The new name puts a focus on inclusivity. Krone told The Associated Press that they wanted a name going forward that made clear that all children and teens are “very, very welcome.”
He added that when people question why the organization needs a new name, he points to historically low membership numbers.
Like other organizations, the scouts lost members during the pandemic, when participation was difficult. The high point over the past decade was in 2018, when there were more than 2 million members. Currently, the organization serves just over 1 million young people, including more than 176,000 girls and teens. Membership peaked in 1972 at almost 5 million.
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I thought the name for the sake of advertising to the nonces not for the children
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In the UK do they have the Bong Scouts?
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Yes but the scouts are given spoons rather than knifes because they are less dangerous.
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IMO there's three reasons. You mentioned two (coof and “policy changes”), but another is the declining interest in scout-y activities among boys. Less interest in hiking, knot making, camping, etc. Not to mention hanging out with other people (coof related but also technology related).
My last reason, if valid, is kinda sad. Hopefully there's a renewed interest, but this time through Trail Life USA.
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My kids are in scouts and I'm a leader and council member. A huge part of it is fricking old people, they just won't fricking quit and it drives so many people away. They absolutely refuse to change with the times and all think it's fricking 1960 still. They won't do anything new or anything that kids born after like 1980 would find interesting. Like our leaders want to do shit like drive 8 hours to go to Silver Dollar City because they think kids find watching an old man whittling a lawn gnome fun. It causes anyone not being raised by people in their 70s to quit after a year. A bunch of these old dudes don't even have kids in scouts anymore and their grandchildren don't want shit to do with it, they shut down pretty much everything suggested by someone under 50 and then act surprised when they stop helping as leaders. Then these dudes hit the point they have to retire and there's no leaders left and the troop folds. We've absorbed 4 other towns troops in the last 2 years.
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Just take them to shoot guns, that's a fun, timeless activity
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Actually for the first time in years the last regional jamboree was just shotguns, rifles, and archery. $40 bucks for like 20 shells, a box of .22s and all the archery you wanted. But my kid had a softball tournament
. First campout I missed in two years and it was the best so far.
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Darn that sucks. Paintballing would also be cool, people that take it seriously are strags but it's fun as frick with friends. Kids would have an absolute blast with it
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Not allowed, I looked into it. You can't launch shit or shoot at each other. Especially if somethings called a gun or alludes to violence. We had to rename the Boy/Cub Water War squirt gun fight to The annual Water Spraying Contest. You aren't even allowed to point wood props at each other, we host a civil war thing and a dude from the regional council demanded they point the wood props in the air when they shout bang.
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Jesus, can you just start a group with these ppl on your own and call it some other kind of club?
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Well you can just declare the event/campout over and then do shit. Like the annual cub scout bowling trip ends after 2 rounds, then we just keep going but with beer. I live somewhere pretty small so most of are friends anyway.
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I was a Scout within the past decade and this is true. The troop-level leadership was mostly dudes who actually had sons who were part of things, but the guy who had the charter was like 70 with no kids under the age of 20. The troop actually just folded this year
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Our charter is through a Rotary/Lions/ Optimists Club kind of place but they're down to 4 old guys themselves. They're about to see if they can merge with one of the other groups.
It's really a shame how community involvement is dwindling, and covid made it so much worse. But what really gets me is how many people b-word about groups like these on Facebook when I know how they aren't doing shit themselves. Like if I have someone demand to know why we don't do a chili feed anymore I'm going to fricking punch them, it was literally just two of us doing everything.
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Interesting and unique take. Thanks for sharing.
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People spend less time in the outdoors in general and if you go "camping" nowadays you don't have to lift a finger
Only weirdos camp in tents, and even fully serviced camp washrooms are considered roughing it to burgers
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Wrong. Wow literally everything in this post is wrong. stay in your gay cities, urbancel. Camping owns
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Shoulda been a fat chad doing the same pose.
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Primitive camping owns. Making fire owns
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I do not want to RETVRN
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BIPOC I see ppl out here every day. It ain't just glampers here
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Good God no, I live in New Hampshire r-slur
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I do the casual camping with a travel trailer, more or less an excuse to grill and read my books.
Unfortunately the campground has this really fricking obnoxious "drunk train", a lawn tractor pulling a trailer that people drink on.
