - which quite honestly is a bummer. I got two of them in German and that will most likely be my next project.
Also (
@lfyca), I finished the first Malazan novel (Gardens of the Moon), and while I wasn't blown away by the book, I can already see how the series is different from the uninspired fantasy novels of today. I've already ordered the second and the third books of the series and will eventually get to them. The thing is, I like to maintain lists of vocabulary I didn't know, or rather, words that I couldn't instantly translate. I'm not talking about knowing the meaning of the word in the right context, but rather their actual translation. I do get very lazy when it comes to this and I've stumbled upon me quickly reading through a passage pretending that I was able to translate everything accurately. For example, for any ESLcels bothering to read my pointless drivel , consternation, trepidation and dismay have similar meanings but aren't the exact same words. As such, I've started to learn vocabulary again and the amount of words is ... overwhelming - and given that fantasy authors love to show their intelligence by using archaic terms only found within useless paragraphs about the description of girders, I think it's going to take me a long time.
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Confederacy of Dunces is great! I should read it again. How he describes the scene of him master acting is weird and hilarious. New Orleans also has a little statue of O'Toole too.
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Yeah Malazan is infamous for that. I'd like say it gets better, but every book just introduces more and more lore and it's quite hard to keep track of.
Anyway, the first book is the weakest of the series IMO (at least the ones I've read).
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Potsherds
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I like Confederacy of Dunces, slowly going through it. I like the proto neurodivergent trad catholic
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The Mercy of Gods from the Expanse authors. Pretty okay. Very different from the Expanse. Had fun. Also the five digits are very clearly...
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The stranger by Camus
Yes I did hate that Algerian lady who came on to me.
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Is this the
library moment?
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I've made it through 7 chapters of Huckleberry Finn in maybe 2 months. Really haven't had the time to read much. It's delightful though.
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"GHOSTS could be here" he thought, "I've never been in this neighborhood before. There could be SKELETONS anywhere." The cool wind felt good against his bare chest. "I HATE GOBLINS" he thought. Sweet Dreams are Made of These reverberated his entire car, making it pulsate even as the $9 wine circulated through his powerful thick veins and washed away his (merited) fear of SPOOKS after dark. "With a car, you can go anywhere you want" he said to himself, out loud.
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about 400 pages into mason & dixon
think i prefer it over gravity's rainbow
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I recently realized I never read Kundera's "The Unbearable Lightness of Being" so I got that from library.
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finished Convenience Store Woman, which was hilarious at times and overall a pretty unique novel.
also read Three Days of Happiness which although I liked suffered from weak characterisation
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grapes of wrath he makes a story of some random family a century ago so intriguing
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It's very
. People raged about it, and it's required reading in a lot of American high schools, so I gave it a try, finished it, and was 
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why was it controversial? its politics are very lukewarm.
i like it because of the slang
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What's it about
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a family in oklahoma forced off their land (which they had to mortgage to a bank), traveling to california. a historical event apparently. idk if they make it i havent finished yet but i hope they do
the writing is very straightforward i can see why this would be popular in schools
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Migrant laborers during the Great Depression in the States with a couple Christ allegories thrown in. I like Steinbeck. East of Eden Is his best work, burgers generally consider him to be one of the most important Anglosphere authors of the 20th century. Grapes of Wrath and The Pearl are in nearly 100% of K-12 curriculums.
Politics are pro-labor, which should be expected coming from an author in that era.
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East of eden is bully cuck fiction. Crazy you'd admit you like that in public.
Really great prose though, the guy could make a place come to life.
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Finished Night Film and really enjoyed it, I think I have a thing for haunted/cult media books. Had me intrigued the whole time, and the climax was a lot of fun. Idk how to grade endings, I thought it was okay but I can see how some people wouldn't like it.
Started the Torment of Rachel Ames and put it down 2 chapters in, just didn't care and the main character was a b-word.
A ways into Relics, was looking for a spooky book but this one is more of a thriller/suspense and I didn't realize that until a couple chapters in. It keeps making me interested and then making me not care. It's got some really cool stuff and some stuff I couldn't care less about. I'll probably stick it out til the end but, if this was what I was looking for maybe I'd be more invested.
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I just looked Night Film up. Did you use the 'night film decoder' or whatever it is? If so, did you like it?
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I didn't even know that was a thing until just now, I think on a reread I would definitely use it, but it wasn't necessary for the story itself.
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groyp
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On a tom wolf kick. Just finished radical chic and maumauing the flack catchers. About halfway done with bonfire
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Finished enders game spectacular book highly recommend, probably the only book that made me almost cry, honestly I'm upset at myself for not reading it earlier because i thought it was YA slop. Are the sequel books any good?
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I've been gaining my pseud cred by reading Infinite Jest. Only about 300 pages left. It's a masterpiece, which I'd recommend to anyone. I'm curious what others here think of it?
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The Kind Folk by Ramsey Campbell.
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