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:marseysaluteussr: Bank Run Ocurring in Russia :marseysaluteussr:

https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1607153592481505281

Twitter is getting flooded with images and videos of it over the last few days. Merry Christmas lmao

https://twitter.com/hashtag/BankRun

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But... but... the Ukranians want to negotiate for peace.

We're totally winning.

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My favorite copium is "Russia isn't fighting Ukraine, it's fighting a NATO army." The Ukies don't have a single NATO-made main battle tank, their Air Force has maybe gotten 20 "new" second-hand MiGs from Slovakia and Poland since the war started, and they sank the Moskva with some shitty homemade anti-ship missile. Until the M-777s and HIMARS began arriving in the summer, their only Western-made weapons were small arms, Javelins, MANPADs, and mediocre Turkish drones. Russia is losing a war to its second-hand army.

Even if Ukraine were fielding M1A2s and F-16s, Russia's military was meant to be able to go up against that stuff, which it clearly hasn't. By any measure, Russia's performance has been embarrassing.

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Why would they give them tanks and shit they have no idea how to use? Do you think they have some kind of airforce or satellites they use for intelligence or something? It's pretty obvious without nato they would be fricked.

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They still have an airforce. I have no idea how at this point, but it's still able to mount operations. But you're right, NATO's most important contribution has arguably been intel.

The "ghost of Kyiv" thing took off because Russia's first-day losses were so wild. Of course, the logical explanation was that Ukraine knew where the Russians were thanks to US intel. But people are r-slurred and neurodivergent.

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Russia has fricked it since the beginning but it's just silly to pretend nato isn't heavily involved in all of this. The fact that they can hit targets they can't see with American artillery should make it obvious.

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It's also silly to pretend that NATO didn't buff Ukraine up enough to be sorta self-sufficient before this though. A lot of its spotting is possible because it invested in UAVs before the war started. Know where Ukraine bought its drones? From a certain member of NATO. :marseyturkroach:

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Joke I heard in Lviv:

Q: How goes the war between Russia and NATO?

A: Well, Russia has lost 70,000 soldiers, and NATO hasn't shown up.

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Lucky for the Russians, I suppose, is that it's very unlikely the Ukrainians could field F-16s or any other western combat aircraft, at least not in the short to medium term. Supply is therefore limited to any warehoused Migs or Sukhois the former Warsaw Pact has in storage.

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Highly unlikely. What's even less likely is that the Ukies could field M1s. Those tanks are radically different from everything in the former Warsaw Pact. There's zero interchangeability of parts. The Abrams needs a 4-man crew while every tank that Ukraine has needs 3. They're meant to be used differently. Any of the T-whatever tanks are meant to avoid getting hit. An Abrams is meant to take hits.

You might already know this, but someone else might learn something: the 3-man crews are related to why Russian tanks lose their turrets when they get hit. To make the hull smaller, the Soviet designers did away with the loader and automated the job, storing the ammunition in a circle around the turret (a bit like one of those old-school machine guns with a round drum). This did make the tanks smaller and harder to hit. But it also meant that they couldn't build the failsafes that an Abrams has for ammunition, so if the tank does get hit, the entire magazine detonates and blows the turret off.

It also only makes the tanks harder to hit for other tanks, which need a clear line of sight on the sides. Javelins don't have that limitation. So in a world where ATGMs exist, the only thing that the auto-loader accomplishes is that when a tank gets got, it's 3 men dying instead of 4.

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>My favorite copium is "Russia isn't fighting Ukraine, it's fighting a NATO army."

>Javelins don't have that limitation. So in a world where ATGMs exist, the only thing that the auto-loader accomplishes is that when a tank gets got, it's 3 men dying instead of 4.

:#marseyhmm:

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I don't know what you said, because I've seen another human naked.

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NLAWs were what stopped the initial push, that's shit was important.

They're not fighting NATOs army, they are fighting NATOs tech* (gear they are willing to risk being captured, ie not actually cutting edge)

*leaving the (I'm sure for the chineze) pants poopingly terrifying EW and Intel help

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