It'd be fine if they didn't do constant loops, blasting goddarn sirens until midnight.
I really wish my mom would find a new campground to park the camper at, so on the final night I could drive a constant circle, blasting the car horn.
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This seems like a nightmare to me. Just stay home bro
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Seriously. The owners love it. They sell cups and tshirts with a picture of the drunk train on it. It's their "thing".
I've never had a stronger urge to physically batter an elderly man before encountering this campground.
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Do you have to go?? I never understood people going "camping" at trailer parks. It's like a white trash suburb with no plumbing. Why?
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No, I'm an adult. It's mom's camper but my wife and i will use it. My parents bought it a couple months before my dad passed away, so mom likes seeing it actually be used.
It's something to do away from home, out in the woods. Saturday activities like kayaking or tubing, then dinner on the lake. Spend the evening reading a book in front of the fire.
When it's time to go to bed or if it starts raining, the camper has a queen bed, TV, and full bathroom.
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I will never understand the appeal
I hope u have fun tho
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I'm hazarding a fourth reason. Helicopter moms were encroaching on the Boy Scouts for a long time, and the decision to welcome girls probably threw the helicopter mom hangars wide open, thus ensuring all fun is safely snuffed out
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Nah, the moms generally don't want their kids to be fricking kitties. Its old people, and there's always some rule following neurodivergent stick in the mud killjoy. Like if we host a game night they'll cockblock any game rated higher than E10. Or will complain because your not even supposed to have like wood prop guns and say bang at each other.
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Where do you live that there aren't tons of helicopter moms that think swiss army knives are too dangerous?
Also what boy scout troop has so many old people? I thought it mostly parent volunteers
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Rural Kansas, farm moms generally arent terribly soft. And it's any volunteers, you don't have to have a kid in or be a former scout or anything. It's mostly parents for obvious reasons, and generally the old people were parents and just won't fricking quit.
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My troop had to ban women from trips to get the helicoptering under control
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Urbancel?
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Didn't know ruralcels had it so different
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I did Indian Guides with my dad and other dad's and sons in the neighborhood as a kid and it was a fricking blast. We'd get away from our moms, the dad's would just get shitfaced around the campfire and we'd run wild all weekend. Some of my best memories as a kid were those trips.
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I absolutely do not see declining interest in traditional outdoor scout activities here but it could be regional
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Neither, 2018 was the year they started letting girls in.
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The libertarian scandal stuff was closer to like 2010-2014 wasn't it? I dont remember when it blew up but it was sooner than 2018 i think
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Mormons splintered after the homos were allowed in
https://www.hurley-law.com/chicago-injury-lawyers/how-the-mormon-church-and-the-boy-scouts-of-america-are-linked/
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Zoomers don't go outside
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From someone who was part of it while it was dying:
1. Demographics. There are less Gen Alphas than zoomers and less zoomers than millenials and less millenials than xoomers and less xoomers than boomers. There aren't that many young people.
2. Becoming more obscure. Back in ye olden days, troops would be chartered by schools, so you would join your school's troop. At some point that became against the rules (or law?) so now churches charter troops, so it's mostly only church kids become Boy Scouts. Church is getting less and less popular as well.
3. The Mormons left. This happened in 2018, and is likely why the numbers dropped so hard since then. Mormons made up a huge amount of Boy Scouts, which is the one redeeming quality of Mormons. When the Boy Scouts started letting girls in, the Mormons severed all ties with the Boy Scouts and forbid their youth from joining.
4. Zoomers be gay. Let's face it, zoom-moids would rather watch titty streamers and play Fortnite then go out camping and shooting guns.
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Soon scout masters will be fricking little girls too
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https://www.news-journalonline.com/story/news/crime/2023/12/08/florida-scout-leader-accused-of-molesting-14-year-old-girl-in-troop/71850840007/
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Trans lives matter
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I'm an Eagle Scout with St George emblem and Pope Pius XII emblem and the degeneration of the boy scouts nationally has been awful to see, though regularly at work I give tours, hikes and ecology, botany and biology lessons to Boy Scout troops that come to our ranger station so they can earn a badge and it is great to see youth engaged in the outdoors.
