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Scientists and ethicists debate the hard questions - "Is it ethical to cure cancer?"

https://x.com/cremieuxrecueil/status/1855182600093995139

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-024-03647-0

In choosing to self-experiment, Halassy joins a long line of scientists who have participated in this under-the-radar, stigmatized and ethically fraught practice. "It took a brave editor to publish the report," says Halassy.

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  • Fresh_Start : Ethics is a politically captured group Changemymind.

Ethicists consider near birth abortions, vax mandates, and :marseytrain2:ing kids ethical but curing cancer isn't

So !chuds the real question is "Is it ethical to throw ethicists into the ocean from helicopters?" :#marseythonk:

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"Is it ethical to throw ethicists into the ocean from helicopters?"

No, you're wasting too much taxpayer money on fuel in your messaging. It would be much more efficient to spend 3¢ - 10¢ per bullet.

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Nigruh where are you getting bullets for 3¢, send me the link

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idk, I just used google, we don't get to play with guns in beaverland

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U gotta buy in bulk

https://i.rdrama.net/images/17035381209726467.webp

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We should cram all ethicists, psychiatrists and management consultants onto a spaceship and send them into space.

That way they can be secluded from all the noise, and can gestate into the best society for human kind.

!grillers do you agree?

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Don't forget the lawyers

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https://media.tenor.com/e9B65tiyL5YAAAAM/simpsons-bart.gif

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management consultants

How about I make you a white paper on how to do that efficently for 500k?

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it would be a lot cheaper to put them in cargo containers and drop 'em in the ocean. It's secluded and quiet there, too.

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The centrist ideology is basically

fml what a long todo list

  • put toxic waste in ocean trench
  • find a place for the r-slurs
  • mow the lawn

:#grillmastertalking: :!#marseyhankhill: :#marseytrumpgrill:

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Ethicists are r-slurredly deontological and would rather kill millions than recognize consequentialist value.

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Ethicists have strong arguments for their positions. Maybe you should engage with those instead of spewing vapid polemics. What happened to the "facts and logic" your kind supposedly holds so dear?

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https://blog.apaonline.org/2019/12/10/why-arent-ethicists-more-ethical/

Schwitzgebel looks at indicators that are common and easy to quantify, such as how often someone calls their mother, whether they return library books on time, and so on. So far he has found no evidence that ethics professors-people who study, teach, and write about ethics for a living-are any better than the average person. Other researchers have confirmed this finding.

ok bucko

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You call yourself ethical yet you didnt call your mother yesterday.

Curious :#marseyshapiro:

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this, but unironically. Call your mother, dramatards :marseygossipblush: :marseybabushka:

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I called your mother a fat b-word the other day :scoot:

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whether they return library books on time

I have probably forgotten to return hundreds of nearly unused library books over the years

What? Is D'Vontreous just patiently waiting to read them?

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You cannot imagine the damage you've done by denying access to the library's copy or "Critique of Pure Reason"

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Completely besides the point. Failure to act morally and knowing good arguments for what's moral are different.

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>not pooping on the floor vs knowing good arguments for what's pooping on the floor.

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Ethicists have strong arguments for their positions.

lol no.

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You wouldn't know because you've never read any ethics.

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I've read Kant, Nietzsche, a little Hegel, Rawls, a bunch of ancient Greeks, Aquinas, Hume, Hobbes, Locke, Laozi, Pascal, even Marx (the idiot), a little Rousseau, Kierkegaard, a little Habermas (idiot), Searle (meh),..

Which ones do you think are most relevant here?

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You don't think they made good arguments? You might not have understood them. And you haven't read any contemporary academic ethics?

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I haven't seen them make any good arguments for why it is evil to risk your own health in order to prevent your own death.

I've seen lackeys for the pharma industry and bureaucrats whose job title is something with ethics say that, but I wouldn't call what they said "good arguments."

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Then maybe you should look for the people who made the arguments for the position you are ridiculing?

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this post is about that, if you're thinking about some other ethics topic the whole time, you should probably mention it.

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Fact: killing a cancer is good.

Fact: ethicists are a social cancer.

Logic: killing ethicists is good.

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:marseyhmmm: what about cyberbullying them

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Strong arguments in this case of course, refers not to real arguments but arbitrary personal ethics

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Obviously wrong, ethics is all about making strong arguments.

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Okay, do you have any books on ethics we should read to enlighten ourselves?

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Introductory level textbooks, I suppose.

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into active volcanoes might be more ethical

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https://media.tenor.com/Jo942ip_c9UAAAAx/captain-falcon-smash.webp

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I read on reddit yesterday that near birth abortions is a maga brainwash narrative and it never happens and no one would do that

multiple people were saying this angrilly, as if they were trying to "ratio" another commenter

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no, because that's too fast and not painful enough

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