I will say one thing for zoomers, zoomer scouts fricking love survival courses and overnight bush craft survival trips. I think it's because of them video games
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Good for you keeping the kiddos active
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TR said we must keep our youth fit for the outdoors as the greatest nation it is our duty to be stewards of our great wilds and to train the next generation.
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Godbless Teddy. I shall touch grass in his honor.
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I'm an Eagle Scout with Pope Pius XII also! My whole Boy Scouts career was really somber. I felt like I was getting in right before the end, that the good times were long gone. When I was SPL and doing my Eagle Scout project, it felt weird knowing that many of the guys I was leading & teaching wouldn't have a younger generation of their own to mentor.
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Snapshots:
https://www.newsday.com/news/nation/boy-scouts-new-name-scouting-america-d58730:
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They're probs only bankrupt because they aren't shameless cookie grifters.
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Soyscouting online
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Do you have your Groomercord badge?
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I'm not like you MAPs
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This commentary is from an essay published in St. Nicholas, May, 1900
Theodore Roosevelt
Theodore Roosevelt (1858–1919)
OF COURSE what we have a right to expect of the American boy is that he shall turn out to be a good American man. Now, the chances are strong that he won't be much of a man unless he is a good deal of a boy. He must not be a coward or a weakling, a bully, a shirk, or a prig. He must work hard and play hard. He must be clean-minded and clean-lived, and able to hold his own under all circumstances and against all comers. It is only on these conditions that he will grow into the kind of American man of whom America can be really proud.
There are always in life countless tendencies for good and for evil, and each succeeding generation sees some of these tendencies strengthened and some weakened; nor is it by any means always, alas! that the tendencies for evil are weakened and those for good strengthened. But during the last few decades there certainly have been some notable changes for good in boy life. The great growth in the love of athletic sports, for instance, while fraught with danger if it becomes one-sided and unhealthy, has beyond all question had an excellent effect in increased manliness. Forty or fifty years ago the writer on American morals was sure to deplore the effeminacy and luxury of young Americans who were born of rich parents. The boy who was well off then, especially in the big Eastern cities, lived too luxuriously, took to billiards as his chief innocent recreation, and felt small shame in his inability to take part in rough pastimes and field-sports. Nowadays, whatever other faults the son of rich parents may tend to develop, he is at least forced by the opinion of all his associates of his own age to bear himself well in manly exercises and to develop his body—and therefore, to a certain extent, his character—in the rough sports which call for pluck, endurance, and physical address.
Of course boys who live under such fortunate conditions that they have to do either a good deal of outdoor work or a good deal of what might be called natural outdoor play do not need this athletic development. In the Civil War the soldiers who came from the prairie and the backwoods and the rugged farms where stumps still dotted the clearings, and who had learned to ride in their infancy, to shoot as soon as they could handle a rifle, and to camp out whenever they got the chance, were better fitted for military work than any set of mere school or college athletes could possibly be. Moreover, to mis-estimate athletics is equally bad whether their importance is magnified or minimized. The Greeks were famous athletes, and as long as their athletic training had a normal place in their lives, it was a good thing. But it was a very bad thing when they kept up their athletic games while letting the stern qualities of soldiership and statesmanship sink into disuse. Some of the younger readers of this book will certainly sometime read the famous letters of the younger Pliny, a Roman who wrote, with what seems to us a curiously modern touch, in the first century of the present era. His correspondence with the Emperor Trajan is particularly interesting; and not the least noteworthy thing in it is the tone of contempt with which he speaks of the Greek athletic sports, treating them as the diversions of an unwarlike people which it was safe to encourage in order to keep the Greeks from turning into anything formidable. So at one time the Persian kings had to forbid polo, because soldiers neglected their proper duties for the fascinations of the game. We cannot expect the best work from soldiers who have carried to an unhealthy extreme the sports and pastimes which would be healthy if indulged in with moderation, and have neglected to learn as they should the business of their profession. A soldier needs to know how to shoot and take cover and shift for himself—not to box or play foot-ball.
There is, of course, always the risk of thus mistaking means for ends. Fox-hunting is a first-class sport; but one of the most absurd things in real life is to note the bated breath with which certain excellent fox-hunters, otherwise of quite healthy minds, speak of this admirable but not over-important pastime. They tend to make it almost as much of a fetish as, in the last century, the French and German nobles made the chase of the stag, when they carried hunting and game-preserving to a point which was ruinous to the national life. Fox-hunting is very good as a pastime, but it is about as poor a business as can be followed by any man of intelligence. Certain writers about it are fond of quoting the anecdote of a fox-hunter who, in the days of the English civil war, was discovered pursuing his favorite sport just before a great battle between the Cavaliers and the Puritans, and right between their lines as they came together. These writers apparently consider it a merit in this man that when his country was in a death-grapple, instead of taking arms and hurrying to the defense of the cause he believed right, he should placidly have gone about his usual sports. Of course, in reality the chief serious use of fox-hunting is to encourage manliness and vigor, and to keep men hardy, so that at need they can show themselves fit to take part in work or strife for their native land. When a man so far confuses ends and means as to think that fox-hunting, or polo, or foot-ball, or whatever else the sport may be, is to be itself taken as the end, instead of as the mere means of preparation to do work that counts when the time arises, when the occasion calls—why, that manhad better abandon sport altogether.
No boy can afford to neglect his work, and with a boy work, as a rule, means study. Of course there are occasionally brilliant successes in life where the man has been worthless as a student when a boy. To take these exceptions as examples would be as unsafe as it would be to advocate blindness because some blind men have won undying honor by triumphing over their physical infirmity and accomplishing great results in the world. I am no advocate of senseless and excessive cramming in studies, but a boy should work, and should work hard, at his lessons—in the first place, for the sake of what he will learn, and in the next place, for the sake of the effect upon his own character of resolutely settling down to learn it. Shiftlessness, slackness, indifference in studying, are almost certain to mean inability to get on in other walks of life. Of course, as a boy grows older it is a good thing if he can shape his studies in the direction toward which he has a natural bent; but whether he can do this or not, he must put his whole heart into them. I do not believe in mischief-doing in school hours, or in the kind of animal spirits that results in making bad scholars; and I believe that those boys who take part in rough, hard play outside of school will not find any need for horse-play in school. While they study they should study just as hard as they play foot-ball in a match game. It is wise to obey the homely old adage, "Work while you work; play while you play."
A boy needs both physical and moral courage. Neither can take the place of the other. When boys become men they will find out that there are some soldiers very brave in the field who have proved timid and worthless as politicians, and some politicians who show an entire readiness to take chances and assume responsibilities in civil affairs, but who lack the fighting edge when opposed to physical danger. In each case, with soldiers and politicians alike, there is but half a virtue. The possession of the courage of the soldier does not excuse the lack of courage in the statesman and, even less does the possession of the courage of the statesman excuse shrinking on the field of battle. Now, this is all just as true of boys. A coward who will take a blow without returning it is a contemptible creature; but, after all, he is hardly as contemptible as the boy who dares not stand up for what he deems right against the sneers of his companions who are themselves wrong. Ridicule is one of the favorite weapons of wickedness, and it is sometimes incomprehensible how good and brave boys will be influenced for evil by the jeers of associates who have no one quality that calls for respect, but who affect to laugh at the very traits which ought to be peculiarly the cause for pride.
There is no need to be a prig. There is no need for a boy to preach about his own good conduct and virtue. If he does he will make himself offensive and ridiculous. But there is urgent need that he should practise decency; that he should be clean and straight, honest and truthful, gentle and tender, as well as brave. If he can once get to a proper understanding of things, he will have a far more hearty contempt for the boy who has begun a course of feeble dissipation, or who is untruthful, or mean, or dishonest, or cruel, than this boy and his fellows can possibly, in return, feel for him. The very fact that the boy should be manly and able to hold his own, that he should be ashamed to submit to bullying without instant retaliation, should, in return, make him abhor any form of bullying, cruelty, or brutality.
There are two delightful books, Thomas Hughes's "Tom Brown at Rugby," and Aldrich's "Story of a Bad Boy," which I hope every boy still reads; and I think American boys will always feel more in sympathy with Aldrich's story, because there is in it none of the stragging, and the bullying which goes with stragging, the account of which, and the acceptance of which, always puzzle an American admirer of Tom Brown.
There is the same contrast between two stories of Kipling's. One, called "Captains Co
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Are you a goody good boy?
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Yes sir, i was a boy scout.
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